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Congratulations to the Redbloods, you guys played some fantastic footy, while robbing our players of their dignity along the way.
From the opening 10 minutes it became apparent that the players didn't care and their main objective was to not get injured and exert as little energy as possible along the way. That simply isn't good enough against your bitterest rivals.
Rooney as well as Man Utd's fringe players were fantastic. I've never watched a match where Rooney didn't give 100% for the cause, whether it be an exhibition in China or a CL tie against Milan. It was obvious that the fringe players wanted to prove themselves today, I mean it was a great opportunity to show the Red nosed twat what they are capable of. Simply put, they wanted it more, they genuinely wanted to win the game, a complete opposite to our players which is disgraceful, if you're not going to care about a match then don't play at all, let the under 16's have a run out for all I care. I won't be too harsh on the midfielders though, it's a bit hard to play well when your lone striker has the touch of a rapist.
Gilberto out! I feel seriously sorry for the man now, it's getting a bit embarrassing seeing him get dicked on every time he plays. It's no coincidence that we've been poor whenever he has played.
Traore has gone backwards in his development. We all knew he couldn't defend which is a bit of a problem in moments like that. I don't know what to make of Hoyte, he has been good all season but as soon as he sees a glimmer of skill he shits his pants and doesn't know what to do.
Eboue is a c*nt, I dislike him immensely.
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BM wrote:Traore has gone backwards in his development. We all knew he couldn't defend which is a bit of a problem in moments like that.
Isn't he only 17? Give him some time. Going into a match like that with very little football behind him was always going to be difficult. If you want to knock youngsters on their performances now you could argue that Walcott, who has had more experience and is slightly older than Traore, hasn't, so far, developed into anything like the player people were predicting a couple of years ago.
Agree with you on the rest though
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Man. Utd. - Arsenal:
I don't think you can make any serious deductions about the title race based on this match...the Arsenal players were blatantly disinterested, and some of their backups who started were simply awful. Traore on the 2nd goal, wtf was he doing
Glad Eboue got sent off, he's a dirty diving (yes I still remember May 2006) c**t. Saints saying Fletcher>Fabregas or Flamini is obviously just a windup...it's easy to do well when you're in the team fighting for a more permanent place, whereas the Arsenal midfielders are just strolling about trying to avoid injury for midweek.
Don't get me wrong, it was a great performance, but Arsenal have showed they are for real in the league, so Man. Utd. fans shouldn't get too excited.
Also, does someone have a video of Nani's showboating in the 2nd half? I only watched till halftime.
Liverpool-Barnsley:
Well, a big shock obviously, but I just wanted to point out a couple of things:
1. Alonso's through ball to Benayoun (soon after Barnsley's equaliser) - simply magnificent
2. Luke Steele's reflex save at the near post after Benayoun had made a long run from the corner and shot...save of the season IMO
I don't think you can make any serious deductions about the title race based on this match...the Arsenal players were blatantly disinterested, and some of their backups who started were simply awful. Traore on the 2nd goal, wtf was he doing
Glad Eboue got sent off, he's a dirty diving (yes I still remember May 2006) c**t. Saints saying Fletcher>Fabregas or Flamini is obviously just a windup...it's easy to do well when you're in the team fighting for a more permanent place, whereas the Arsenal midfielders are just strolling about trying to avoid injury for midweek.
Don't get me wrong, it was a great performance, but Arsenal have showed they are for real in the league, so Man. Utd. fans shouldn't get too excited.
Also, does someone have a video of Nani's showboating in the 2nd half? I only watched till halftime.
Liverpool-Barnsley:
Well, a big shock obviously, but I just wanted to point out a couple of things:
1. Alonso's through ball to Benayoun (soon after Barnsley's equaliser) - simply magnificent
2. Luke Steele's reflex save at the near post after Benayoun had made a long run from the corner and shot...save of the season IMO
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BM wrote:
From the opening 10 minutes it became apparent that the players didn't care and their main objective was to not get injured and exert as little energy as possible along the way. That simply isn't good enough against your bitterest rivals.
As I pointed out to another Arsenal fan on the Man U thread - this simply is not true. If Arsenal didn't care then why put on your best striker, who has been receiving treatment for a minor injury, three days before arguably your biggest game of the season so far? Why risk it?
Clearly Wenger cared, as he tried to rescue the result, or at least the scoreline. Same thing as against Spurs in the Carling Cup, when y'all came out with this same 'we don't care' bullshit.
