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    Kevin Keegan new Newcastle boss

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    Post by Romford Pele Wed Jan 16, 2008 6:56 pm

    36-0tto wrote:Keegan is ALL WRONG

    terrible choice

    Jol is not good enough either

    Newcastle need a builder

    Rehagel would have been brilliant

    What has he achieved over the other candidates?
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    Post by Sir Les Wed Jan 16, 2008 6:56 pm

    36-0tto wrote:Keegan is ALL WRONG

    terrible choice

    Jol is not good enough either

    Newcastle need a builder

    Rehagel would have been brilliant

    or a miracle worker?
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    Post by Bashmachkin Wed Jan 16, 2008 6:57 pm

    Dark Savante wrote:
    What you are missing here that perhaps at City he found that the game in England has changed and his old tactics didnt work , sorry but people like Rafa has really come into buisness where there are other things then just motivating players and creating environment.
    Anyway good luck to KK.

    I disagree Savante. For a start, Keegan still did a good job at City - it just wasnt as exceptional as the job he did at Newcastle. He got City promoted to the Premier League, breaking their points and goals scored records in the process, led them to a ninth placed finish, and then to sixteenth in the league, which constitutes a record comparable in itself to anything any of Redknapp, Curbishley, O'Neill, Allardyce have done. On the other hand, I grew up watching Keegan at Newcastle, and it was obvious that, in his later days with City, he was lacking motivation, lacking the will to fight, that he was tired and beginning to question himself too much - and I think this is what made his time at City less successful, rather than any inherent managerial deficiencies.

    Its worth recalling that, in taking us from imminent relegation to Division Two to the Premier League in one season, Keegan managed to completely turn around a group of average players. Keegan is the guy who made players like John Beresford and Rob Lee - who up to the point had been decent but unspectacular, flitting between the top two divisions - into two of the best players in their respective positions in England. He saw the potential in a young Andy Cole. He turned Steve Howey, who until then had considered himself a striker, into an England international centre half (who could easily have made a position in the England team his own had his career not been blighted by injuries). He revitalised Peter Beardsleys career, earning him an international recall. Hes a guy who spotted and brought to the Premiership some of the best talent it has seen in players like David Ginola, Phillipe Albert, Tino Asprilla. He was a manager who made brave decisions, for instance in selling Andy Cole, but who planned ahead in this instance, bringing in Gillespie then Ferdinand in the summer and leading us so close to the title. He took us from the bottom of Division One to the top of the Premier League spending only £20million net, which counters somewhat any suggestion that hes just an exorbitant spender. He did all of this playing magnificent attacking football. The idea that such a guy is out of his depth because the league has moved on a bit is a nonsensical idea - he has shown, in his career, the power of motivation, inspiration, of creating a good environment, but hes also showed a great deal of bravery, astuteness, footballing knowledge.

    I think we should all rather debate who will be finishing second next season. I fancy Arsenal to pip Man Utd to that particular post.
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    Post by Kimbo Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:08 pm

    Emmanuel Adebayor wrote:Surely though he will still contribute more to team play than Owen would? You could also argue that Oba didn't really get to make those runs due to the formation that Big Sam was playing. I personally think him and Viduka both had good footballing brains as does Emre who does not seem to be rated at all.

    Do you not reckon Barton will be kept providing he does not end up in prison?

    I would purchase someone like Samaras to play up top. Great footballing brain and as someone has said is young and has a great future ahead given the chance.

    Not really sure about the other signings though Ale
    To be honest i don't think either Owen or Oba would be ideal for him, both are quite small and aren't great at getting on the end of crosses. Viduka would be ideal if he was younger, nowadays it's like watching an Ox play upfront.

    Barton is a goner IMO. Unless Keegan sees him as a David Batty type figure, but it's unlikely. He's really not very talented, and the fans hate him. Emre is too weak for a 442 i reckon, especially as Keegan doesn't really do defensive midfielders. Plus there are rumours that he wants out, this might change with Sam leaving though.

    Samaras i could see, but i was thinking of Darren Bent, obviously Spurs would ask for a gay fee but he is a Keegan type of striker. Fast, strong, holds the ball up and a decent poacher. Samaras would be alot cheaper though so might be a good choice.


    @ Otto

    Rehagal and Newcastle? Laughing That would be a match made in hell. Take a dull defensive coach and put him in a club that hates that type of football. Great idea. <Ale>
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    Post by Zack Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:16 pm

    Keegan as an managerial appointment will be a success. As a club manager, Keegan is innovative, Ace at Man-management and will always get the best out of the players due to his Charisma. Many people are hastily judging him for his England post. He is a club manager, who likes the day to day training. Which is why he makes players play for him and enjoy it...

