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Rafa vs SAF, the first 3 seasons

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Rafa vs SAF, the first 3 seasons

by Glenarch of the Glen Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:36 am

both managers took over sleeping giants, we can only compare 3 full seasons so far, let's see how they match up

Alex Ferguson, Honours:
FA Cup
Quarter-finalists 1989

Rafael Benítez, Honours:

UEFA Champions League
Winners 2004-05
Runners Up 2006-07

European Super Cup
Winners 2005

FA Cup
Winners 2006

FA Community Shield
Winners 2006

Carling Cup
Runners Up 2005

FIFA Club World Championship
Runners Up 2005

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Re: Rafa vs SAF, the first 3 seasons

by L.r.d Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:45 am

Surprised Houllier was sacked since his first 3 seasons were better as well.....

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Re: Rafa vs SAF, the first 3 seasons

by Batman Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:46 am

How much money did SAF spend in his first 3 seasons compared to Rafa?

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Re: Rafa vs SAF, the first 3 seasons

by L.r.d Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:52 am

Rafa Benitez was appointed manager of Real Valladolid for the 1995-96 season but was sacked after only two wins in 23 games with the club bottom of the Primera División

Alex Ferguson
Aberdeen 1978–1986
Domestic competition

Scottish League: (3) 1979-80, 1983-84, 1984-85
Runners-Up: (2) 1980-81, 1981-82
Scottish Cup: (4) 1981-82, 1982-83, 1983-84, 1985-86
Scottish League Cup: (1) 1985-86
Runners-Up: (2) 1978-79, 1979-80
European competition

European Cup Winners Cup: (1) 1982-83
UEFA Super Cup: (1) 1983-84

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Re: Rafa vs SAF, the first 3 seasons

by L.r.d Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:53 am

Benítez took charge at CA Osasuna in the Segunda División but after only 9 games and one win he was sacked. Oh dear Doh

Doh

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Re: Rafa vs SAF, the first 3 seasons

by Glenarch of the Glen Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:56 am

Batman wrote:How much money did SAF spend in his first 3 seasons compared to Rafa?

he spent big, bearing in mind £1m in those days was like £10m today. Obviosuly he didn't spend £20m on a striker, but he spent club record of £1.8 million on Mark Hughes and broke the British record fee of £2.3 million for Pallister, so it's comparable. This was before multi million TV money

1987
Viv Anderson Arsenal 250.000
Brian McClair Celtic 850.000
Steve Bruce Norwich 825.000

1988
Jim Leighton Aberdeen 750.000
Lee Sharpe Torquay 180.000
Mal Donaghy Luton Town 650.000
Ralph Mine Bristol City 170.000
Mark Hughes Barcelona 1.800.000
Giuliano Mairoana Histon 30.000

1989
Mike Phelan Norwich 750.000
Gary Pallister Middlesbrough 2.300.000
Neill Web Nott. Forest 1.500.000
Brian Carey Corke 100.000
Danny Wallace Southampton 1.200.000
Paul Ince West Ham 1.500.000

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Re: Rafa vs SAF, the first 3 seasons

by Glenarch of the Glen Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:58 am

weak Lrd, Rafa was at Valencia before Liverpool, even you should know that.

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o 2001-02, 2003-04
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Re: Rafa vs SAF, the first 3 seasons

by L.r.d Tue Jan 22, 2008 1:01 am

Yes a side he inherited.

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Re: Rafa vs SAF, the first 3 seasons

by Kimbo Tue Jan 22, 2008 1:02 am

Glenn Hysén wrote:

Batman wrote:How much money did SAF spend in his first 3 seasons compared to Rafa?

he spent big, bearing in mind £1m in those days was like £10m today. Obviosuly he didn't spend £20m on a striker, but he spent club record of £1.8 million on Mark Hughes and broke the British record fee of £2.3 million for Pallister, so it's comparable. This was before multi million TV money

1987
Viv Anderson Arsenal 250.000
Brian McClair Celtic 850.000
Steve Bruce Norwich 825.000

1988
Jim Leighton Aberdeen 750.000
Lee Sharpe Torquay 180.000
Mal Donaghy Luton Town 650.000
Ralph Mine Bristol City 170.000
Mark Hughes Barcelona 1.800.000
Giuliano Mairoana Histon 30.000

1989
Mike Phelan Norwich 750.000
Gary Pallister Middlesbrough 2.300.000
Neill Web Nott. Forest 1.500.000
Brian Carey Corke 100.000
Danny Wallace Southampton 1.200.000
Paul Ince West Ham 1.500.000

Yikes

I never realised. That's a huge amount for the pre-premiership days!!