If the objective was to avoid injury then why did Arsenal try to provoke several fights through persistent fouling in the second half? When you foul someone you're relatively likely to pick up injuries yourself. Why risk it? Clearly the players did care.
If the objective was to conserve energy for the Milan match then why did Hoyte chase after Nani so aggressively, foul him three times in five seconds, fall over pretending to have been fouled himself, only to get up and chase after Nani again (who was in a completely unthreatening position) and foul him once more? Clearly Hoyte cared. So did the Arsenal player who along with Hoyte went to kick Nani for showboating.
Face it, the 'we clearly didn't care' excuse is bullshit. It does not represent Arsenal's clear attitude in the game and the decisions that they made. You played terribly, just as Man U did a week ago against City. In both games, the opposition played well and fully deserved their victory. After the Man U game did you hear a load of Man U making excuses about it being the Munich memorial, an emotionally draining time for everyone in the club and so on? Did you f@ck.
Why can't you Arsenal fans just accept that you didn't play well and it had nothing to do with saving energy or not giving a $h!t, and everything to do with the players just playing badly, making the wrong decisions, making mistakes, mishitting the ball and so on? Everyone would have a lot more respect for you if you could have the balls to admit this. But you don't. So everyone will carry on taking the piss out of your attitude, and rightly so.
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You put on Adebayor so that he can have a run-out and make sure his injury is fine and he is mentally sure about it before the big 90 mins in midweek.
Fouling someone and picking up injuries yourself? Not really that likely, plus adrenalin and being poor losers also kicks in.
Hoyte can run all he wants, he's probably not going to play against Milan.
Things like making wrong decisions, mishitting passes, etc. all happen when mentally you are not up for it. I'm not defending Arsenal, and yes, they did play much worse than Man. Utd, and yes, Ferguson won the battle of playing the weakest team possible but still winning...but Arsenal fans do have a point.
Fouling someone and picking up injuries yourself? Not really that likely, plus adrenalin and being poor losers also kicks in.
Hoyte can run all he wants, he's probably not going to play against Milan.
Things like making wrong decisions, mishitting passes, etc. all happen when mentally you are not up for it. I'm not defending Arsenal, and yes, they did play much worse than Man. Utd, and yes, Ferguson won the battle of playing the weakest team possible but still winning...but Arsenal fans do have a point.
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kas wrote:Man. Utd. - Arsenal:
I don't think you can make any serious deductions about the title race based on this match...the Arsenal players were blatantly disinterested, and some of their backups who started were simply awful. Traore on the 2nd goal, wtf was he doing
Glad Eboue got sent off, he's a dirty diving (yes I still remember May 2006) c**t. Saints saying Fletcher>Fabregas or Flamini is obviously just a windup...it's easy to do well when you're in the team fighting for a more permanent place, whereas the Arsenal midfielders are just strolling about trying to avoid injury for midweek.
Don't get me wrong, it was a great performance, but Arsenal have showed they are for real in the league, so Man. Utd. fans shouldn't get too excited.
Also, does someone have a video of Nani's showboating in the 2nd half? I only watched till halftime.
You can make lots of serious deductions from this match. These awful backups were touted as being in the 5th best premiership team due to a few carling cup results. I have heard time and time again that Traore was going to be as good if not better than Clichy.
If the Arsenal players were so disinterested they would rather get beat 4-0 than pick up any injuries, why did they act like madmen and nearly get 3-4 sent off? Gallas could well still be banned for his kick.
In 99 the title looked like Arsenal's, but the f.a cup match also turned the league in our favour, the same thing shall happen here!
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kas wrote:Man. Utd. - Arsenal:
I don't think you can make any serious deductions about the title race based on this match...the Arsenal players were blatantly disinterested, and some of their backups who started were simply awful. Traore on the 2nd goal, wtf was he doing
Glad Eboue got sent off, he's a dirty diving (yes I still remember May 2006) c**t. Saints saying Fletcher>Fabregas or Flamini is obviously just a windup...it's easy to do well when you're in the team fighting for a more permanent place, whereas the Arsenal midfielders are just strolling about trying to avoid injury for midweek.
This isn't true. If you'd watched the whole match you would have seen Arsenal being very interested in the second half, and playing very dirty and making risky substitutions to try to alter the game.
Don't get me wrong, it was a great performance, but Arsenal have showed they are for real in the league, so Man. Utd. fans shouldn't get too excited.
Arsenal have showed that when it comes to the crunch, they are capable of playing very badly. As they did yesterday. The excuses you've offered, which the Arsenal propagandists have tried to pawn off on us as well, are simply untrue given what actually happened in the match.
