HomeL r d wrote:shazlx wrote:Ade's goal yesterday was goal of the season. Much better than the goal that won it last year.
Absolute bollocks.
Man Utd on top form is unmatchable. But on your average day Arsenal play fancier stuff, but they're a bunch of a littlegirlsPRE-OP TRANNIES who want to look pretty.
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Who plays the most sexy/entertaining football!!
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Re: Who plays the most sexy/entertaining football!!
by Sir Harry Flashman Thu Jan 31, 2008 2:20 pm
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Re: Who plays the most sexy/entertaining football!!
by Sir Harry Flashman Thu Jan 31, 2008 2:22 pm
Luis wrote:Both play incredible football.
I've voted Arsenal because they have that extra
little bit about them IMO, even the defenders are good footballers. United's defence is suberb but they aren't as easy on the eye as Gallas or Toure.
Obviously Ronaldo is the difference between the two, Arsenal maybe work harder as a unit, but United have Ronaldo, and when you have the best player in the world in your team you're going to play great football. I think he generates confidence to the rest of the players. Arsenal too have a great understanding with one another.
Generally speaking though, Arsenal score the better goals
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L r d wrote:Luis wrote:Both play incredible football.
I've voted Arsenal because they have that extra little bit about them IMO, even the defenders are good footballers. United's defence is suberb but they aren't as easy on the eye as Gallas or Toure.
Rio is better on the ball than both!
Imo
Carvalho > Rio > Toure > Gallas
On the ball.
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Luis wrote:Nummer 14 wrote:This argument Arsenal are the better team because they play as a team is ludicrous, so what if Man United have good individual players they play as a team and can match anything Arsenal can do.
United do function as a team but take Ronaldo out and they wouldn't play as attractive football, whereas if you took Fabregas out the Arsenal team I think they could still produce as good football as they do when he's in the team
I would disagree.
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Re: Who plays the most sexy/entertaining football!!
by Sheffield gunner Thu Jan 31, 2008 2:27 pm
Toure isn't as composed and assured on the ball as some of the others, but I think he is probably the most entertaining centre-back to watch simply because he can't resist going on long surging runs with the ball and keeps shooting from 35 yards. Carvalho and Ferdinand look more comfortable on the ball and pass better than him though.
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Nummer 14 wrote:Luis wrote:Nummer 14 wrote:This argument Arsenal are the better team because they play as a team is ludicrous, so what if Man United have good individual players they play as a team and can match anything Arsenal can do.
United do function as a team but take Ronaldo out and they wouldn't play as attractive football, whereas if you took Fabregas out the Arsenal team I think they could still produce as good football as they do when he's in the team
I would disagree.
It's what football discussions are all about, that's just my opinion, I think everything flows through Ronaldo at United, that's not an insult to the team, everyone does their bit but if he's not on form or if he wasn't there I don't think United would play as well.
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Rio is very overrated in this aspect of his game. Watching Carvalho is great. He's so composed and slick plus he is very cleaver with the ball. He should be playing in an attacking team. Toure is fun but Carvalho is really the classy CB of the PL.
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Usually it doesn't flow, well unless Scholes is there. Its no coincidence that ManU finally have a proper good half with Scholes in the team.Luis wrote:Nummer 14 wrote:Luis wrote:Nummer 14 wrote:This argument Arsenal are the better team because they play as a team is ludicrous, so what if Man United have good individual players they play as a team and can match anything Arsenal can do.
United do function as a team but take Ronaldo out and they wouldn't play as attractive football, whereas if you took Fabregas out the Arsenal team I think they could still produce as good football as they do when he's in the team
I would disagree.
It's what football discussions are all about, that's just my opinion, I think everything flows through Ronaldo at United, that's not an insult to the team, everyone does their bit but if he's not on form or if he wasn't there I don't think United would play as well.
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shazlx wrote:Rio is very overrated in this aspect of his game. Watching Carvalho is great. He's so composed and slick plus he is very cleaver with the ball. He should be playing in an attacking team. Toure is fun but Carvalho is really the classy CB of the PL.
As I am a completely impartial viewer, I can honestly say that Carvalho is the best CB in the PL.
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Re: Who plays the most sexy/entertaining football!!
by Football Genius Thu Jan 31, 2008 2:37 pm
Luis wrote:Nummer 14 wrote:Luis wrote:Nummer 14 wrote:This argument Arsenal are the better team because they play as a team is ludicrous, so what if Man United have good individual players they play as a team and can match anything Arsenal can do.
