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    Post by Batman Sat Jan 19, 2008 2:16 am

    Theo's not where I want him WALCOTT_280x390_421573a

    ARSENE WENGER has admitted teenager Theo Walcott has not improved as much as expected since arriving at Arsenal.

    Walcott, 18, signed for the Gunners two years ago tomorrow in a £5million move from Southampton — which could rise to £12m — where he was already a first-team regular.

    He spent his first year settling in and then coping with a shoulder injury.

    But he has made just nine Premier League starts this season and had to be substituted against Birmingham last week.

    Even today, in the absence of the injured Robin van Persie, there is no room for him in the squad to face Fulham at Craven Cottage.

    And Wenger, who now believes Walcott is not suited to the role of a winger, said: “He will get where I expect him to be but, at the moment, he is not.

    “There is always a risk when you step up a level but I still think the sooner you are at the top, top level the better it is.

    “He was troubled a little bit when I took him off last weekend.

    "It can happen at that age and it’s part of the learning process. They have to deal with that.

    “The expectation level is very high because he is very young and he has been projected early into the spotlight.

    "He feels the pressure. He wants to fulfil the ambitions and expectation level that people have for him. But I still believe he is strong enough and good enough to make it.

    “He plays on confidence and he has qualities that will come out.

    "I tried to force him to play wide but I am now convinced he will be a central player.

    "He played well in that role against Slavia Prague and he may play in very similar games in the centre.”

    Walcott scored twice in the 7-0 Champions League demolition of Prague — but was then dropped to the bench.

    His only other goal this season came in the Carling Cup against Spurs.

    Wenger said: “It is tough for players when they are on the bench but that’s part of the learning process of the job.

    “He is not happy when he doesn’t play but I believe he is on the way to get into the team and I am confident that before the end of the season he can make that step.”

    Wenger also admitted that Walcott’s shoulder injury has affected his form.

    The teenager has inherited a congenital fault from his father Don, which means the shoulder ligaments are too slack.

    He first dislocated his shoulder in a reserve match for Southampton against Portsmouth in December 2005 following a crunching challenge from Linvoy Primus.

    Then he fell heavily at Everton last March and needed an operation.
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    Post by L.r.d Sat Jan 19, 2008 2:21 am

    Interesting headline Laughing
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    Post by EM Seleção e Selecção Sat Jan 19, 2008 2:27 am

    Walcott has still got time to develop i give him three more years to make a breakthrough and command a first team stop.
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    Post by lrdsucksgoats Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:26 am

    A young English player at Arsenal hardly playing and failing to develop properly?


    You astound me.


    I can't wait for the L'Arse fans to see this. I demand an apology from EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE FUCKERS who mocked me for saying this would happen. And every single one of them who have been saying 'Walcott's been much better this season'. He hasn't. Your manager has admitted as much. Let's see if you've got the balls to do the same...
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    Post by Cesc Soler Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:37 am

    Batman wrote:The teenager has inherited a congenital fault from his father Don, which means the shoulder ligaments are too slack.
    Erm

    Thats just great.

    There is no denying that he is in very poor form at the moment, its been happening for a few months now. He did well vs. Slavia Prague but not as well as some of the media made out, one of his goals was put on a plate by the goalkeeper. The only hope is that he can regain that confidence which he had at the start of last season where he produced some vital assists.

    I don't know why Wenger wants to push him as a striker already. He is not a great finisher of the ball like the players we already in that position.

    Young players are inconsistent and need time to grow, thats our only hope. I expected more TBH.
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    Post by Glenarch of the Glen Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:44 am

    Anyone lining up to write off Walcott at 18 is an idiot ok
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    Post by Pierre Littbarski Sat Jan 19, 2008 10:51 am

    There is no chance whatsoever of him going on to be a quality forward and he hasn't got the skill to play on the wing.
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    Post by Batman Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:14 am

    Wenger doesn't rate Theo as a winger that's why he has been playing Eboue there instead.

    So how many games can you see Theo playing as striker in the near future when he has got players like Adebayor, van Persie, Eduardo and Bendtner infront of him who are not that old?

