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    El Clasico 1953 Real vs Barcelona - a historical question

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    Post by Z&H Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:07 am

    How many goals did Alfredo di Stefano score in his debut against Blaugrana? Different sources provide contradictory information i.e 2, 3, or 4. What's the truth?
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    Post by Jaime Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:48 pm

    He scored twice in the 5-0 win at home.
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    Post by Z&H Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:39 pm

    Thank you Jaime but the doubts still remain. Yesterday I was reading about Di Stefano's transfer and its inside story.

    1. The article translated from La Vanguardia stated that he scored three goals.

    2. www.thinkspain.com

    “Ironically, Di Stefano's first two official goals for Real Madrid were scored against Barcelona at the Santiago Bernabeu stadium, which Barcelona lost 5-0.”

    3. Phil Ball “Morbo”

    "Two weeks later, Di Stefano scored four as Real Madrid destroyed Barca 5-o in the Bernabeu"

    I'm simply confused Shocked
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    Post by fcb Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:42 pm

    I think we should go back and nullify that match, for clearly conflicting records which were no doubt manipulated by Franco's men.




















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    Post by Z&H Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:46 pm

    kas wrote:I think we should go back and nullify that match, for clearly conflicting records which were no doubt manipulated by Franco's men.

    Tbh none of the madridistas claimed that he scored five. Must be conspiracy behind it as it was behind the transfer itself Suspect



















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    Post by Jaime Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:53 pm

    If you look in the offical LFP website, their match report gives the following:

    Real Madrid C.F. 5
    PAZOS 90'
    NAVARRO, J. 90'
    OLIVA 90'
    LESMES II 90'
    MUÑOZ, M. 90'
    ZARRAGA 90'
    JOSEITO 90'
    OLSEN 90'
    DI STEFANO 90'
    MOLOWNY 90'
    ATIENZA 90'

    Entrenador
    ENRIQUE FERNANDEZ

    Goles
    DI STEFANO 10'
    OLSEN 34'
    OLSEN 35'
    MOLOWNY 39'
    DI STEFANO 85'

    F.C. Barcelona 0
    VELASCO 90'
    SEGARRA 90'
    BIOSCA, G. 90'
    GRACIA 90'
    FLOTATS 90'
    BOSCH 90'
    BASORA 90'
    VILA SOLER 90'
    KUBALA 90'
    MORENO B. 90'
    MANCHON 90'

    Entrenador
    FERNANDO DAUCIK

    Datos Generales
    Temporada 1953-54
    Jornada 07
    Fecha 25/10/1953
    Arbitro GARCIA FERNANDEZ
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    Post by Jaime Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:54 pm

    Now, Di Stefano also scored when Real Madrid played Barcelona away later that season, so maybe that is where the notion of him scoring three goals comes from.
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    Post by fcb Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:57 pm

    Jaime, have you memorised Real Madrid's history? Shocked
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    Post by Jaime Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:02 pm

    From the Real Madrid website:

    En la temporada 1953/54 el Real Madrid endosó la primera “manita” al Barcelona (5-0), con goles de Di Stéfano dos, Olsen dos y Luis Molowny.

    http://www.realmadrid.com/articulo/rma22151.htm
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    Post by Jaime Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:04 pm

    kas wrote:Jaime, have you memorised Real Madrid's history? Shocked

    Well, obviously it was before my time so I've read quite a bit. I have a good memory for that sort of thing...but stuff like my sister's birthday, not so much.
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    Post by fcb Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:06 pm

    Haha I'm the opposite - birthdays and names, no problem...but stats/financial figures/percentages/goal records/match scores, etc...I'm hopeless.
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    Post by Jaime Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:10 pm

    It also helps that Di Stefano's first match was particularly well-documented after the controversy surrounding the transfer and the fact that it ended 5-0. If you ask me how many he scored against Barcelona in 1959, I couldn't tell you. But if I look it up now, then I would remember.
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    Post by Z&H Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:14 pm

    Jaime wrote:Now, Di Stefano also scored when Real Madrid played Barcelona away later that season, so maybe that is where the notion of him scoring three goals comes from.

    You must be right. Thank you once again.
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    Post by The Easter Bunny Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:07 pm

    Kubala didn't score o_0

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