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Home Internationals

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Would you want the Home Internationals to return?

Yes: [ 5 ]; [42%]

No: [ 7 ]; [58%]

Total Votes: 12

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Home Internationals

by Dwarf Thu Nov 22, 2007 5:21 pm

Apart from the fact it'd be blocked by the clubs, the G14 and in all likelihood Fifa would you support a one of revival? We are at the weakest position we've been in a long while so it should provide ample preparation for the new manager.

PM eager for home internationals

Prime Minister Gordon Brown says he would welcome the revival of home internationals to ease the pain of Euro 2008 misery for the four home nations.

England's defeat by Croatia, following the failures of Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales triggered calls for the sides to face each other in 2008.

"I would certainly enjoy that. I've got great memories from the 1960s and 70s," said the prime minister.

SFA chief executive Gordon Smith has said he is in favour of the move.

It is the first time since 1994 that no home nations have qualified for a major tournament.

Scotland battled valiantly but finished third in a group including Italy and France, while Northern Ireland's fate was sealed when they were beaten in Spain on Wednesday.

Wales's campaign was in tatters after a string of early defeats.

The prime minister said it was "desperately disappointing", adding: "In some cases that's down to bad luck. In some it's bad results.

"I know every football fan in Britain was looking forward to a summer of football next year, so it's very disappointing."

SFA chief executive Gordon Smith has said he would welcome the opportunity for Scotland to face England - and Brown said he was not opposed to the idea.

"I know some people have called for a one-off revival next year of the Home Internationals," said Brown.

"That's something for the football associations and clubs to consider."

The home championship between England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland was scrapped in 1984 due to increasing fixture congestion.

Smith said national pride was "high on the agenda" after Glasgow was chosen to host the 2014 Commonwealth Games.

"But the main thing about it is we'd like to return to having games against home international nations, especially the Scotland-England game, which I think has been missed by the Scottish people," he said.

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Re: Home Internationals

by The-Frank-Tavern Thu Nov 22, 2007 5:25 pm

Been discussed on the Cardiff message board today, the general viewpoint from a footballing perspective was NO. Our side is progressing and it needs to play more continental sides not the garbage churned up by the british sides so wecan learn how to play properly not resort to the bad habits that are encountered in british footy where ball retention is not as important.

However, on the flip side the money would be nice, and england above everybody need it, new stadium to pay for, and a big hole in their budget after last night

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Re: Home Internationals

by The-Frank-Tavern Thu Nov 29, 2007 8:09 am

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/7117894.stm

i see toshack essentially agrees with the welsh football supporting viewpoint, its bad from a footy perspective and is all about MONEY

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Re: Home Internationals

by Isco Benny Thu Nov 29, 2007 9:08 am

Why would it be bad from a footballing perspective? Dont be such a miserable c**t all your life Frank, imagine the joy it would bring to your life if your ramble of Valleyboy Taffs beat England?

Football is supposed to be about excitement and drama, and whether its pretty or not, home nation games will always be exciting.

It works well for the egg chasers, so a 1-off tournament to test it out would be welcomed in my opinion

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Re: Home Internationals

by The-Frank-Tavern Thu Nov 29, 2007 9:11 am

we're not playing england its a celtic cup we've signed up for. and tosh wants to be playing teams of a similar style to our qualification group opponents. we are making a lot of progress in footballing terms, at least our players don't capitulate when we change system from 4-4-2 to 3-5-2 or 4-5-1, we need to be testing ourselves v technical teams not a bunch of hoofers.

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Re: Home Internationals

by Isco Benny Thu Nov 29, 2007 9:26 am

The-Frankinsense-Tavern wrote:we're not playing england its a celtic cup we've signed up for. and tosh wants to be playing teams of a similar style to our qualification group opponents. we are making a lot of progress in footballing terms, at least our players don't capitulate when we change system from 4-4-2 to 3-5-2 or 4-5-1, we need to be testing ourselves v technical teams not a bunch of hoofers.

A Celtic Cup? Well I think you're being particularly harsh on the Scots and Irish if you label them purely as "hoofers". Scotland played some good stuff against Italy, and would give your Welsh boys a good test.

Then there is Norn Ireland - you'd be testing yourselves against the most lethal striker in Europe for a start,

and the Irish? Well, they didnt look too shabby at Millenium Stadium- that game was actually a very good watch; Robbie Keane's goal was a technically sound as any you will see on the continent, especially the lesser known nations.

