Rio or Terry

EMPortuguese wrote:

Nummer 14 wrote:Chivu is simply a c**t who has no respect for the laws of the game rather have opponents sent off than be challenged. Alan Smith made him his bitch
Rio has matured as a player & leader. As for the Pompey o.g. never really cost the team in the long run a simply “human error”. This season he has been heroic. Please do not even think Chivu is better, you just waste your brain cells.

Rio is better than Chivu/Mexes but however its Vida>>>>Rio.

Horse Cr@p.

Pierre Littbarski wrote:

L r d wrote:
He is better than Nesta also

I dunno about that but then I'm not sure anyone is.

Nesta? no way he is still number one

L r d wrote:

BoBo Vieri wrote:

Nummer 14 wrote:

BoBo Vieri wrote:

Nummer 14 wrote:

BoBo Vieri wrote:

Nummer 14 wrote:

BoBo Vieri wrote:can't believe you're actually considering having that doofus Rio as captain

Stop smoking crack. Dofus?? have you seen Manchester United play this season, hes been nothing but immense.

Oh what a well informed reply...

When did i ever refer to his performances this season?

You called him a, and I quote "doofus". So you must not rate him.

doofus means he's an idiot, so i don't know how you made that inference.

If he is a idiot then why is he one of the most inform defenders in Europe? sure in the past he had his critics, but that's all in the past.

Can Idiots do this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bly3qA6YxQ (1:16-1:30)

He's better than Mexes and Chivu, who some (you I beleive) told us otherwise.

Because they are completely separate things, you can be an in form defender yet still be an idiot.

For example, Materazzi is quite clearly an idiot yet he is one of the most inform defenders in the world.

yes idiots can do that, it was ferdinand who did it, he's an idiot...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCjR4lKWmko
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5koxqFEZSs
Theres some nice videos for you to watch


I never made that claim.

He's not better than Chivu. You see, Chivu actually understands things such as the offside rule and how to position yourself rather than just ballwatching. As Baresi said (he actually knows a thing or two about defending), the way Rio plays, you'd think he was looking at himself in the mirror, he's too obsessed with trying to look elegant. A Nesta wannabe.

He is better than Nesta also. The shocking lack of respect for a defender of his quality never fails to amaze me. Baresi again didn't sound like someone who watched him often. He sounded like a guy who saw a few clips and decided to make a ridiculous comment. He reads the game better than anybody which is why last ditch tackles is not usually neccasary. Terry is rated so high in europe and Rio is classes above this guy.
Before roma i loved all that mexes chiva > rio vidic stuff, i knew you would all regret such ridiculous comments.

Rio has made few mistakes in his time, and has been great in major tournaments. These days hes more mature, and a good leader, and is definitly captain material, when he was younger he was a bit of an idiot sure.

Good joke in your first sentence

So just because Baresi didnt rate him, you assume he didnt watch him that much?

His positioning and reading of the game is not as good as someone like Nesta, Carvalho or Chivu hence he's the one who often plays people onside and follows the ball alot, trying to be the hero.

Saying Rio has made a few mistakes in his time is a huge understatement.

BoBo Vieri wrote:

Nummer 14 wrote:Chivu is simply a c**t who has no respect for the laws of the game rather have opponents sent off than be challenged. Alan Smith made him his bitch
Rio has matured as a player & leader. As for the Pompey o.g. never really cost the team in the long run a simply “human error”. This season he has been heroic. Please do not even think Chivu is better, you just waste your brain cells.

So i can't hold my own opinion? geez, whats this forum coming too.

I’m sorry I was acting like a communist totalitarian. My view is your view.

You're trying to argue in favour if Ferdinand, by saying Chivu is a c**t? Do you realise how stupid that is?

Look what do you call a player who tells the referee to send of his opponent and then pat the referee on the back?

Chivu has bad perfomances just like any other defender.

I've used this argument for Rio and you laughed at me

I think Terry is a better leader than Ferdinand personally.

Terry always does his best Butcher impression, doesn't make him the better leader.

You watched Chivu this season?

Not much, but then again you haven't seen Rio this season. I know he's scored more CL goals than him this season and maybe League goals Rio is the Total Defender

I'm with Bobo on this one...Rio is a fantastic defender, but he hasn't got three brain cells. I'd rather give the England captaincy to my dog.

