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    Post by Batman Wed Oct 10, 2007 8:25 pm

    Which League in Europe

    has the...
    best managers
    best goalkeepers
    best defenders
    best midfielders
    best strikers
    best players under 23
    best players over 31
    most tactical variety
    most cheats/divers
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    Post by Fey Wed Oct 10, 2007 8:38 pm

    best managers-Italy
    best goalkeepers-Germany
    best defenders-Italy
    best midfielders-Spain
    best strikers-Spain
    best players under 23-Portugal
    best players over 31-Holland
    most tactical variety-Holland
    most cheats/divers-England
    worst referees-Every League!! Its getting a real problem

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    most predictable-This year Germany! Otherwise Italy
    least predictable- Holland
    most entertaining-Holland of course, mental league ok
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    Post by fcb Wed Oct 10, 2007 8:49 pm

    best managers - italy
    best goalkeepers - italy
    best defenders - england
    best midfielders - spain
    best strikers - spain
    best players under 23 - england (because of all the stolen foreign kids...in terms of homegrown only, portugal)
    best players over 31 - italy (thanks to milan Razz )
    most tactical variety - holland
    most cheats/divers - spain
    worst referees - spain (but i agree with Fey, it's getting worse everywhere)

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    most predictable - french
    least predictable - italy
    most entertaining - germany
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    Post by Tweesus Wed Oct 10, 2007 8:53 pm

    best managers - EPL
    best goalkeepers - EPL
    best defenders - EPL
    best midfielders - La Liga
    best strikers - La Liga
    best players under 23 - La Liga
    best players over 31 - Serie A
    most tactical variety - Serie A
    most cheats/divers - La Liga
    worst referees - La Liga
    most predictable - Bundesliga
    least predictable - Eredivisie
    most entertaining - Bundesliga
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    Post by The-Frank-Tavern Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:01 pm

    best managers - EPL
    best goalkeepers - Italy
    best defenders - Italy
    best midfielders - Spain
    best strikers - Spain
    best players under 23 - Portugal
    best players over 31 - Italy
    most tactical variety - Holland
    most cheats/divers- England
    worst referees - all agree with fey

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    most predictable - england
    least predictable - france
    most entertaining - germany
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    Post by bluenine Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:08 pm

    best managers - Italy
    best goalkeepers - Spain
    best defenders - England
    best midfielders - Spain
    best strikers - Italy/Spain
    best players under 23 - Portugal/Holland
    best players over 31 - not sure, Italy perhaps
    most tactical variety - Italy
    most cheats/divers - Spain
    worst referees - not sure, there are problems everywhere
    most predictable - French
    least predictable - Italy (except last season Cool )
    most entertaining - depends on taste
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    Post by fcb Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:18 pm

    bluenine wrote:best managers - Italy
    best goalkeepers - Spain
    best defenders - England
    best midfielders - Spain
    best strikers - Italy/Spain
    best players under 23 - Portugal/Holland
    best players over 31 - not sure, Italy perhaps
    most tactical variety - Italy
    most cheats/divers - Spain
    worst referees - not sure, there are problems everywhere
    most predictable - French
    least predictable - Italy (except last season Cool )
    most entertaining - depends on taste

    Yikes

    I thought you'd be the first person to say Italy...Spain doesn't have that many good keepers, esp. in the lower teams.

    As for strikers, I was stuck between Italy and Spain on that one too, I think it's a topic for a new thread...I'll start one Very Happy
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    Post by Protheus Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:29 pm

    best managers - Italy
    best goalkeepers - Germany
    best defenders - Italy
    best midfielders - Spain (wingers - Portugal/Holand)
    best strikers - Holand
    best players under 23 - Portugal/Holand
    best players over 31 - Italy
    most tactical variety - Holand
    most cheats/divers - It is more a player thing than a league one
    worst referees - All, it is getting worse by the year

    most predictable - Scotland
    least predictable - Germany (not his year)
    most entertaining - Holand
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    Post by Pierre Littbarski Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:50 pm

    Bluenine - take away Lyon and look at the other 19 clubs.

    Surely its the least predictable ?
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    Post by bluenine Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:00 pm

    When I talk about least predictable, I mostly mean least predictable to pick the winner and maybe the CL qualifiers...

    Otherwise, even La Liga is very unpredictable.

    Pierre Littbarski wrote:Bluenine - take away Lyon and look at the other 19 clubs.