    Newcastle team of late lacked direction and more importantly lacked any motivation of playing. It reminded me how we played earlier in the season, the tension from the fans was unbearable for the players. It was the same with Allardyce with Newcastle.

    With Keegans appointment, the players will get 110 percent backing from the fans ( Very importment) and a manager who they ultimately will enjoy playing for...

    I think FOR Newcastle Keegan is the best British manager they could hope for IMO....
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    Post by Romford Pele Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:24 pm

    Kimbo wrote:
    Emmanuel Adebayor wrote:Surely though he will still contribute more to team play than Owen would? You could also argue that Oba didn't really get to make those runs due to the formation that Big Sam was playing. I personally think him and Viduka both had good footballing brains as does Emre who does not seem to be rated at all.

    Do you not reckon Barton will be kept providing he does not end up in prison?

    I would purchase someone like Samaras to play up top. Great footballing brain and as someone has said is young and has a great future ahead given the chance.

    Not really sure about the other signings though Ale
    To be honest i don't think either Owen or Oba would be ideal for him, both are quite small and aren't great at getting on the end of crosses. Viduka would be ideal if he was younger, nowadays it's like watching an Ox play upfront.

    Barton is a goner IMO. Unless Keegan sees him as a David Batty type figure, but it's unlikely. He's really not very talented, and the fans hate him. Emre is too weak for a 442 i reckon, especially as Keegan doesn't really do defensive midfielders. Plus there are rumours that he wants out, this might change with Sam leaving though.

    Samaras i could see, but i was thinking of Darren Bent, obviously Spurs would ask for a gay fee but he is a Keegan type of striker. Fast, strong, holds the ball up and a decent poacher. Samaras would be alot cheaper though so might be a good choice.


    @ Otto

    Rehagal and Newcastle? Laughing That would be a match made in hell. Take a dull defensive coach and put him in a club that hates that type of football. Great idea. <Ale>

    Samaras and Bent it seems then for upfront would be a good combo if you ask me.

    I presume he will go foreign as there aren't many good englishmen available for the position you've mentioned although saying that I think Sidwell would be a good acquisition.
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    Post by Fey Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:27 pm

    Samaras+Owen!! Very good says I, perhaps get Ashton as well!!
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    Post by debaser Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:28 pm

    Bashmachkin wrote:I disagree Savante. For a start, Keegan still did a good job at City - it just wasnt as exceptional as the job he did at Newcastle. He got City promoted to the Premier League, breaking their points and goals scored records in the process, led them to a ninth placed finish, and then to sixteenth in the league, which constitutes a record comparable in itself to anything any of Redknapp, Curbishley, O'Neill, Allardyce have done.
    ah come on. that record with man city doesn't bear comparison to promotion, 4 successive top 10 premiership finishes and 2 league cup wins with leicester, however impressive the promotion campaign was. and i'd also argue it's more of an achievement to make bolton or charlton into solid premiership teams than it is man city.
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    Post by Arnaud loves Catherine Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:30 pm

    To be very honest football isn't a so complicate sport tactically and our english friend Keegan surely knows one or two things about footie.

    The problem at this level are the details...
    Take a look at MU.Tactically there's absolutely nothing incredible! a good old 4-4-2 with two great wingers...two offensive RB and LB and 2 strong DC.

    The thing is to know if Keegan is good enough to explain to his players how to be placed on the box during offensive/defensive free kicks/corners ect ect...

    That's maybe these kind of things Allardyce wanted from his players and maybe he forgot to tell them to (sometimes) play football! With keegan no doubt the players will have more tactical freedom and will surely be better to watch.But at the end of the day only results count.Good luck to him..Seems a nice guy. <Ale>
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    Post by Romford Pele Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:36 pm

    Arnaud loves Catherine wrote:To be very honest football isn't a so complicate sport tactically and our english friend Keegan surely knows one or two things about footie.

    The problem at this level are the details...
    Take a look at MU.Tactically there's absolutely nothing incredible! a good old 4-4-2 with two great wingers...two offensive RB and LB and 2 strong DC.

    The thing is to know if Keegan is good enough to explain to his players how to be placed on the box during offensive/defensive free kicks/corners ect ect...