Crouching Tiger wrote:I'm with Bobo on this one...Rio is a fantastic defender, but he hasn't got three brain cells. I'd rather give the England captaincy to my dog.

He's quite intelligent on the pitch and Terry makes far more mistakes for England.

Pierre Littbarski wrote:

Crouching Tiger wrote:I'm with Bobo on this one...Rio is a fantastic defender, but he hasn't got three brain cells. I'd rather give the England captaincy to my dog.

He's quite intelligent on the pitch and Terry makes far more mistakes for England.

Well...He could lead by example, but then I don't think leading by example is particularly beneficial to the rest of the team. I reckon a captain needs to be a good motivator who tells the other players where to go and what to do, not just someone who plays well.

So Rio makes a mistake against Pompey, they lose the game 2-1 yet it doesn't matter because it ended up being irrelevant as United won the title.

Terry makes a mistake against Ecuador, irrelevant as England end up winning the game, yet we're still bringing it up 18 months later to support an argument.

I think Rio's a great defender but the standards on here are laughable at times.

Nummer 14 wrote:

BoBo Vieri wrote:

Nummer 14 wrote:Chivu is simply a c**t who has no respect for the laws of the game rather have opponents sent off than be challenged. Alan Smith made him his bitch
Rio has matured as a player & leader. As for the Pompey o.g. never really cost the team in the long run a simply “human error”. This season he has been heroic. Please do not even think Chivu is better, you just waste your brain cells.

So i can't hold my own opinion? geez, whats this forum coming too.

I’m sorry I was acting like a communist totalitarian. My view is your view.

You're trying to argue in favour if Ferdinand, by saying Chivu is a c**t? Do you realise how stupid that is?

Look what do you call a player who tells the referee to send of his opponent and then pat the referee on the back?

Chivu has bad perfomances just like any other defender.

I've used this argument for Rio and you laughed at me

I think Terry is a better leader than Ferdinand personally.

Terry always does his best Butcher impression, doesn't make him the better leader.

You watched Chivu this season?

Not much, but then again you haven't seen Rio this season. I know he's scored more CL goals than him this season and maybe League goals Rio is the Total Defender

Look, when peoples opinions will differ and we debate and discuss it. When you say things like "Please do not even think Chivu is better" it becomes a bit ridiculous. And its not like Chivu is Titus Bramble or something.

What do you call a player who "forgets" to give a urine sample? But anyway, what he does to the ref isnt really related to his football abilities.

My argument was based around the style of play of the defenders rather than just picking out a single bad match (which you can do for any player no matter how good they are).

And what exactly makes Rio a better leader? the fact he can barely string a sentence together in proper english?

Not much, so therefore, how informed are you? You don't know me or how much football i watch so stop making a fool of yourself with your assumptions.

Great! comparing defenders through goals scored!

I'd expect nothing less from you though!

Crouching Tiger wrote: I reckon a captain needs to be a good motivator who tells the other players where to go and what to do, not just someone who plays well.

So we agreed it shouldn't be Gerrard as well then.

He doesn't even play well for England either.

Parks lives wrote:

Crouching Tiger wrote: I reckon a captain needs to be a good motivator who tells the other players where to go and what to do, not just someone who plays well.

So we agreed it shouldn't be Gerrard as well then.

He doesn't even play well for England either.

Gerrard shouts at people all the time!!! And Stevie me will probably play better for England with the added importance of being captain...it'll make him feel special.

We're ok in defense, but shite in attack. I think the captain needs to push the team forward, so Gerrard would be a good choice, even if all ye Gerrard haters disagree.

S4P wrote:So Rio makes a mistake against Pompey, they lose the game 2-1 yet it doesn't matter because it ended up being irrelevant as United won the title.

Terry makes a mistake against Ecuador, irrelevant as England end up winning the game, yet we're still bringing it up 18 months later to support an argument.

I think Rio's a great defender but the standards on here are laughable at times.

I think the difference was a) it was van der Sar's mistake and b) Rio was great last season despite that game, where as Terry was shaky that whole tournament, like he was in 2004 as well.

BoBo Vieri wrote:

Nummer 14 wrote:

BoBo Vieri wrote:

Nummer 14 wrote:Chivu is simply a c**t who has no respect for the laws of the game rather have opponents sent off than be challenged. Alan Smith made him his bitch
Rio has matured as a player & leader. As for the Pompey o.g. never really cost the team in the long run a simply “human error”. This season he has been heroic. Please do not even think Chivu is better, you just waste your brain cells.