United do function as a team but take Ronaldo out and they wouldn't play as attractive football, whereas if you took Fabregas out the Arsenal team I think they could still produce as good football as they do when he's in the team
I would disagree.
It's what football discussions are all about, that's just my opinion, I think everything flows through Ronaldo at United, that's not an insult to the team, everyone does their bit but if he's not on form or if he wasn't there I don't think United would play as well.
Whilst Ronaldo is obviously an important player for United, i disagree with the point about everything goes flows through Ronaldo, if anything everything flows through Scholes, you take Scholes out of the team and i think they lose their dynamism.
But Ronaldo is irreplaceable because he scores goals, and right now hes doing it with phenomenal consistancy.
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Luis wrote:Nummer 14 wrote:Luis wrote:Nummer 14 wrote:This argument Arsenal are the better team because they play as a team is ludicrous, so what if Man United have good individual players they play as a team and can match anything Arsenal can do.
United do function as a team but take Ronaldo out and they wouldn't play as attractive football, whereas if you took Fabregas out the Arsenal team I think they could still produce as good football as they do when he's in the team
I would disagree.
It's what football discussions are all about, that's just my opinion, I think everything flows through Ronaldo at United, that's not an insult to the team, everyone does their bit but if he's not on form or if he wasn't there I don't think United would play as well.
Like you’ve said when a player with such confidence and the height of his game it will be hard to drop him or find someone to fill the void. The greats have experienced it like Best, Cruyff & Maradona. But when he is rested Man United still has a good central midfield in Scholes/Carrick/Hargreaves & Anderson and good Wing play in Giggs/Nani or Park, yes Ronaldo is one of the most inform players in Europe and you will miss him but I have said it before Wayne Rooney is the more important and as long as he is in the team, football is a beauty to behold.
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Rooney's phenomenal but not at Ronaldo's level IMO, I honestly think it goes:
Ronaldo
Kaka and Messi
Rooney, Ibra, Drogba, Eto'o (when fully fit)
They're the 3 top tiers at the moment
Ronaldo
Kaka and Messi
Rooney, Ibra, Drogba, Eto'o (when fully fit)
They're the 3 top tiers at the moment
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Rio is a better defender, Carvalho foals and cheats way too much for me to respect him as a defender Also Gallas is better than Carvalho. IMO if only Woodgate never had his problems he would be the best in the world.S4P wrote:shazlx wrote:Rio is very overrated in this aspect of his game. Watching Carvalho is great. He's so composed and slick plus he is very cleaver with the ball. He should be playing in an attacking team. Toure is fun but Carvalho is really the classy CB of the PL.
As I am a completely impartial viewer, I can honestly say that Carvalho is the best CB in the PL.
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shazlx wrote:Rio is a better defender, Carvalho foals and cheats way too much for me to respect him as a defender Also Gallas is better than Carvalho. IMO if only Woodgate never had his problems he would be the best in the world.S4P wrote:shazlx wrote:Rio is very overrated in this aspect of his game. Watching Carvalho is great. He's so composed and slick plus he is very cleaver with the ball. He should be playing in an attacking team. Toure is fun but Carvalho is really the classy CB of the PL.
As I am a completely impartial viewer, I can honestly say that Carvalho is the best CB in the PL.
No i don't agree originally. Rio is fantastic on the ball, sometimes he has games where his passing is careless, but hes comfortable composed and very good all round on the ball. hes pretty skillful if he wants to be also. I think Carvalho has a better shot on him, but for example the volley against newcastle i think Carvalho wouldn't take this as well as Rio did. Both have their breaks forward.
Rio can become an extra central midfield against teams who put 11 behind the ball, its another reason why liverpool for example struggle to break some of these down especially with agger out.
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Carvalho is awesome! Would make it into any defence in the world imo, except for Arsenal where he'd be behind Toure, Gallas and Senderos.
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Re: Who plays the most sexy/entertaining football!!
by Chocolate Thunder Thu Jan 31, 2008 3:20 pm
Football Genius wrote:United for me.
When Arsenal attack, i love the passing but i always think to myself, "when they get to the box i hope they aren't going to just pass the ball around"
When United attack, its fast piercing and commands conviction, although i loath to say it i do admire Fergies attacking philosphy of football.