I'll be frank with you Frank- you're turning into a bit of a football snob with all this "we need to test ourselves against the best technical sides" bullshit, because

A) Wales are still far from box office draw to the bigger sides in Europe, so good luck organising friendlies against the best sides, particularly those who actually qualify for tournaments, unlike the Welsh
B) the concept that a couple of games against your neighbours is somehow going to hinder Wales' extraordinary progress is just laughable

One thing I've learnt about supporters of the Celtic nations over the last few weeks is that give them a modicum of success - like a draw in Germany or and excellent run in a tough group with France and Italy - and they become so giddy with excitement that you'd think they'd actually qualified for a competition recently. One step at a time boys hey Biggrin

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Re: Home Internationals

by The-Frank-Tavern Thu Nov 29, 2007 9:31 am

one step at a time indeed, hence imho this is a step backwards. we are making progress imho and i'm not getting over excited but keeping my feet firmly on the ground, hence why i'm disappointed by this. we've managed to get games v brazil in the recent past, also bulgaria so i can't see why we can't get that level of friendly once or twice a year and this competition will hinder that. apart from money i really don't see this comp serves any purpose.

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Re: Home Internationals

by fcb Thu Nov 29, 2007 9:32 am

tbh I don't see how the likes of Bulgaria are that much better than Scotland, N. Ireland, etc. Pele has a point, the home nations are getting too excited too quickly. It's always extremes, I've noticed - either people say "Ireland are utter rubbish" or "Scotland are the best team in the world"

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Re: Home Internationals

by The-Frank-Tavern Thu Nov 29, 2007 9:36 am

bulgaria are imho certainly better than both the irish teams, but it is far more of a challenge than any of the celtic nations as its about playing v different styles which imho is a far better learning process for our youngsters than playing styles they regularly get in league football. don't forget we aren't blessed with having any players in european club football to compensate, many of ours are playing footy at below EPL level

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Re: Home Internationals

by Roger Hunt Thu Nov 29, 2007 9:49 am

No. Why would we waste our time playing Wales and N Ireland?

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Re: Home Internationals

by Isco Benny Thu Nov 29, 2007 9:49 am

The-Frankinsense-Tavern wrote:bulgaria are imho certainly better than both the irish teams, but it is far more of a challenge than any of the celtic nations as its about playing v different styles which imho is a far better learning process for our youngsters than playing styles they regularly get in league football. don't forget we aren't blessed with having any players in european club football to compensate, many of ours are playing footy at below EPL level

That is a good point Frank.

But it is worth remembering that not every nation on the continent is going to play technical and tactical football - the Scandinavian sides for instance mirror the physical side of UK football and nations like Wales would learn more from playing more games, irrespective of who they are against, then simply becoming choosy with whom they should be playing.

that is my point - the major hinderance to most national sides isnt so much who the opposition are, but how often they play regularly in a settled team with settled tactics and personnel.

Rather than spend the summer idly twiddling their thumbs, I'd prefer it if England for example played a number of games, even if they were against other home nations whose style isnt as cultured as that on the continent, to get some games under the players' belt

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Re: Home Internationals

by The-Frank-Tavern Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:53 pm

tbh i could stomach this if the games were played over 2 years not in 2 months every 2 years. eg your right about the scandos, and we've drawn finland so it would be good prep., but we also have russia and germany, so games against perhaps ukraine would be more beneficial than say n ireland, and the ukraine may well be prepared to play us considering they have england.

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Re: Home Internationals

by Roger Hunt Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:59 pm

Psychologically I think it would be bad for England.

I want all the players at home over the summer watching the Euros on telly and beating themselves up that they aren't there, to give them some motivation for WC2010.

To have some kind of second-best tournament as a consolation will distract from the scale of their failure.

Plus, it's a lose-lose scenario for England. If they dont achieve a whitewash the celts will crow for months. If they do it'll just be meeting expectations. And what will the England players learn from competing with a bunch of Championship players? They can get that playing in the Carling Cup.

I can't see any benefit from England's point of view.

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Re: Home Internationals

by The-Frank-Tavern Thu Nov 29, 2007 1:01 pm

i can see england playing some matches in either the states or the far east to try and get some cash to offset against non qualification

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Re: Home Internationals

by Ringhio Thu Nov 29, 2007 7:04 pm

I wouldn't mind the odd game against the English, Welsh and Northern Irish from time to time but I am not totally in favour of a home internationals tournament.

I'm definately not in favour of a 'Celtic Cup' and it's not just because of it's name.