So i can't hold my own opinion? geez, whats this forum coming too.

I’m sorry I was acting like a communist totalitarian. My view is your view.

You're trying to argue in favour if Ferdinand, by saying Chivu is a c**t? Do you realise how stupid that is?

Look what do you call a player who tells the referee to send of his opponent and then pat the referee on the back?

Chivu has bad perfomances just like any other defender.

I've used this argument for Rio and you laughed at me

I think Terry is a better leader than Ferdinand personally.

Terry always does his best Butcher impression, doesn't make him the better leader.

You watched Chivu this season?

Not much, but then again you haven't seen Rio this season. I know he's scored more CL goals than him this season and maybe League goals Rio is the Total Defender

Look, when peoples opinions will differ and we debate and discuss it. When you say things like "Please do not even think Chivu is better" it becomes a bit ridiculous. And its not like Chivu is Titus Bramble or something.

What do you call a player who "forgets" to give a urine sample? But anyway, what he does to the ref isnt really related to his football abilities.

My argument was based around the style of play of the defenders rather than just picking out a single bad match (which you can do for any player no matter how good they are).

And what exactly makes Rio a better leader? the fact he can barely string a sentence together in proper english?

Not much, so therefore, how informed are you? You don't know me or how much football i watch so stop making a fool of yourself with your assumptions.

Great! comparing defenders through goals scored!

I'd expect nothing less from you though!

You bring up an error a simple one he made 4 years ago and one which he was harshly punished for. That was the “turning point” in his career. Rio is technically gifted player on the ball, distribution and passing this is a aspect of his game I’ve come to appreciate in the past couple of years. His presence alone contributes to him being a good leader. Like CT says can he motivate yes he can, his years of experience in the current Manchester United team makes him a good motivator for the young players like Rooney & Ronaldo plus Pique and Simpson.

I would compare Rio to Danny Blind a great leader and technically gifted player. By the way you need to take a chill pill and get a sense of humour, I’m playing with you dawg. You constantly make fun of Rio I don’t know if this is an act.

Look I know enough about Chivu and IMO (this is mine many may share it) I would not say he is better than Rio, fair enough you have your opinion but this is a debate for another time.

Also Vidic will kill Chivu in a fight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaUgN3cIhzw

Since when does 'years of experience' playing for a top team make you a good motivator?

Parks lives wrote:

S4P wrote:So Rio makes a mistake against Pompey, they lose the game 2-1 yet it doesn't matter because it ended up being irrelevant as United won the title.

Terry makes a mistake against Ecuador, irrelevant as England end up winning the game, yet we're still bringing it up 18 months later to support an argument.

I think Rio's a great defender but the standards on here are laughable at times.

I think the difference was a) it was van der Sar's mistake and b) Rio was great last season despite that game, where as Terry was shaky that whole tournament, like he was in 2004 as well.

Shaky as in slicing a couple of clearances. No worse than playing ridiculous long balls which go through to the opposition keeper. Other than the Ecuador mistake I can't think of any others.

Crouching Tiger wrote:

Pierre Littbarski wrote:

Crouching Tiger wrote:I'm with Bobo on this one...Rio is a fantastic defender, but he hasn't got three brain cells. I'd rather give the England captaincy to my dog.

He's quite intelligent on the pitch and Terry makes far more mistakes for England.

Well...He could lead by example, but then I don't think leading by example is particularly beneficial to the rest of the team. I reckon a captain needs to be a good motivator who tells the other players where to go and what to do, not just someone who plays well.

Rio does that. There are some man utd fans who think rooney should be captain of manu or england, this is ridiculous because he is a genuine idiot on the field some of the time. But Rio? the guy is certainly not an idiot these days. And he has captain qualities, and would be our full time captain if it wasnt for one incident, to go along with that he plays well almost all the time, which means you cannot have players who may think why should i listen to this idiot hes playing 10x worse than me.

Terry's off field antics are surely not so great sometimes. Gerrard sounds like an idiot lots of the time. So the competition is not exactly idiot free

Crouching Tiger wrote:Since when does 'years of experience' playing for a top team make you a good motivator?

Ryan Giggs is a good example.

L r d wrote:

Crouching Tiger wrote:

Pierre Littbarski wrote:

Crouching Tiger wrote:I'm with Bobo on this one...Rio is a fantastic defender, but he hasn't got three brain cells. I'd rather give the England captaincy to my dog.