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Re: Who plays the most sexy/entertaining football!!
by Black Magic Thu Jan 31, 2008 3:47 pm
Both teams play incredible stuff.
To the two North London and Manchester teams.
To the two North London and Manchester teams.
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sActually in regars to what T?S write earlier, Spurs do play great football. IMO better than ManU. and better than Arsene's 451. With Berbatov pulling all the string and Keane and Malbranc (sp) as the supporting acts they are great to watch. For me Berbatov is THE show pony. I love watching him play His touches, his random lay-offs, his vision. A lot like Henry but with more skill. I'm glad Spurs have him rather than a real winner. This way I can (not so) secretly indulge in watching Spurs whist knowing they're not gonna win anything. I remember Luis laughing when I said only ManU could possibly play as good as us and maybe Spurs and ManC. Well ManC are too defensive but Spurs are great to watch.BM wrote:Both teams play incredible stuff.
To the two North London and Manchester teams.
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Re: Who plays the most sexy/entertaining football!!
by Allez les rouges Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:22 pm
shazlx wrote:Well you know, I prefer team goals. That goal was so fact and clinical you couldn't stop it.Allez les rouges wrote:shazlx wrote:Ade's goal yesterday was goal of the season. Much better than the goal that won it last year.
There was at least one far better goal in the same game!!
Hm Shaz, I like team goals as much as anyone else, but as good a cross and header as that was, surely we've done better this season, in this game for instance:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RPRhMfjSb8
I admire your fearless idiosyncratic fundamentalism on many issues, but here your take on things is just too perplexing for me!
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OK you win. We do score some great goalsAllez les rouges wrote:shazlx wrote:Well you know, I prefer team goals. That goal was so fact and clinical you couldn't stop it.Allez les rouges wrote:shazlx wrote:Ade's goal yesterday was goal of the season. Much better than the goal that won it last year.
There was at least one far better goal in the same game!!
Hm Shaz, I like team goals as much as anyone else, but as good a cross and header as that was, surely we've done better this season, in this game for instance:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RPRhMfjSb8
I admire your fearless idiosyncratic fundamentalism on many issues, but here your take on things is just too perplexing for me!
. I was trying to point out that it was better than the one that won it last season.
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Re: Who plays the most sexy/entertaining football!!
by lrdsucksgoats Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:48 pm
Just checking something...
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shazlx wrote:Rio is a better defender, Carvalho foals and cheats way too much for me to respect him as a defender Also Gallas is better than Carvalho. IMO if only Woodgate never had his problems he would be the best in the world.S4P wrote:shazlx wrote:Rio is very overrated in this aspect of his game. Watching Carvalho is great. He's so composed and slick plus he is very cleaver with the ball. He should be playing in an attacking team. Toure is fun but Carvalho is really the classy CB of the PL.
As I am a completely impartial viewer, I can honestly say that Carvalho is the best CB in the PL.
It comes down to personal preference imo. I prefer CBs who rely more on skill and speed of mind (e.g. Carvalho) than raw pace (e.g. Gallas, King etc).
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Re: Who plays the most sexy/entertaining football!!
by lrdsucksgoats Sat Feb 02, 2008 4:08 pm
As I've said so many times - personal preference is bullshit. Carvalho and Ferdinand are a dead heat in the race for best CB in the Premiership. Terry, Vidic, Carragher, Alex and so on are much of a muchness, though obviously have different strengths and weaknesses, a short step down from those two.
Truth is, there are a lot of hefty but essentially talentless centrehalves in the Premiership. This is where, in my opinion, the problems of the English league originate. Our centrehalves have to be able to do two things - head the ball and run reasonably fast. Being able to turn defence into attack is pretty low down on the list. So much so that, as has been discussed before, we like to think of our ballplaying centrehalves such as Ferdinand as a match for their continental equivalents.
For the Premiership, Ferdinand is an excellent passer and dribbler of the ball (for a CB). Compared the rest of the world, he's merely good in this respect.
Tactically, the majority of PL managers overlook the offensive role centrebacks play. Or at least, seem willing to sacrifice it in favour of some Scottish psycho who'll get sent off twice a season but win a lot of headers from corners. They don't even compromise - one brute, one for the cigar position. It's often two brutes, with a couple of fullbacks in the wide midfield positions as well.
