Players told to wait for top jobs
Gerard Houllier
Former Liverpool boss Gerard Houllier says English footballers are pushed into top management jobs too quickly.
He believes Bryan Robson, Stuart Pearce and Gareth Southgate all took on senior positions far too soon.
"In France, you cannot become a manager when you step out of your career as a player," Houllier told Inside Sport.
"Would a manager of a big company put somebody without experience into a key position in his company? No, he would not, but they do in football."
The 60-year-old Frenchman said being a player and being a manager were two very different roles.
"As a player, you think of yourself and your career," he said. "The manager has the vision of the club (to deal with) and has got to think of a strategy."
I have never felt that England had this culture of developing coaches, but it is such a big country of football
Houllier said any prospective managers of a big club should gain the necessary skills before assuming such a responsibility.
"You need to develop them and prepare them," he said.
"I have never felt that England had this culture of developing coaches, but it is such a big country of football.
"Whether it is Bryan, Stuart or Gareth, I'm sure that they would have liked to go up the different steps and to have two or three years as an assistant manager."
Houllier began his managerial career in his mid-20s as player-boss of French side Le Touquet.
He later moved to Arras as youth coach and then became head coach at Noeux-les-Mines before accepting his first major managerial position with Lens, guiding them to promotion and a place in the Uefa Cup.
He went on to enjoy success at Paris St-Germain and was in charge of the French national team when it failed to qualify for the 1994 World Cup finals in the United States.
He bounced back by steering Liverpool to six trophies - League Cup (2), FA Cup, Uefa Cup, Uefa Super Cup and Charity Shield - during his five-year reign at Anfield.
He left the Reds in 2004, winning two league championships with Lyon before becoming technical director at the French football federation's prized academy at Clairefontaine.
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An interview where he points out that in England players are given top managerial roles far too quickly in their careers. I agree 100% with him...it's well and good having a club legend take over, but I think it's important they gain experience in lower levels and by getting their qualifications first. Italy has a similar approach, where managers always spend time in lower leagues, and even in Spain, it's rare for a player to take over immediately. It's just a pity that the English FA did implement a rule preventing managers lacking qualifications from taking charge, but then club chairmen and the manager's union make a mockery of those by citing "special conditions" every time.
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"In France, you cannot become a manager when you step out of your career as a player," Houllier told Inside Sport.
Didier Deschamps?
I sort of agree with him, but there are a lack of good managers in England, so i think chairmen may just look at a guy that's just retired and think he's worth the risk because the other options aren't particularly attractive.
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Laurent Blanc.
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In that sense I agree - for example, a good counter-argument is Southgate himself. He's probably working for less than any other manager, and has achieved what most probably would with Boro - lower-mid table stability (no disrespect).
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kas wrote:In that sense I agree - for example, a good counter-argument is Southgate himself. He's probably working for less than any other manager, and has achieved what most probably would with Boro - lower-mid table stability (no disrespect).
He's doing better than alot of us expected at the beginning of the season.
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borocooper wrote:kas wrote:In that sense I agree - for example, a good counter-argument is Southgate himself. He's probably working for less than any other manager, and has achieved what most probably would with Boro - lower-mid table stability (no disrespect).
He's doing better than alot of us expected at the beginning of the season.
He is incredibly unattractive and has the misfortune of living in Middlesbrough. With all that bad luck it's not all that surprising that some things are going his way.
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il piccolo Coccodrillo wrote:borocooper wrote:kas wrote:In that sense I agree - for example, a good counter-argument is Southgate himself. He's probably working for less than any other manager, and has achieved what most probably would with Boro - lower-mid table stability (no disrespect).
He's doing better than alot of us expected at the beginning of the season.
He is incredibly unattractive and has the misfortune of living in Middlesbrough. With all that bad luck it's not all that surprising that some things are going his way.
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He's a posh boy next door. I don't think he's particularly bad looking. Not compared to some of the chinless yuppie metrosexuals who've posted pics on this board.
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The Voice of Reason wrote:He's a posh boy next door. I don't think he's particularly bad looking. Not compared to some of the chinless yuppie metrosexuals who've posted pics on this board.
At least I know who you're not talking about
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More from the same interview, as Houllier gives some insight into the English scouting system, or lack thereof. Poor article though.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/mihirbose/2008/02/post_10.html
P.S. Anyone know who that other midfielder might be who Houllier was initially called to investigate?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/mihirbose/2008/02/post_10.html
P.S. Anyone know who that other midfielder might be who Houllier was initially called to investigate?
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A Tribe Called TS wrote:The Voice of Reason wrote:He's a posh boy next door. I don't think he's particularly bad looking. Not compared to some of the chinless yuppie metrosexuals who've posted pics on this board.
At least I know who you're not talking about
Nigga, you buff.
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The Voice of Reason wrote:A Tribe Called TS wrote:The Voice of Reason wrote:He's a posh boy next door. I don't think he's particularly bad looking. Not compared to some of the chinless yuppie metrosexuals who've posted pics on this board.
At least I know who you're not talking about
Nigga, you buff.
I'm not an "ignorant motherfucker" Saints.
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A Tribe Called TS wrote:The Voice of Reason wrote:A Tribe Called TS wrote:The Voice of Reason wrote:He's a posh boy next door. I don't think he's particularly bad looking. Not compared to some of the chinless yuppie metrosexuals who've posted pics on this board.