He's quite intelligent on the pitch and Terry makes far more mistakes for England.

Well...He could lead by example, but then I don't think leading by example is particularly beneficial to the rest of the team. I reckon a captain needs to be a good motivator who tells the other players where to go and what to do, not just someone who plays well.

Rio does that. There are some man utd fans who think rooney should be captain of manu or england, this is ridiculous because he is a genuine idiot on the field some of the time. But Rio? the guy is certainly not an idiot these days. And he has captain qualities, and would be our full time captain if it wasnt for one incident, to go along with that he plays well almost all the time, which means you cannot have players who may think why should i listen to this idiot hes playing 10x worse than me.

Terry's off field antics are surely not so great sometimes. Gerrard sounds like an idiot lots of the time. So the competition is not exactly idiot free

True, but ever since that pre-world cup 'Merked' programme with Rio I've not really thought of the bloke as captain material. I'm not going to change my mind. Most footballers aren't that clever, but not all footballers go around going 'merked, brap brap brap.'

Nummer 14 wrote:

BoBo Vieri wrote:

Nummer 14 wrote:

BoBo Vieri wrote:

Nummer 14 wrote:Chivu is simply a c**t who has no respect for the laws of the game rather have opponents sent off than be challenged. Alan Smith made him his bitch
Rio has matured as a player & leader. As for the Pompey o.g. never really cost the team in the long run a simply “human error”. This season he has been heroic. Please do not even think Chivu is better, you just waste your brain cells.

So i can't hold my own opinion? geez, whats this forum coming too.

I’m sorry I was acting like a communist totalitarian. My view is your view.

You're trying to argue in favour if Ferdinand, by saying Chivu is a c**t? Do you realise how stupid that is?

Look what do you call a player who tells the referee to send of his opponent and then pat the referee on the back?

Chivu has bad perfomances just like any other defender.

I've used this argument for Rio and you laughed at me

I think Terry is a better leader than Ferdinand personally.

Terry always does his best Butcher impression, doesn't make him the better leader.

You watched Chivu this season?

Not much, but then again you haven't seen Rio this season. I know he's scored more CL goals than him this season and maybe League goals Rio is the Total Defender

Look, when peoples opinions will differ and we debate and discuss it. When you say things like "Please do not even think Chivu is better" it becomes a bit ridiculous. And its not like Chivu is Titus Bramble or something.

What do you call a player who "forgets" to give a urine sample? But anyway, what he does to the ref isnt really related to his football abilities.

My argument was based around the style of play of the defenders rather than just picking out a single bad match (which you can do for any player no matter how good they are).

And what exactly makes Rio a better leader? the fact he can barely string a sentence together in proper english?

Not much, so therefore, how informed are you? You don't know me or how much football i watch so stop making a fool of yourself with your assumptions.

Great! comparing defenders through goals scored!

I'd expect nothing less from you though!

You bring up an error a simple one he made 4 years ago and one which he was harshly punished for. That was the “turning point” in his career. Rio is technically gifted player on the ball, distribution and passing this is a aspect of his game I’ve come to appreciate in the past couple of years. His presence alone contributes to him being a good leader. Like CT says can he motivate yes he can, his years of experience in the current Manchester United team makes him a good motivator for the young players like Rooney & Ronaldo plus Pique and Simpson.

I would compare Rio to Danny Blind a great leader and technically gifted player. By the way you need to take a chill pill and get a sense of humour, I’m playing with you dawg. You constantly make fun of Rio I don’t know if this is an act.

Look I know enough about Chivu and IMO (this is mine many may share it) I would not say he is better than Rio, fair enough you have your opinion but this is a debate for another time.

Also Vidic will kill Chivu in a fight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaUgN3cIhzw

I only posted that video as a response to yours and to wind you up (obviously worked).

In terms of being technically gifted on the ball and passing range, he doesnt compare to Nesta, Carvalho or Chivu. I guess he impresses a simpleton like you with his showing off and attempts at fancy skills.

Like others said, years of experience don't equate to being a good motivator.

Never saw much of Blind so i can't really comment.

You clearly don't know enough about Chivusince you admit you hardly watch him.

My defender would beat your defender in a fight, very mature...