    That's maybe these kind of things Allardyce wanted from his players and maybe he forgot to tell them to (sometimes) play football! With keegan no doubt the players will have more tactical freedom and will surely be better to watch.But at the end of the day only results count.Good luck to him..Seems a nice guy. <Ale>

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    Post by Bashmachkin Wed Jan 16, 2008 8:11 pm

    debaser wrote:ah come on. that record with man city doesn't bear comparison to promotion, 4 successive top 10 premiership finishes and 2 league cup wins with leicester, however impressive the promotion campaign was. and i'd also argue it's more of an achievement to make bolton or charlton into solid premiership teams than it is man city.

    Ive had a little look, and just to do a sum up of what each manager achieved -

    O'Neill got Leicester up in the playoffs, and in his time they came ninth, tenth, tenth and eighth, and won two league cups. With Porsmouth, Redknapp won them promotion and they battled relegation for three seasons before coming ninth last season. Allardyce brought Bolton up in the playoffs and after three relegation battles they achieved eighth and sixth placed finishes. The high points in Curbishleys time with Charlton were ninth and seventh placed finishes, and they went straight down once he left them.

    Id agree that, with the consistency of their finishes and with their two cup wins, Leicesters record under O'Neill is the best of the lot, and it betters what Keegan achieved at Man City - but I dont think it betters it by a huge amount. What marks Keegans reign out from the rest most of all is just that it was a shorter reign - besides that, the records are very similar. And whilst he spent a lot of money - though not an excessive amount, in that he spent what came in, what he essentially brought in through winning City promotion and keeping them in the Premier League - I think its fair to suggest that, of the lot, Citys team under Keegan did play the best football.

    Basically Im just arguing that even with City, when Keegan was supposedly on the decline or being found out, his achievements do bear comparison with the achievements of the other English managers about at the moment - that this in itself suggests that Keegan will cope fine with managing in the Premier League today - that its reason enough to appoint him over the likes of Redknapp - that Keegan has succeeded at every club he has been at.
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    Post by Guest Wed Jan 16, 2008 8:27 pm

    I think Keegan is a terrific appointment. He'll have the full backing of the chairman and fans from the off, and his appointment will raise the teams and supporters morale instantly. I think he'll be a great success.
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    Post by TheCrazy58 Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:03 pm

    All I can say is..........

    lol!
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    Post by Fey Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:04 pm

    Hope they get those shirts with that star back as well, I still have their 1996-1997 shirt!!

    Hope Keegan will bring them back, but it wouldnt be easy. Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea werent all that back in the mid-nineties.
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    Post by Romford Pele Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:05 pm

    I've never seen so much passion for one guy. I wish him well.
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    Post by Romford Pele Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:08 pm

    Anyone see this game going to penalties?

    I hope not better things to do!
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    Post by TheCrazy58 Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:11 pm

    TheCrazy58 wrote:All I can say is..........

    lol!

    Having said that this is quite annoying. I was hoping Stoke would kick them out of FA Cup (and they may well have before this news) and we'd get them in the 4th round. Now we'll get the Geordies still on a high from all this.
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    Post by Romford Pele Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:13 pm

    Should still do them at the Emirates though. We'll pick them off from their gun ho approach
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    Post by Sir Les Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:13 pm

    Emmanuel Adebayor wrote:Anyone see this game going to penalties?

    I hope not better things to do!

    For pity sake end it now!
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    Post by TheCrazy58 Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:23 pm

    Emmanuel Adebayor wrote:Should still do them at the Emirates though. We'll pick them off from their gun ho approach

    Hmm last match at Emirates - draw vs Birmingham.......... Sad Hopefully AW will have fallen on the team from a great height this week and we'll see the benefits at Fulham but I tell you it (assumed 4th round vs Newcastle) will be a big potential banana skin.
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    Post by Tweesus Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:24 pm

    Good appointment IMO. He and NUFC have a special relationship and I'm certain he'll try his hardest to not just bring them success but also to entertain Ale

    He needs to chuck out the dross though and bring in some players of his style (Get rid of Butt, Smith and Faye)
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    Post by Romford Pele Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:26 pm

    I think Smith could still have an influence if used in the right position.
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    Post by Tweesus Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:28 pm

    Emmanuel Adebayor wrote:I think Smith could still have an influence if used in the right position.

    Where exactly is that? Its not on a football pitch...
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    Post by Romford Pele Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:30 pm

    Newcastle 3-0 Stoke.