    Plus Vela will be arriving at Arsenal for the start of next season.

    Then you also got a young Dutch? and Portuguese? striker, that Wenger signed, coming through in the reserves.

    A high profile at a young age can give a player a big ego, and i don't think that ego will be happy sitting on the bench.

    Theo got called to the World Cup squad and is the youngest player to make an England debut?
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    Post by Luis Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:17 am

    Pierre Littbarski wrote:There is no chance whatsoever of him going on to be a quality forward and he hasn't got the skill to play on the wing.

    Disagree completely.
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    Post by Glenarch of the Glen Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:17 am

    Batman wrote:
    Theo got called to the World Cup squad and is the youngest player to make an England debut?

    really?
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    Post by Glenarch of the Glen Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:20 am

    Pierre Littbarski wrote:There is no chance whatsoever of him going on to be a quality forward

    how does he compare to Craig Bellamy, Andy Johnson or Robbie Keane at 18?
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    Post by Batman Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:22 am

    Glenn Hysén wrote:
    Batman wrote:
    Theo got called to the World Cup squad and is the youngest player to make an England debut?

    really?

    I don't know, thats why i put a question mark.

    But im sure he got called up to the World Cup Squad, although i didn't actually see him play, so i could be wrong. scratch
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    Post by Glenarch of the Glen Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:25 am

    Batman wrote:
    Glenn Hysén wrote:
    Batman wrote:
    Theo got called to the World Cup squad and is the youngest player to make an England debut?

    really?

    I don't know, thats why i put a question mark.

    But im sure he got called up to the World Cup Squad, although i didn't actually see him play, so i could be wrong. scratch

    On May 30, 2006, he made history by becoming the youngest ever England player in a full international by appearing in England's friendly against Hungary at Old Trafford, aged 17 years and 75 days. England won the match 3-1?
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    Post by Hlebagone Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:25 am

    Dr Cocks wrote:A young English player at Arsenal hardly playing and failing to develop properly?


    You astound me.


    I can't wait for the L'Arse fans to see this. I demand an apology from EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE FUCKERS who mocked me for saying this would happen. And every single one of them who have been saying 'Walcott's been much better this season'. He hasn't. Your manager has admitted as much. Let's see if you've got the balls to do the same...

    An apology for what exactly? Firstly, he has been better than last season. Whilst this probably comparable with saying that Pol Pot was better than Stalin, it nevevrtheless is true.
    Secondly, the what Wenger has been saying is something that nearly every Arsenal fan believes as far as i can tell. He's been a bit $h!t and not nearly as good as we hoped/expected. This does not mean that he is $h!t and will never be anything but $h!t, something which you apparently fail to see the difference between.
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    Post by Batman Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:25 am

    Glenn Hysén wrote:
    Pierre Littbarski wrote:There is no chance whatsoever of him going on to be a quality forward

    how does he compare to Craig Bellamy, Andy Johnson or Robbie Keane at 18?

    Were they playing first team football in the first division?
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    Post by Glenarch of the Glen Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:33 am

    Craig Bellamy was at Norwich, mid-table in the First Division and became at first team regular at 19. Johnson was a nobody at Birmingham and didn't make any waves till he was at Palace (21-22) Keane was also in the First Division with Wolves, don't think he was a regular until he was 19.
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    Post by Cesc Soler Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:33 am

    Batman wrote:Plus Vela will be arriving at Arsenal for the start of next season.
    It really will be a balancing act next season. Carlos Vela is only 18, so I'm sure he will be brought through slowly like Denilson and Traore with the Carling Cup.

    Bendtner is really showing promise as well, he is keeping Walcott out of the squad at the moment.

    Rui Fonte is too young. Nacer Barazite has certainly shown promise as a winger though.

    We certainly won't be in the market for a striker for a few seasons.
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    Post by EM Seleção e Selecção Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:40 am

    Cesc wrote:
    Batman wrote:Plus Vela will be arriving at Arsenal for the start of next season.
    It really will be a balancing act next season. Carlos Vela is only 18, so I'm sure he will be brought through slowly like Denilson and Traore with the Carling Cup.