Also, does someone have a video of Nani's showboating in the 2nd half? I only watched till halftime.
Lrd posted a vid on the other thread I think, the 'let's all laugh at' one.
Since you only watched until halftime, I suggest to you that you cannot be in any position to judge the match, Arsenal's attitude, why the game went the way that it did. Even in the first half Arsenal played a lot dirtier than Man U did, showing that they did give a toss, they just didn't play well on the day.
There's no shame in admitting this. Southampton played woefully yesterday. I have no problem saying this. Nor does Rasiak. Nor do the fans of dozens of other clubs here. Why do Arsenal fans have a mental block towards admitting that their team played badly and that no excuse is available to them. Man U are also playing a tough game in midweek, but you didn't see them slacking off.
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kas wrote:
Don't get me wrong, it was a great performance, but Arsenal have showed they are for real in the league, so Man. Utd. fans shouldn't get too excited.
Unfucking believable. Don't get excited about beating one of your main rivals 4-0!??!
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Parks lives wrote:kas wrote:
Don't get me wrong, it was a great performance, but Arsenal have showed they are for real in the league, so Man. Utd. fans shouldn't get too excited.
Unfucking believable. Don't get excited about beating one of your main rivals 4-0!??!
He was referring to the league spank
You know fine well this result has little reflection on reality of the current situation of both teams
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How do you know until the remaining games have been played out? We've beaten Arsenal before and thrown them off course, like in 2004-2005.
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kas wrote:You put on Adebayor so that he can have a run-out and make sure his injury is fine and he is mentally sure about it before the big 90 mins in midweek.
Mentally sure about it? In a game where Arsenal are supposedly 'not interested'? You're taking this piss. I'm not that stupid. It is NO mental preparation for the 'big 90 minutes' playing in a game where your team are 'not interested'.
This is really poor, and you're clutching at straws. Just admit it - Arsenal were $h!t. It doesn't make them a $h!t team, or a bunch of bottlers, or any other generalisation. It just means that in one game they really played badly.
Fouling someone and picking up injuries yourself? Not really that likely, plus adrenalin and being poor losers also kicks in.
If you kick someone then you can easily injure your own foot. I've seen countless players get injured when fouling other players.
Hoyte can run all he wants, he's probably not going to play against Milan.
He might well do. Sagna's problem (whatever it is) could still be affecting him, and Wenger's hardly likely to put him in the starting XI if his mind is elsewhere. Eboue isn't going to play rightback after that performance.
And that's not the point - Arsenal chased down Man U's winger midway inside his own half when even if they had won the ball and gone on to score it'd have made no difference. They were interested. Your excuse is simply not true.
And since you didn't see the incident before making your remarks, you're on weak ground.
Things like making wrong decisions, mishitting passes, etc. all happen when mentally you are not up for it. I'm not defending Arsenal, and yes, they did play much worse than Man. Utd, and yes, Ferguson won the battle of playing the weakest team possible but still winning...but Arsenal fans do have a point.
No, they don't. Nor do you. You are defending Arsenal, making excuses, deflecting attention away from just saying 'for those 90 minutes, Arsenal were shit'. No other team has this problem. Why do you suppose that is?
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Yes, I meant comments about the league situation (I think lrd made one a few pages back)...many times Arsenal were written off this season but they kept winning. Plus, just like you said, we don't know until the games have actually been played out - you have knocked Arsenal off course, but they have also won the title at Old Trafford. So drawing any judgments on this basis is premature.
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@saints, ok fair enough, I didn't watch the 2nd half and assumed it went the same way as the 1st (would still like to hear Arsenal or other neutral fans' version of whether things were actually as you describe them), and that may condition my opinions. But basically what I'm saying is there are always a mixture of reasons why a team loses a match - last night it was poor mental preparation, losing the battle of the replacements, and poor performances (and better ones by Man. Utd, plus home support as well)...and all the factors are inter-linked.
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Parks lives wrote:How do you know until the remaining games have been played out? We've beaten Arsenal before and thrown them off course, like in 2004-2005.
Firstly because half of the arsenal reserves were playing. I also know united's were which only further adds to my point of the result bearing no reflection on the league
Secondly, the 'didn't put any effort in' point is relevant despite all the people pointing out otherwise. It was clear purely from watching the way arsenal were closing down, running from midfield etc etc that this was not the typical performance arsenal have been putting in all season. Their heads dropped early on and they simply gave up. Just as you stuffing a roma team who simply gave up last season had little reflection on your next game in the CL last season, this will be exactly the same. It's a great result obviously, but must be received in the correct context as I think it will be by Fergie et al.