BoBo Vieri wrote:

Nummer 14 wrote:

BoBo Vieri wrote:

Nummer 14 wrote:

BoBo Vieri wrote:

Nummer 14 wrote:Chivu is simply a c**t who has no respect for the laws of the game rather have opponents sent off than be challenged. Alan Smith made him his bitch
Rio has matured as a player & leader. As for the Pompey o.g. never really cost the team in the long run a simply “human error”. This season he has been heroic. Please do not even think Chivu is better, you just waste your brain cells.

So i can't hold my own opinion? geez, whats this forum coming too.

I’m sorry I was acting like a communist totalitarian. My view is your view.

You're trying to argue in favour if Ferdinand, by saying Chivu is a c**t? Do you realise how stupid that is?

Look what do you call a player who tells the referee to send of his opponent and then pat the referee on the back?

Chivu has bad perfomances just like any other defender.

I've used this argument for Rio and you laughed at me

I think Terry is a better leader than Ferdinand personally.

Terry always does his best Butcher impression, doesn't make him the better leader.

You watched Chivu this season?

Not much, but then again you haven't seen Rio this season. I know he's scored more CL goals than him this season and maybe League goals Rio is the Total Defender

Look, when peoples opinions will differ and we debate and discuss it. When you say things like "Please do not even think Chivu is better" it becomes a bit ridiculous. And its not like Chivu is Titus Bramble or something.

What do you call a player who "forgets" to give a urine sample? But anyway, what he does to the ref isnt really related to his football abilities.

My argument was based around the style of play of the defenders rather than just picking out a single bad match (which you can do for any player no matter how good they are).

And what exactly makes Rio a better leader? the fact he can barely string a sentence together in proper english?

Not much, so therefore, how informed are you? You don't know me or how much football i watch so stop making a fool of yourself with your assumptions.

Great! comparing defenders through goals scored!

I'd expect nothing less from you though!

You bring up an error a simple one he made 4 years ago and one which he was harshly punished for. That was the “turning point” in his career. Rio is technically gifted player on the ball, distribution and passing this is a aspect of his game I’ve come to appreciate in the past couple of years. His presence alone contributes to him being a good leader. Like CT says can he motivate yes he can, his years of experience in the current Manchester United team makes him a good motivator for the young players like Rooney & Ronaldo plus Pique and Simpson.

I would compare Rio to Danny Blind a great leader and technically gifted player. By the way you need to take a chill pill and get a sense of humour, I’m playing with you dawg. You constantly make fun of Rio I don’t know if this is an act.

Look I know enough about Chivu and IMO (this is mine many may share it) I would not say he is better than Rio, fair enough you have your opinion but this is a debate for another time.

Also Vidic will kill Chivu in a fight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaUgN3cIhzw

I only posted that video as a response to yours and to wind you up (obviously worked).

In terms of being technically gifted on the ball and passing range, he doesnt compare to Nesta, Carvalho or Chivu. I guess he impresses a simpleton like you with his showing off and attempts at fancy skills.

Like others said, years of experience don't equate to being a good motivator.

Never saw much of Blind so i can't really comment.

You clearly don't know enough about Chivusince you admit you hardly watch him.

My defender would beat your defender in a fight, very mature...

You judge Rio on his "personality" above his ability as a good defender, look even Totti himself couldn't score past him . Well my work here is done. You now decided to 'name call' oh how so mature of you.

Nummer 14 wrote:

BoBo Vieri wrote:

Nummer 14 wrote:

BoBo Vieri wrote:

Nummer 14 wrote:

BoBo Vieri wrote:

Nummer 14 wrote:Chivu is simply a c**t who has no respect for the laws of the game rather have opponents sent off than be challenged. Alan Smith made him his bitch
Rio has matured as a player & leader. As for the Pompey o.g. never really cost the team in the long run a simply “human error”. This season he has been heroic. Please do not even think Chivu is better, you just waste your brain cells.

So i can't hold my own opinion? geez, whats this forum coming too.

I’m sorry I was acting like a communist totalitarian. My view is your view.

You're trying to argue in favour if Ferdinand, by saying Chivu is a c**t? Do you realise how stupid that is?

Look what do you call a player who tells the referee to send of his opponent and then pat the referee on the back?

Chivu has bad perfomances just like any other defender.

I've used this argument for Rio and you laughed at me

I think Terry is a better leader than Ferdinand personally.

Terry always does his best Butcher impression, doesn't make him the better leader.