    Bendtner is really showing promise as well, he is keeping Walcott out of the squad at the moment.

    Rui Fonte is too young. Nacer Barazite has certainly shown promise as a winger though.

    We certainly won't be in the market for a striker for a few seasons.

    Vela will be a squad player have seen this guy play in La Liga?

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    Post by Cesc Soler Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:45 am

    I have only seen Osasuna twice this season. He played as a striker in both games and looked a good player.

    I believe Salamanca used him more as a left sided attacking midfielder last season.
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    Post by Cesc Soler Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:49 am

    Glenn Hysén wrote:Craig Bellamy was at Norwich, mid-table in the First Division and became at first team regular at 19. Johnson was a nobody at Birmingham and didn't make any waves till he was at Palace (21-22) Keane was also in the First Division with Wolves, don't think he was a regular until he was 19.
    What has this got to do with Walcott exactly?

    Are you saying that Walcott will have a career like Johnson and Bellamy compared to a top class striker like Rooney.

    BTW Robbie Keane was a regular at 17. At 19 he made a big money ove to Coventry City. After a year or so he then moved onto Inter Milan.
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    Post by Pierre Littbarski Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:57 am

    Glenn Hysén wrote:Craig Bellamy was at Norwich, mid-table in the First Division and became at first team regular at 19

    He wasn't a proper CF at Norwich he was more in the hole or support striker - was quite creative if memory serves correctly.

    Glenn Hysén wrote: Johnson was a nobody at Birmingham and didn't make any waves till he was at Palace (21-22)


    I think he is a bit quicker than Walcott and, whilst he isn't big, he is still more powerful + has one of the greatest work rates in football.


    Glenn Hysén wrote: Keane was also in the First Division with Wolves, don't think he was a regular until he was 19.

    Keane was a regular at 18 and was one of the most jaw-droppingly brilliant teenagers I have seen when he was at Wolves.


    Walcott is small, exceptionally weak, has no real skill and cannot hit a ball.

    He is also gay and he smells.
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    Post by Batman Sat Jan 19, 2008 12:09 pm

    Cesc wrote:
    Glenn Hysén wrote:Craig Bellamy was at Norwich, mid-table in the First Division and became at first team regular at 19. Johnson was a nobody at Birmingham and didn't make any waves till he was at Palace (21-22) Keane was also in the First Division with Wolves, don't think he was a regular until he was 19.
    What has this got to do with Walcott exactly?

    Are you saying that Walcott will have a career like Johnson and Bellamy compared to a top class striker like Rooney.

    BTW Robbie Keane was a regular at 17. At 19 he made a big money ove to Coventry City. After a year or so he then moved onto Inter Milan.

    I hope im not being liabless but I think Glenn thinks that Walcott is better player than Johnson, Bellamy and Keane at the same age?

    I would have to disagree about Keane, i remember my Wolves mates rating him very highly.

    1997-1999 . . Wolves . . 87 apps, 29 goals

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    Post by Lordanger Sat Jan 19, 2008 12:35 pm

    perfect example of english footballs unhealthy fascination with pace.
    'dur, dur he can run fast, dur, that makes him an acer, dur, dur.'
    he is $h!t: is like a shorter version of sissoko playing up front. see his amazing goal against spurs: wow.
    overrated, overhyped, overexposed yet fundamentally shite, hmmm is he a paradigm of the premiership?
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    Post by Glenarch of the Glen Sat Jan 19, 2008 1:02 pm

    Batman wrote:
    Cesc wrote:
    Glenn Hysén wrote:Craig Bellamy was at Norwich, mid-table in the First Division and became at first team regular at 19. Johnson was a nobody at Birmingham and didn't make any waves till he was at Palace (21-22) Keane was also in the First Division with Wolves, don't think he was a regular until he was 19.
    What has this got to do with Walcott exactly?

    Are you saying that Walcott will have a career like Johnson and Bellamy compared to a top class striker like Rooney.

    BTW Robbie Keane was a regular at 17. At 19 he made a big money ove to Coventry City. After a year or so he then moved onto Inter Milan.