    @Tweeds

    To be honest I really don't know he's not a bad traget man?!
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    Post by TheCrazy58 Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:32 pm

    Emmanuel Adebayor wrote:I think Smith could still have an influence if used in the right position.

    Agreed. I think he's potentially a very good player who's been unlucky with injuries and circumstances (he was playing well for Mancs before he was pushed out by Rooney's arrival).

    Obviously they have to do something pronto about the defence. You can see that it's finally getting to Given - he's been shambles this season. You'd have thought removal of Bramble would have improved matters immeasurably but evidentlu not Doh
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    Post by Tweesus Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:35 pm

    Emmanuel Adebayor wrote:Newcastle 3-0 Stoke.

    @Tweeds

    To be honest I really don't know he's not a bad traget man?!

    Anyone over 6' and with a bit of strength could be described as 'not a bad target man'.

    He's not a Keegan type player anyway, and hopefully Ashley gives Kev the money he needs to impose his will in the transfer market.
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    Post by Kimbo Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:15 pm

    Tweedle wrote:Good appointment IMO. He and NUFC have a special relationship and I'm certain he'll try his hardest to not just bring them success but also to entertain Ale

    He needs to chuck out the dross though and bring in some players of his style (Get rid of Butt, Smith and Faye)
    Oi, there's nothing wrong with Faye. Evil or Very Mad

    I think Smith is a goner myself, he's a striker that doesn't score and a midfielder that can't pass. Squad player at best.
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    Post by Dwarf Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:32 pm

    TheCrazy58 wrote:
    Obviously they have to do something pronto about the defence. You can see that it's finally getting to Given - he's been shambles this season. You'd have thought removal of Bramble would have improved matters immeasurably but evidentlu not Doh

    By the end of Sam's tenure the defence would go out the tunnel knowing that if they conceded a goal they wouldn't win. You are expecting far too much if you expect a new back 4 to keep a team afloat with that kind of pressure without any natural leaders.

    Give them some time and they may well be good enough, replacing like for like won't change anything and unfortunately for Newcastle that's all they are able to attract.
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    Post by debaser Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:33 pm

    Bashmachkin wrote:
    debaser wrote:ah come on. that record with man city doesn't bear comparison to promotion, 4 successive top 10 premiership finishes and 2 league cup wins with leicester, however impressive the promotion campaign was. and i'd also argue it's more of an achievement to make bolton or charlton into solid premiership teams than it is man city.

    Ive had a little look, and just to do a sum up of what each manager achieved -

    O'Neill got Leicester up in the playoffs, and in his time they came ninth, tenth, tenth and eighth, and won two league cups. With Porsmouth, Redknapp won them promotion and they battled relegation for three seasons before coming ninth last season. Allardyce brought Bolton up in the playoffs and after three relegation battles they achieved eighth and sixth placed finishes. The high points in Curbishleys time with Charlton were ninth and seventh placed finishes, and they went straight down once he left them.

    Id agree that, with the consistency of their finishes and with their two cup wins, Leicesters record under O'Neill is the best of the lot, and it betters what Keegan achieved at Man City - but I dont think it betters it by a huge amount. What marks Keegans reign out from the rest most of all is just that it was a shorter reign - besides that, the records are very similar. And whilst he spent a lot of money - though not an excessive amount, in that he spent what came in, what he essentially brought in through winning City promotion and keeping them in the Premier League - I think its fair to suggest that, of the lot, Citys team under Keegan did play the best football.

    Basically Im just arguing that even with City, when Keegan was supposedly on the decline or being found out, his achievements do bear comparison with the achievements of the other English managers about at the moment - that this in itself suggests that Keegan will cope fine with managing in the Premier League today - that its reason enough to appoint him over the likes of Redknapp - that Keegan has succeeded at every club he has been at.
    aye, a fair analysis. what he's also got on redknapp, hughes, et al is that he's got far more experience of big jobs than them. and there's no doubt that newcastle manager is a big, high pressure job
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    Post by Tweesus Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:40 pm

    Kimbo wrote:
    Tweedle wrote:Good appointment IMO. He and NUFC have a special relationship and I'm certain he'll try his hardest to not just bring them success but also to entertain Ale

    He needs to chuck out the dross though and bring in some players of his style (Get rid of Butt, Smith and Faye)
    Oi, there's nothing wrong with Faye. Evil or Very Mad

    I think Smith is a goner myself, he's a striker that doesn't score and a midfielder that can't pass. Squad player at best.

    I like Faye actually - he's a sound DM and versatile enough to play in defence. I'm not sure Keegan will like playing him though

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