The league used to be more positive, more adventurous. But now there's such a 'cover your own ass' mentality that the few genuinely good attacking teams get hyped to high heaven...
Truth is, there are a lot of hefty but essentially talentless centrehalves in the Premiership. This is where, in my opinion, the problems of the English league originate. Our centrehalves have to be able to do two things - head the ball and run reasonably fast. Being able to turn defence into attack is pretty low down on the list. So much so that, as has been discussed before, we like to think of our ballplaying centrehalves such as Ferdinand as a match for their continental equivalents.
For the Premiership, Ferdinand is an excellent passer and dribbler of the ball (for a CB). Compared the rest of the world, he's merely good in this respect.
Tactically, the majority of PL managers overlook the offensive role centrebacks play. Or at least, seem willing to sacrifice it in favour of some Scottish psycho who'll get sent off twice a season but win a lot of headers from corners. They don't even compromise - one brute, one for the cigar position. It's often two brutes, with a couple of fullbacks in the wide midfield positions as well.
The league used to be more positive, more adventurous. But now there's such a 'cover your own ass' mentality that the few genuinely good attacking teams get hyped to high heaven...
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Re: Who plays the most sexy/entertaining football!!
by The Pröfessör Sat Feb 02, 2008 4:09 pm
Huey wrote:Man U, no question. More varied play, better counterattacking, more unpredictable, better dribblers, better passers, worse finishers.
No. Question.
But even Man U are behind Spurs, obviously.
that's the biggest load of Cr@p that is widely believed on this board. Manu only have one way of playing: gung ho all the way!
See how average they look when they try to play controlled/possession game.
We can play possession footy, sit back and counter( though not as good as we used to), or play route one football( as everton and others can tell u).
People just keep repeating things that were true about us say 3-4 seasons ago, but we are a completely different now. We have the 3rd highest headed goals in the league, that should tell u something.
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What I mean though saints is that shaz may prefer defenders who are quick - such as Gallas and King - while I prefer good ball-players and defenders who can't rely on pace and so have to be a step ahead in their awareness (e.g. Carvalho and Ferdinand). It's just something we all have to agree to disagree on imo.
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Re: Who plays the most sexy/entertaining football!!
by The Easter Bunny Sat Feb 02, 2008 4:17 pm
Luis wrote:Rooney's phenomenal but not at Ronaldo's level IMO, I honestly think it goes:
Ronaldo
Kaka and Messi
Rooney, Ibra, Drogba, Eto'o (when fully fit)
They're the 3 top tiers at the moment
hm Ibra on fire or Kaka?
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This game against Spurs should show why I don't rate Rio as a ball player. When a goal down under pressure Toure or Gallas would take risks and move forward. Rio, however, plays it backwards and long to nobody.
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Re: Who plays the most sexy/entertaining football!!
by Isco Benny Sat Feb 02, 2008 5:00 pm
shazlx wrote:This game against Spurs should show why I don't rate Rio as a ball player. When a goal down under pressure Toure or Gallas would take risks and move forward. Rio, however, plays it backwards and long to nobody.
Incredible. One game, dismissing the countless top class performances in the past.
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This game is to demonstrae what I meant. There have been other performance like this (especially for England). You might not notice it because ManU are rarely both loosing and under pressure.Senor Woody wrote:shazlx wrote:This game against Spurs should show why I don't rate Rio as a ball player. When a goal down under pressure Toure or Gallas would take risks and move forward. Rio, however, plays it backwards and long to nobody.
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Re: Who plays the most sexy/entertaining football!!
by lrdsucksgoats Sat Feb 02, 2008 6:08 pm
Agooner wrote:Huey wrote:Man U, no question. More varied play, better counterattacking, more unpredictable, better dribblers, better passers, worse finishers.
No. Question.
But even Man U are behind Spurs, obviously.
that's the biggest load of Cr@p that is widely believed on this board. Manu only have one way of playing: gung ho all the way!
See how average they look when they try to play controlled/possession game.
We can play possession footy, sit back and counter( though not as good as we used to), or play route one football( as everton and others can tell u).
People just keep repeating things that were true about us say 3-4 seasons ago, but we are a completely different now. We have the 3rd highest headed goals in the league, that should tell u something.
I thought you weren't responding to my posts anymore?
Funny...