You watched Chivu this season?

Not much, but then again you haven't seen Rio this season. I know he's scored more CL goals than him this season and maybe League goals Rio is the Total Defender

Look, when peoples opinions will differ and we debate and discuss it. When you say things like "Please do not even think Chivu is better" it becomes a bit ridiculous. And its not like Chivu is Titus Bramble or something.

What do you call a player who "forgets" to give a urine sample? But anyway, what he does to the ref isnt really related to his football abilities.

My argument was based around the style of play of the defenders rather than just picking out a single bad match (which you can do for any player no matter how good they are).

And what exactly makes Rio a better leader? the fact he can barely string a sentence together in proper english?

Not much, so therefore, how informed are you? You don't know me or how much football i watch so stop making a fool of yourself with your assumptions.

Great! comparing defenders through goals scored!

I'd expect nothing less from you though!

You bring up an error a simple one he made 4 years ago and one which he was harshly punished for. That was the “turning point” in his career. Rio is technically gifted player on the ball, distribution and passing this is a aspect of his game I’ve come to appreciate in the past couple of years. His presence alone contributes to him being a good leader. Like CT says can he motivate yes he can, his years of experience in the current Manchester United team makes him a good motivator for the young players like Rooney & Ronaldo plus Pique and Simpson.

I would compare Rio to Danny Blind a great leader and technically gifted player. By the way you need to take a chill pill and get a sense of humour, I’m playing with you dawg. You constantly make fun of Rio I don’t know if this is an act.

Look I know enough about Chivu and IMO (this is mine many may share it) I would not say he is better than Rio, fair enough you have your opinion but this is a debate for another time.

Also Vidic will kill Chivu in a fight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaUgN3cIhzw

I only posted that video as a response to yours and to wind you up (obviously worked).

In terms of being technically gifted on the ball and passing range, he doesnt compare to Nesta, Carvalho or Chivu. I guess he impresses a simpleton like you with his showing off and attempts at fancy skills.

Like others said, years of experience don't equate to being a good motivator.

Never saw much of Blind so i can't really comment.

You clearly don't know enough about Chivusince you admit you hardly watch him.

My defender would beat your defender in a fight, very mature...

You judge Rio on his "personality" above his ability as a good defender, look even Totti himself couldn't score past him . Well my work here is done. You now decided to 'name call' oh how so mature of you.

Well when this thread is about who should be captain, i think its only fair to look at his personality.

Again you just refer to this Roma match constantly. In the game this season, Totti got the better of Rio plenty of times. Just Roma didnt finish any of their chances.

What because i labelled you as a simpleton? Its not like I called you a c**t or anything.

BoBo Vieri wrote:

Nummer 14 wrote:

BoBo Vieri wrote:

Nummer 14 wrote:

BoBo Vieri wrote:

Nummer 14 wrote:

BoBo Vieri wrote:

Nummer 14 wrote:Chivu is simply a c**t who has no respect for the laws of the game rather have opponents sent off than be challenged. Alan Smith made him his bitch
Rio has matured as a player & leader. As for the Pompey o.g. never really cost the team in the long run a simply “human error”. This season he has been heroic. Please do not even think Chivu is better, you just waste your brain cells.

So i can't hold my own opinion? geez, whats this forum coming too.

I’m sorry I was acting like a communist totalitarian. My view is your view.

You're trying to argue in favour if Ferdinand, by saying Chivu is a c**t? Do you realise how stupid that is?

Look what do you call a player who tells the referee to send of his opponent and then pat the referee on the back?

Chivu has bad perfomances just like any other defender.

I've used this argument for Rio and you laughed at me

I think Terry is a better leader than Ferdinand personally.

Terry always does his best Butcher impression, doesn't make him the better leader.

You watched Chivu this season?

Not much, but then again you haven't seen Rio this season. I know he's scored more CL goals than him this season and maybe League goals Rio is the Total Defender

Look, when peoples opinions will differ and we debate and discuss it. When you say things like "Please do not even think Chivu is better" it becomes a bit ridiculous. And its not like Chivu is Titus Bramble or something.

What do you call a player who "forgets" to give a urine sample? But anyway, what he does to the ref isnt really related to his football abilities.

My argument was based around the style of play of the defenders rather than just picking out a single bad match (which you can do for any player no matter how good they are).

And what exactly makes Rio a better leader? the fact he can barely string a sentence together in proper english?