At least I know who you're not talking about
Nigga, you buff.
I'm not an "ignorant motherfucker" Saints.
Remind me, who was I referring to when I said that? I've handed out so much abuse on this forum it's become hard to keep track...
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The Voice of Reason wrote:A Tribe Called TS wrote:The Voice of Reason wrote:A Tribe Called TS wrote:The Voice of Reason wrote:He's a posh boy next door. I don't think he's particularly bad looking. Not compared to some of the chinless yuppie metrosexuals who've posted pics on this board.
At least I know who you're not talking about
Nigga, you buff.
I'm not an "ignorant motherfucker" Saints.
Remind me, who was I referring to when I said that? I've handed out so much abuse on this forum it's become hard to keep track...
I was pulling a Samuel L. Jackson on you.
I don't know who you were referring to.
Rosy, Agooner, Shazlx, Sir Les/Le'Arse, Di Canio ?
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I was pulling a Samuel L. Jackson on you.
Sheeet, I realised that shortly after my reply.
I'll be dead on his ass like "Spencer for fuckin' Hire". I'll hunt him
down and feed him his testicles, *and* I'll do it in a jiffy. And I
don't care if his momma there, his grandmomma, innocent bystanders,
little kids, baby sitters, bill collectors, whatever. I'll leave his
whole block filled with hot brass if I have to, and you know why?
'Cause *I JUST DON'T GIVE A f@ck!* You guys sure you don't want any
breakfast? I have English muffins and peach jelly.
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I see you bitches have been watching Dubya and Rumsfeld.
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robert wrote:I see you bitches have been watching Dubya and Rumsfeld.
I discovered the show thanks to the links in your sig, for which I'm most grateful. It's absolutely motherfuckin hilarious.
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Youtube are not reliable for showing the shows. I don't know if you know but http://boondockseries.com/ has all the episodes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DV2U3yLSDvQ This might be my favourite song of the year so far.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DV2U3yLSDvQ This might be my favourite song of the year so far.
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robert wrote:Youtube are not reliable for showing the shows. I don't know if you know but http://boondockseries.com/ has all the episodes.
Sure, that's where I watched them, though I can't get it to work right now. Maybe MyspaceTV has stopped hosting them. I'm sure they'll be in a torrent somewhere.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DV2U3yLSDvQ This might be my favourite song of the year so far.
Me and a friend were singing that at work the other day.
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The Voice of Reason wrote:robert wrote:Youtube are not reliable for showing the shows. I don't know if you know but http://boondockseries.com/ has all the episodes.
Sure, that's where I watched them, though I can't get it to work right now. Maybe MyspaceTV has stopped hosting them. I'm sure they'll be in a torrent somewhere.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DV2U3yLSDvQ This might be my favourite song of the year so far.
Me and a friend were singing that at work the other day.
Bunch of English guys rapping that. Sounds priceless.
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robert wrote:
Bunch of English guys rapping that. Sounds priceless.
Needless to say, it sounded very gay and brought some funny looks from the other people we work with...
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Love this scene - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owrm6JZ-T9U
TS current 'username' reminded me of it.
TS current 'username' reminded me of it.
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robert wrote:I see you bitches have been watching Dubya and Rumsfeld.
Top stuff
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The Voice of Reason wrote:robert wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DV2U3yLSDvQ This might be my favourite song of the year so far.
Me and a friend were singing that at work the other day.
Huey's expression after Riley starts chanting it is fucking Priceless.
The R.Kelly Episode is a work of Genius too - "If you don't want no piss on you, you just move out the way !"
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Marcus wrote:Love this scene - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owrm6JZ-T9U
TS current 'username' reminded me of it.
Let us all pray the Pimp's Prayer..."Lord,please pray for the soul of this Bitch,and guide my pimp hand and make it STRONG,LORD!So she might learn a Ho's place,Amen."
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Marcus wrote:Love this scene - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owrm6JZ-T9U
TS current 'username' reminded me of it.
The episode in season two where A Pimp Named Slickback is hired to help (Uncle) Tom patch up his marriage is even better. 'Scientifically speaking, has not hittin the bitch produced the desired effect?'
Horrendously misogynistic, but very funny.
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The Voice of Reason wrote:Marcus wrote:Love this scene - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owrm6JZ-T9U
TS current 'username' reminded me of it.
The episode in season two where A Pimp Named Slickback is hired to help (Uncle) Tom patch up his marriage is even better. 'Scientifically speaking, has not hittin the bitch produced the desired effect?'
Horrendously misogynistic, but very funny.
Loved that one
"Why does a pimp need a surveillance centre"
A Pimp named Slickback is too good
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I adore his accent too - such a languid drawl with the occasional shrieking twang. In fact, all the voices on the show are good.
For some reason I can't get the embedded players on boondockseries.com to work. They work on Myspace TV, so it isn't a hosting issue or a problem with my browser. The internet's a curious bugger.
For some reason I can't get the embedded players on boondockseries.com to work. They work on Myspace TV, so it isn't a hosting issue or a problem with my browser. The internet's a curious bugger.
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The creator loves Japanese animation think it fits well with the show.
Fey would love this episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWTJfSxJ8ac
Fey would love this episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWTJfSxJ8ac
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His Usher singing in that episode was hilarious. Where the hell do you get 4 random crackers to do backup dancing in the night.
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