    I hope im not being liabless but I think Glenn thinks that Walcott is better player than Johnson, Bellamy and Keane at the same age?

    I would have to disagree about Keane, i remember my Wolves mates rating him very highly.

    1997-1999 . . Wolves . . 87 apps, 29 goals

    not a bad record.

    I don't think he's better, I just think it's a good idea to compare him with similar players who have made it in the top flight. No one would argue he's anywhere near an 18 year old Rooney, Owen or Defoe. At 16 he looked great in the Championship, a 17 year old Robbie Keane looked great at a similar level. I'm not going to say Walcott will make it, but Pierre is an idiot to write him off at 18.
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    Post by lrdsucksgoats Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:07 pm

    Hlebadinho wrote:
    Dr Cocks wrote:A young English player at Arsenal hardly playing and failing to develop properly?


    You astound me.


    I can't wait for the L'Arse fans to see this. I demand an apology from EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE FUCKERS who mocked me for saying this would happen. And every single one of them who have been saying 'Walcott's been much better this season'. He hasn't. Your manager has admitted as much. Let's see if you've got the balls to do the same...

    An apology for what exactly?

    For mocking and insulting me when I didn't jump on the Walcott bandwagon despite the facts I saw him play (albeit on TV) before any of you Arsenal supporters even knew his name.

    For constantly degrading me for pointing out that his development since he was 16 was virtually nil, by people who subsequently admitted to not having seen him play for Southampton.

    That sort of thing.

    Firstly, he has been better than last season. Whilst this probably comparable with saying that Pol Pot was better than Stalin, it nevevrtheless is true.

    I see no improvement. Not since his Southampton days.

    Secondly, the what Wenger has been saying is something that nearly every Arsenal fan believes as far as i can tell.

    You've got to be kidding.

    He's been a bit $h!t and not nearly as good as we hoped/expected.

    No Arsenal fan before today said on this forum (or elsewhere that I know of) that Walcott has been a bit $h!t. They all said 'he's improving' and 'he's looked alright in recent games' and other euphemisms for 'he's a bit $h!t, really'. Now you're claiming that all think that. Are we to surmise that all Arsenal fans are liars and hypocrites, since they always either disguise what they think or say the opposite to it?

    Really, you're providing me with gold here.

    This does not mean that he is $h!t and will never be anything but $h!t, something which you apparently fail to see the difference between.

    'Apparently', i.e. 'something you've just made up because you know I'm right but don't want to admit it'.


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    Post by Rasiak-9 Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:09 pm

    12

    million

    pounds

    sterling

    Smile

    EDIT: Having said that, 7 of those 12 million i believe come from add-on clauses which Theo seems incapable of earning us. Still good business on our part. Although at the age of 18, his confidence has already taken two massive knocks, the World Cup fiasco and now this.
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    Post by lrdsucksgoats Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:16 pm

    Glenn Hysén wrote:
    I don't think he's better, I just think it's a good idea to compare him with similar players who have made it in the top flight. No one would argue he's anywhere near an 18 year old Rooney, Owen or Defoe.

    Or Bale, or Richards, or Milner, or Lennon, or Fabregas, or Ronaldo...


    At 16 he looked great in the Championship, a 17 year old Robbie Keane looked great at a similar level.

    He looked good in the Championship. Even there you could see he didn't have the technical ability or intelligence to use his pace properly. From what I've seen, his best showings have been for the England under-21 team.

    I'm not going to say Walcott will make it, but Pierre is an idiot to write him off at 18.

    I agree. So what would you say is an appropriate age to write off a player?
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    Post by The Pröfessör Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:18 pm

    Glenn Hysén wrote:Anyone lining up to write off Walcott at 18 is an idiot ok

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    Post by Kimbo Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:22 pm

    I said it at the time, he should never have moved to Arsenal. Southampton would've been perfect for him. <Ale>
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    Post by Torrente Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:22 pm

    A loan deal would certainly be good for Walcott. He's so young that he's bound to underperform if he gets so few minutes. Once Walcott gets a good amount of minutes we'll really see if he's progressing or not IMO.

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