Not much, so therefore, how informed are you? You don't know me or how much football i watch so stop making a fool of yourself with your assumptions.

Great! comparing defenders through goals scored!

I'd expect nothing less from you though!

You bring up an error a simple one he made 4 years ago and one which he was harshly punished for. That was the “turning point” in his career. Rio is technically gifted player on the ball, distribution and passing this is a aspect of his game I’ve come to appreciate in the past couple of years. His presence alone contributes to him being a good leader. Like CT says can he motivate yes he can, his years of experience in the current Manchester United team makes him a good motivator for the young players like Rooney & Ronaldo plus Pique and Simpson.

I would compare Rio to Danny Blind a great leader and technically gifted player. By the way you need to take a chill pill and get a sense of humour, I’m playing with you dawg. You constantly make fun of Rio I don’t know if this is an act.

Look I know enough about Chivu and IMO (this is mine many may share it) I would not say he is better than Rio, fair enough you have your opinion but this is a debate for another time.

Also Vidic will kill Chivu in a fight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaUgN3cIhzw

I only posted that video as a response to yours and to wind you up (obviously worked).

In terms of being technically gifted on the ball and passing range, he doesnt compare to Nesta, Carvalho or Chivu. I guess he impresses a simpleton like you with his showing off and attempts at fancy skills.

Like others said, years of experience don't equate to being a good motivator.

Never saw much of Blind so i can't really comment.

You clearly don't know enough about Chivusince you admit you hardly watch him.

My defender would beat your defender in a fight, very mature...

You judge Rio on his "personality" above his ability as a good defender, look even Totti himself couldn't score past him . Well my work here is done. You now decided to 'name call' oh how so mature of you.

Well when this thread is about who should be captain, i think its only fair to look at his personality.

Again you just refer to this Roma match constantly. In the game this season, Totti got the better of Rio plenty of times. Just Roma didnt finish any of their chances.

What because i labelled you as a simpleton? Its not like I called you a c**t or anything.

Rio is one of those ‘out going’ dudes, everyone in the (England) team loves him. I believe he is Manchester United’s 3rd captain after Neville & Giggs shows how much SAF rates him. Some of the good captains in history may not have had good personalities but were good.

You speak for everyone on the England team?

He's only 3rd captain by a process of elimination - most of the other players in the team are either too young to be captain or havnt been at the club as long as Rio has.

Terry has proven himself to be a pretty good captain for Chelsea i think and the same with Gerrard at Liverpool. I think they would simply be better choices.

I don’t speak for all the England players they all have said what a good defender and bloke Rio is. Care to explain why Gerrard should be the next England captain?

Nummer 14 wrote:I don’t speak for all the England players they all have said what a good defender and bloke Rio is. Care to explain why Gerrard should be the next England captain?

Because he's already shown he can be a good captain.

Well its not like the England players are going to come out and say yeh he's a dickhead, i hate him.

Rio or Hargreaves are my choices, I voted for the former in this poll. Gerrard has saved Liverpool's butts on many occasions this season, but its a different kettle of fish at International level hence why his place is under threat.

btw do you rate Michael Carrick?

Nummer 14 wrote:Rio or Hargreaves are my choices, I voted for the former in this poll. Gerrard has saved Liverpool's butts on many occasions this season, but its a different kettle of fish at International level hence why his place is under threat.

btw do you rate Michael Carrick?

but this is not about whos performed for england (most havent).

Poor mans Pirlo

BoBo Vieri wrote:

Nummer 14 wrote:Rio or Hargreaves are my choices, I voted for the former in this poll. Gerrard has saved Liverpool's butts on many occasions this season, but its a different kettle of fish at International level hence why his place is under threat.

btw do you rate Michael Carrick?

but this is not about whos performed for england (most havent).

Poor mans Pirlo

Why is form for England not a counter for who should be captain

Parks lives wrote:

BoBo Vieri wrote:

Nummer 14 wrote:Rio or Hargreaves are my choices, I voted for the former in this poll. Gerrard has saved Liverpool's butts on many occasions this season, but its a different kettle of fish at International level hence why his place is under threat.

btw do you rate Michael Carrick?

but this is not about whos performed for england (most havent).

Poor mans Pirlo

Why is form for England not a counter for who should be captain

because someone who plays well doesnt necessarily make a good captain.

& when has a player who's never played well for a team made a good captain?