    Surely its the least predictable ?
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    Post by Tweesus Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:01 pm

    Spain have far from the best keepers. Personally I think you can't do better than the EPL for keepers nowadays
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    Post by Pierre Littbarski Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:06 pm

    Tweedle wrote:Spain have far from the best keepers. Personally I think you can't do better than the EPL for keepers nowadays

    Cech, Reina - after that I'm struggling.
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    Post by Pierre Littbarski Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:11 pm

    best managers- No one out of the big 3 stands at from the other 2
    best goalkeepers- see managers
    best defenders-England
    best midfielders-too tight between the big 3 to call
    best strikers-Italy
    best players under 23-Portugal
    best players over 31-Italy
    most tactical variety-Italy
    most cheats/divers-Spain
    worst referees-Spain


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    most predictable-Spain (which is very unusual)
    least predictable- Holland
    most entertaining-Can't seperate the big 3 and Holland
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    Post by bluenine Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:15 pm

    Laugh

    EPL is clearly 3rd in keepers IMO.... take out Cech and Reina and maybe VDS, and its quite mediore in keepers... I wonder what happened to the good old days when England produced so many good keepers... nowadays its Italy.

    But La Liga has some very good keepers... and this summer I think they have overtaken Serie A by inducting De Sanctis, Storari, and Abbiati... all better than Cudicini, just to give you an italian perspective. And some of them are finding it hard to get into the starting team!!

    Tweedle wrote:Spain have far from the best keepers. Personally I think you can't do better than the EPL for keepers nowadays
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    Post by Pierre Littbarski Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:17 pm

    bluenine wrote:Laugh

    EPL is clearly 3rd in keepers IMO.... take out Cech and Reina and maybe VDS, and its quite mediore in keepers... I wonder what happened to the good old days when England produced so many good keepers... nowadays its Italy.

    But La Liga has some very good keepers... and this summer I think they have overtaken Serie A by inducting De Sanctis, Storari, and Abbiati... all better than Cudicini, just to give you an italian perspective. And some of them are finding it hard to get into the starting team!!

    Tweedle wrote:Spain have far from the best keepers. Personally I think you can't do better than the EPL for keepers nowadays

    There are very few good keepers period.

    Storari certainly isn't one of them and Abbiati isn't great.
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    Post by Fey Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:17 pm

    Laughing

    Seriously...the German league is in a league of its own when it comes to goalkeepers!
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    Post by Machiavel Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:20 pm

    best managers - Italy & England
    best goalkeepers - Italy or Germany
    best defenders - England
    best midfielders - Germany
    best strikers - Italy
    best players under 23 - Portugal and Holland
    best players over 31 - Italy
    most tactical variety - Holland
    most cheats/divers - Every league has its fair share
    worst referees - same as cheats

    most predictable - Spain and England
    least predictable - Holland
    most entertaining - Holland / Germany
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    Post by Effenberg Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:21 pm

    Germany has the best keepers. I always wonder why the big, rich teams spend so much on strikers and midfielders, but not on quality (i.e. mostly) German goalkeepers. You could probably get the likes of Neuer, Wiese or Adler for 10-15 million (which is a bargain compared to what they spend on other players) and they'd get you a whole number of points each season. They're also young, so you would only have to do that once every ten years.
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    Post by bluenine Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:27 pm

    I agree re the money spent on keepers... there was a huge hue and cry when Juve spent £28M on Buffon, and Inter spent £20M+ on Toldo, the twoo most expensive gk deals ever... but both times, the money was more than well spent... keepers like Buffon win games, IMO Buffon is as important to a team as a Kaka or a Dinho!

    Similarily, Cech was the best bargian Chelsea ever got in this era, and Casillas is the best homegrown talent real have produced in recent times, more than Raul.

    Effenberg wrote:Germany has the best keepers. I always wonder why the big, rich teams spend so much on strikers and midfielders, but not on quality (i.e. mostly) German goalkeepers. You could probably get the likes of Neuer, Wiese or Adler for 10-15 million (which is a bargain compared to what they spend on other players) and they'd get you a whole number of points each season. They're also young, so you would only have to do that once every ten years.


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    Post by SuperMario Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:27 pm

    best managers - dunno EPL, LaLiga or serie A
    best goalkeepers - Germany
    best defenders - England
    best midfielders - Spain
    best strikers - Italy
    best players under 23 - Portugal/Holland
    best players over 31 - ?
    most tactical variety - Italy
    most cheats/divers - Spain/Portugal
    worst referees - nearly all refs are shite
    most predictable - Portugal? - for individual matches
    least predictable - Spain - league in which topclubs loose most points
    most entertaining - Holland, because I like attacking footy
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    Post by Kimbo Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:28 pm

    bluenine wrote:Laugh

    EPL is clearly 3rd in keepers IMO.... take out Cech and Reina and maybe VDS, and its quite mediore in keepers... I wonder what happened to the good old days when England produced so many good keepers... nowadays its Italy.