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Re: Rafa vs SAF, the first 3 seasons

by Glenarch of the Glen Tue Jan 22, 2008 1:03 am

L r d wrote:Yes a side he inherited.

lol!

well nice hearing from you

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Re: Rafa vs SAF, the first 3 seasons

by Sir Harry Flashman Tue Jan 22, 2008 3:45 am

This thread is like Glens masterbation thread - as opposed to get gets laid thread...cos he aint getting any!

Give it up Glen - is this what ye has to resort to make ye feel better? Laughing

Laughing

First 3 season(!) Laughing

Laughing

Doh

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Re: Rafa vs SAF, the first 3 seasons

by lrdsucksgoats Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:43 am

Benitez inherited a much better Liverpool squad than the Man U one Fergie inherited in the 80s.

Since this is constantly used by Liverpool fans as their stock excuse for why Benitez has been SOOOOOO Cr@p in the EPL, they have to accept it applies for Ferguson too.

Unless they are moronic hypocrites. Which, let's face it, being football fans, they probably are.

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Re: Rafa vs SAF, the first 3 seasons

by Glenarch of the Glen Tue Jan 22, 2008 1:20 pm

Lee Dickson wrote:Benitez inherited a much better Liverpool squad than the Man U one Fergie inherited in the 80s.

Oh really? How well researched is this sweeping statement? Norman Whiteside, Paul McGrath and Bryan Robson were the Rooney, Ferdinand and Gerrard of their day.

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Re: Rafa vs SAF, the first 3 seasons

by lrdsucksgoats Tue Jan 22, 2008 1:27 pm

Glenn Hysén wrote:

Lee Dickson wrote:Benitez inherited a much better Liverpool squad than the Man U one Fergie inherited in the 80s.

Oh really? How well researched is this sweeping statement? Norman Whiteside, Paul McGrath and Bryan Robson were the Rooney, Ferdinand and Gerrard of their day.

No they weren't. And Benitez inherited a team with Owen, Gerrard, Carragher, Hamann, Baros, Kewell, Hyypia, Cisse, Finnan, who were the Owen, Gerrard, Carragher, Hamann, Baros, Kewell, Hyypia, Cisse and Finnan of their day.

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Re: Rafa vs SAF, the first 3 seasons

by Parks lives Tue Jan 22, 2008 1:32 pm

Glenn Hysén wrote:

Lee Dickson wrote:Benitez inherited a much better Liverpool squad than the Man U one Fergie inherited in the 80s.

Oh really? How well researched is this sweeping statement? Norman Whiteside, Paul McGrath and Bryan Robson were the Rooney, Ferdinand and Gerrard of their day.

& it had to get rid of two of them straight away due to drinking problems.

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Re: Rafa vs SAF, the first 3 seasons

by Roger Hunt Tue Jan 22, 2008 1:36 pm

No, it was his decision - most players drank like that in those days.

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Re: Rafa vs SAF, the first 3 seasons

by Parks lives Tue Jan 22, 2008 1:37 pm

Roger Hunt wrote:No, it was his decision - most players drank like that in those days.

I think McGrath was an exceptional case. He even admits how bad he was back in those days in his book.

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Re: Rafa vs SAF, the first 3 seasons

by Roger Hunt Tue Jan 22, 2008 1:40 pm

Yeah - but he also says that he put in some great performances p***ed.

Don't get me wrong - Fergie made the right decision and that was proven in time. But at the time most managers would have lived with it.

Remember as well that Man U under Fergie finished 2nd (in I think 1988) and then went backwards in league positions before winning in 92.

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Re: Rafa vs SAF, the first 3 seasons

by Parks lives Tue Jan 22, 2008 1:53 pm

Actually 93 was the first win.

88 - 2nd
89 - 11th
90 - 13th
91 - 6th
92 - 2nd
93 - 1st

Then he went

94 - 1st
95 - 2nd
96 - 1st
97 - 1st
98 - 2nd
99 - 1st
00 - 1st
01 - 1st
02 -2nd
03 - 1st
04 - 3rd
05 - 3rd
06 - 2nd
07 - 1st
08 - 1st*

* still ongoing.

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Re: Rafa vs SAF, the first 3 seasons

by Roger Hunt Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:00 pm

Thanks. But my point is - if Rafa had finished 11th and 13th in his 2nd and 3rd seasons d'you think he'd still be at the club?

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Re: Rafa vs SAF, the first 3 seasons

by lrdsucksgoats Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:00 pm

Roger Hunt wrote:Yeah - but he also says that he put in some great performances p***ed.

Which only goes to show the difference between the game 20 years ago and the game now.