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kas wrote:Yes, I meant comments about the league situation (I think lrd made one a few pages back)...many times Arsenal were written off this season but they kept winning. Plus, just like you said, we don't know until the games have actually been played out - you have knocked Arsenal off course, but they have also won the title at Old Trafford. So drawing any judgments on this basis is premature.
The game at Old Trafford was a deciding game, so it's completely different.
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COTR wrote:Parks lives wrote:How do you know until the remaining games have been played out? We've beaten Arsenal before and thrown them off course, like in 2004-2005.
Firstly because half of the arsenal reserves were playing. I also know united's were which only further adds to my point of the result bearing no reflection on the league
Secondly, the 'didn't put any effort in' point is relevant despite all the people pointing out otherwise. It was clearly purely from watching the way arsenal were closing down, running from midfield etc etc that this was not the typical performance arsenal have been putting in all season. Their heads dropped early on and they simply gave up. Just as you stuffing a roma team who simply gave up last season had little reflection on your next game in the CL last season, this will be exactly the same. It's a great result obviously, but must be received in the correct context as I think it will be by Fergie et al.
Cesc, Hleb, Toure, Gallas, Eduardo, Eboue have all been regular starters this season Eduardo only recently in the last two months, and Lehmann has started the last few games also.
I didn't say anywhere it would effect the league like kas said, but a lot of football is pyschological and mental. You just have to look at Gerrard's words about your lovely owners to realise that.
Being beaten 4-0 by a team widely regarded as superior when you were looking like beating them to the title, may just raise doubts, make you think they are superior when it comes to the crunch.
The carling cup team really was a reserve team, so the 5-1 to Tottenham wouldn't be so damaging mentally. But yesterday could be for sure.
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L r d wrote:
Being beaten 4-0 by a team widely regarded as superior when you were looking like beating them to the title, may just raise doubts, make you think they are superior when it comes to the crunch.
Come on lrd
This is just about the worst type of speculative bullshit you could type
I actually have not read much from united fans thinking this will imapct upon the league. It will all be forgotten about come next week. Both sets of players have much bigger items on their agenda midweek
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kas wrote:@saints, ok fair enough, I didn't watch the 2nd half and assumed it went the same way as the 1st (would still like to hear Arsenal or other neutral fans' version of whether things were actually as you describe them), and that may condition my opinions. But basically what I'm saying is there are always a mixture of reasons why a team loses a match - last night it was poor mental preparation, losing the battle of the replacements, and poor performances (and better ones by Man. Utd, plus home support as well)...and all the factors are inter-linked.
Of course there are a mixture of reasons, I'm saying that there are no excuses. Arsenal didn't turn up on the day, and reacted to getting outplayed in a stupid manner. It may or may not be a turning point for the rest of the season, you're right in that we can't judge that yet. But I'm not having cheap excuses thrown into the mix just because a side that can play much better had a very bad day at the office. Practically every side I've seen this season has had very poor games, it doesn't make them Cr@p sides. But all fans should be able to just accept the odd genuinely shite performance without reaching for desperate and unrealistic excuses.
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Arsenal should have played their Carling Cup Crew if their so called “1st team players” were disinterested. This same Carling Cup Crew touted as the 5th best team in England, either way there was no stopping Manchester United last night.
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Going out early of all these cup competitions might actually be a blessing in disguise( less distraction, fitter and fresher players etc). It was the manner of the defeat yesterday that pissed me off, not losing away to manu(which i consider perfectly normal).
Ofcourse as a fan u want your club to win everything there's to win, but hey, we came into this season people expecting us to be fighting out with spurs for 4th place but here we are 5 points clear with 12 games to go. Still a lot of matches to play i know, but it puts us into a strong position and i won't give a toss about going out of cup competitions if we end up winning the pl title come the end of the season.
Ofcourse as a fan u want your club to win everything there's to win, but hey, we came into this season people expecting us to be fighting out with spurs for 4th place but here we are 5 points clear with 12 games to go. Still a lot of matches to play i know, but it puts us into a strong position and i won't give a toss about going out of cup competitions if we end up winning the pl title come the end of the season.
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Hlebtastic wrote:Going out early of all these cup competitions might actually be a blessing in disguise( less distraction, fitter and fresher players etc). It was the manner of the defeat yesterday that pissed me off, not losing away to manu(which i consider perfectly normal).