    But La Liga has some very good keepers... and this summer I think they have overtaken Serie A by inducting De Sanctis, Storari, and Abbiati... all better than Cudicini, just to give you an italian perspective. And some of them are finding it hard to get into the starting team!!

    Tweedle wrote:Spain have far from the best keepers. Personally I think you can't do better than the EPL for keepers nowadays

    scratch Given, Gordon, Friedel, Jussi - all better than VDS, who is still decent enough.
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    Post by Parks lives Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:32 pm

    The-Frank-Tavern wrote:best defenders - Italy

    Ferdinand, Vidic, Toure, Richards, Terry, Alex, Carvahilo, Carragher, Agger.
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    Post by Pierre Littbarski Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:36 pm

    Parks lives wrote:
    The-Frank-Tavern wrote:best defenders - Italy

    Ferdinand, Vidic, Toure, Richards, Terry, Alex, Carvahilo, Carragher, Agger.
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    Post by Super Progress Wed Oct 10, 2007 11:24 pm

    best managers-italy
    best goalkeepers-germany
    best defenders-england
    best midfielders-spain
    best strikers-spain
    best players under 23-holland
    best players over 31-italy
    most tactical variety-italy i dont even think thats close
    most cheats/divers-spain again not even close. italy aint got $h!t on spain
    worst referees-spain wins big time.


    most predictable-england
    least predictable-Big 3(italy/spain), germany(minus bayern)
    most entertaining-italy
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    Post by Axeslammer Wed Oct 10, 2007 11:27 pm

    best managers - Italy
    best goalkeepers - England
    best defenders - England
    best midfielders - Germany
    best strikers - Spain
    best players under 23 - Holland
    best players over 31 - Italy
    most tactical variety - Holland
    most cheats/divers - Spain / Italy
    worst referees - nearly all refs are shite though I'm afraid Holland takes the cake
    most predictable - Germany
    least predictable - Spain
    most entertaining - Holland : most goals, most attacking footie
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    Post by Tweesus Wed Oct 10, 2007 11:37 pm

    3rd after Spain and Germany?

    Well at least you concede that they're better than the keepers in Serie A

    bluenine wrote:Laugh

    EPL is clearly 3rd in keepers IMO.... take out Cech and Reina and maybe VDS, and its quite mediore in keepers... I wonder what happened to the good old days when England produced so many good keepers... nowadays its Italy.

    But La Liga has some very good keepers... and this summer I think they have overtaken Serie A by inducting De Sanctis, Storari, and Abbiati... all better than Cudicini, just to give you an italian perspective. And some of them are finding it hard to get into the starting team!!

    Tweedle wrote:Spain have far from the best keepers. Personally I think you can't do better than the EPL for keepers nowadays
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    Post by Guest Wed Oct 10, 2007 11:50 pm

    has the...
    best managers-Italy
    best goalkeepers-Italy
    best defenders-?
    best midfielders-Spain
    best strikers-Spain
    best players under 23-Holland/Portugal
    best players over 31-?
    most tactical variety-Italy
    most cheats/divers-Spain
    worst referees-SPAIN

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    most predictable-Scotland
    least predictable-Spain
    most entertaining-Spain,germany
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    Post by Tweesus Wed Oct 10, 2007 11:54 pm

    Messiah wrote:has the...
    best managers-Italy
    best goalkeepers-Italy
    best defenders-?
    best midfielders-Spain
    best strikers-Spain
    best players under 23-Holland/Portugal
    best players over 31-?
    most tactical variety-Italy
    most cheats/divers-Spain
    worst referees-SPAIN


    Ooh, how the hell did the EPL manage to get three teams in the CL semis last year? Amazing king
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    Post by The-Frank-Tavern Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:25 am

    Tweedle wrote:
    most predictable - Bundesliga
    perhaps whose going to win it but the rest no way
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    Post by Rez Thu Oct 11, 2007 12:20 pm

    I am surprised no one thinks England have the best players under the age of 23.

    I cant think of any other league that could field an U23 team of this calibre;

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    Pique---------Richards----------Agger----------Bale

    --------------Mascherano-------Mikel---------------

    -----------------------Fabregas---------------------

    Ronaldo--------------------------------------Rooney

    -----------------------Torres-----------------------

    An premiership U23 XI IMO would beat any other countries U23 XI.

    Also look at the players who couldnt make the XI; Tevez, Anderson, Nani, Lennon, Young, Babel, Clichy, N'Zogbia, Adebayor, Kalou, Taylor etc.
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