Not really an appropriate comparison, though I can see a point somewhere deep inside the Wummery of this thread.

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Re: Rafa vs SAF, the first 3 seasons

by Parks lives Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:06 pm

Roger Hunt wrote:Thanks. But my point is - if Rafa had finished 11th and 13th in his 2nd and 3rd seasons d'you think he'd still be at the club?

Maybe not but it was a completely different league then. There wasn't the giant leaps from the top 4 down to the next level like there is now.

We finished 25 points off 1st in 1989 when we finished 11th, when Chelsea won it in 2005 you were 37 points off.

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Re: Rafa vs SAF, the first 3 seasons

by Glenarch of the Glen Wed Jan 23, 2008 11:02 pm

Parks lives wrote:

Roger Hunt wrote:Thanks. But my point is - if Rafa had finished 11th and 13th in his 2nd and 3rd seasons d'you think he'd still be at the club?

Maybe not but it was a completely different league then. There wasn't the giant leaps from the top 4 down to the next level like there is now.

We finished 25 points off 1st in 1989 when we finished 11th, when Chelsea won it in 2005 you were 37 points off.

interesting choice of stats, picking our worst and your best. Doesn't change the fact that it took Fergus 6 years and seemingly bottomless sack of cash to turn United into a force. Rafa won the Champions League in S01 and has met minimum expectations every season since, yet some clowns on here try to paint him as an idiot. Even in the midst of what is fast becoming a crisis season we're still favourites to finish in the top 4 and are in 2 cups. Fergie is a c**t Ale

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Re: Rafa vs SAF, the first 3 seasons

by Machiavel Wed Jan 23, 2008 11:10 pm

Will Rafa be given the time to win the Premiership?

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Re: Rafa vs SAF, the first 3 seasons

by L.r.d Wed Jan 23, 2008 11:24 pm

johan neeskens wrote:Will Rafa be given the time to win the Premiership?

That a trick question?

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Re: Rafa vs SAF, the first 3 seasons

by L.r.d Wed Jan 23, 2008 11:26 pm

Herdís Sigurgrímsdóttir wrote:

Parks lives wrote:

Roger Hunt wrote:Thanks. But my point is - if Rafa had finished 11th and 13th in his 2nd and 3rd seasons d'you think he'd still be at the club?

Maybe not but it was a completely different league then. There wasn't the giant leaps from the top 4 down to the next level like there is now.

We finished 25 points off 1st in 1989 when we finished 11th, when Chelsea won it in 2005 you were 37 points off.

interesting choice of stats, picking our worst and your best. Doesn't change the fact that it took Fergus 6 years and seemingly bottomless sack of cash to turn United into a force. Rafa won the Champions League in S01 and has met minimum expectations every season since, yet some clowns on here try to paint him as an idiot. Even in the midst of what is fast becoming a crisis season we're still favourites to finish in the top 4 and are in 2 cups. Fergie is a c**t

Rafa was brought to Liverpool to win the title correct. Liverpool's league finishes under him. 5th, 3rd, 3rd, 4th(at best) Even Houllier finished 2nd once <Ale>

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Re: Rafa vs SAF, the first 3 seasons

by Glenarch of the Glen Wed Jan 23, 2008 11:28 pm

If he's still here in 4 years with a competitive net spend then I see no reason why he can't win the title. The foundation is there, it's a young up and coming squad so another 2-3 signings of Torres' quality we'll be there or thereabouts.

Houlier finished 2nd once, but we were no closer to a title challenge under Houlier than we have been under Rafa.

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Re: Rafa vs SAF, the first 3 seasons

by Parks lives Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:59 pm

Herdís Sigurgrímsdóttir wrote:

Parks lives wrote:

Roger Hunt wrote:Thanks. But my point is - if Rafa had finished 11th and 13th in his 2nd and 3rd seasons d'you think he'd still be at the club?

Maybe not but it was a completely different league then. There wasn't the giant leaps from the top 4 down to the next level like there is now.

We finished 25 points off 1st in 1989 when we finished 11th, when Chelsea won it in 2005 you were 37 points off.

interesting choice of stats, picking our worst and your best.

How is that picking our best?

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Re: Rafa vs SAF, the first 3 seasons

by rza Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:19 pm

I once made a topic about how Alex could have been fired had he started at Man U in this era. He spend as crazy as Rafa but delivered nothing for many seasons.

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Re: Rafa vs SAF, the first 3 seasons

by Balls Grayson Sun Feb 17, 2008 12:13 pm

rza wrote:I once made a topic about how Alex could have been fired had he started at Man U in this era. He spend as crazy as Rafa but delivered nothing for many seasons.

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