Ofcourse as a fan u want your club to win everything there's to win, but hey, we came into this season people expecting us to be fighting out with spurs for 4th place but here we are 5 points clear with 12 games to go. Still a lot of matches to play i know, but it puts us into a strong position and i won't give a toss about going out of cup competitions if we end up winning the pl title come the end of the season.
Well done, a positive post that doesn't make cheap excuses.
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Hlebtastic wrote:Going out early of all these cup competitions might actually be a blessing in disguise( less distraction, fitter and fresher players etc). It was the manner of the defeat yesterday that pissed me off, not losing away to manu(which i consider perfectly normal).
Ofcourse as a fan u want your club to win everything there's to win, but hey, we came into this season people expecting us to be fighting out with spurs for 4th place but here we are 5 points clear with 12 games to go. Still a lot of matches to play i know, but it puts us into a strong position and i won't give a toss about going out of cup competitions if we end up winning the pl title come the end of the season.
If you win the title of course this turns out not to be a significant result. Losing away to man utd is not a disaster. But to lose 4-0 and it could have been a lot more could well have a bad affect mentally. And psychologically think about opposing teams playing against Arsenal. Will they be so scared? fear Arsenal so much? maybe now they will play Arsenal and before the game speak about this big 4-0, the 5-1 and actually believe they can beat Arsenal.
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There is a possibility of Arsenal not winning the Premiership and if they also fail to win the Champions League this will be 3 seasons going trophyless. Wenger said his current team can’t compete for 3 trophies maybe if Arsenal does end up with nothing people will look back and question.
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Nummer 14 wrote:There is a possibility of Arsenal not winning the Premiership and if they also fail to win the Champions League this will be 3 seasons going trophyless. Wenger said his current team can’t compete for 3 trophies maybe if Arsenal does end up with nothing people will look back and question.
The key is how Arsenal react. Previously this season they've bounced back pretty well from losing games and poor performances. This is the second heavy defeat and seriously bad performance in just over three weeks. Their confidence must have been hit by this, so we'll see if they can get it back in time for Wednesday otherwise this season really could spiral down the shitter.
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Fletcher>Fabregas wrote:kas wrote:@saints, ok fair enough, I didn't watch the 2nd half and assumed it went the same way as the 1st (would still like to hear Arsenal or other neutral fans' version of whether things were actually as you describe them), and that may condition my opinions. But basically what I'm saying is there are always a mixture of reasons why a team loses a match - last night it was poor mental preparation, losing the battle of the replacements, and poor performances (and better ones by Man. Utd, plus home support as well)...and all the factors are inter-linked.
Of course there are a mixture of reasons, I'm saying that there are no excuses. Arsenal didn't turn up on the day, and reacted to getting outplayed in a stupid manner. It may or may not be a turning point for the rest of the season, you're right in that we can't judge that yet. But I'm not having cheap excuses thrown into the mix just because a side that can play much better had a very bad day at the office. Practically every side I've seen this season has had very poor games, it doesn't make them Cr@p sides. But all fans should be able to just accept the odd genuinely shite performance without reaching for desperate and unrealistic excuses.
I don't think kas is an Arsenal supporter making excuses. He is a Barcelona supporter making his observations on the game. Of course it was a shite performance, we lost 4-0 and it could have been worse. It was just like the semi-final of the Carling Cup but we bounced back from that in the next league match so no need to throw the towel in yet.
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Sir Les wrote:
I don't think kas is an Arsenal supporter making excuses.
You wouldn't think so though, would you...
He is a Barcelona supporter making his observations on the game.
He made excuses, then accepted that having only watched half the game his impression of Arsenal's attitude and approach was limited.
Of course it was a shite performance, we lost 4-0 and it could have been worse. It was just like the semi-final of the Carling Cup but we bounced back from that in the next league match so no need to throw the towel in yet.
But it's so much fun to throw Arsenal's towel in for them...
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Fletcher>Fabregas wrote:Sir Les wrote:
I don't think kas is an Arsenal supporter making excuses.
You wouldn't think so though, would you...
He is a Barcelona supporter making his observations on the game.
He made excuses, then accepted that having only watched half the game his impression of Arsenal's attitude and approach was limited.
Of course it was a shite performance, we lost 4-0 and it could have been worse. It was just like the semi-final of the Carling Cup but we bounced back from that in the next league match so no need to throw the towel in yet.
But it's so much fun to throw Arsenal's towel in for them...
But I was giving reasons, not excuses
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