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    Post by Parks lives Tue Jan 09, 2007 10:29 am

    Liverpool must look to shake the Houllier habit



    Rafael Benítez must be allowed to spend big in the transfer market if he is to stop his team suffering a familiar slide.

    Kevin McCarra


    January 9, 2007 01:18 AM

    Rafael Benítez is not given to histrionics and even when he lambasted Bolton's style the other week it still sounded like a speech he had been rehearsing in the shaving mirror. Immediately after the glory of Istanbul there was an impression that his mind had turned to fine-tuning the pre-season training plans. He never gets carried away, but frustrations were apparent after the FA Cup defeat to Arsenal.
    The Liverpool manager was not rebelling or making a futile attempt to put pressure on the board but there was a regretfulness when he said, with other clubs' buying in mind, "If you have £10m, OK, you can get this one." The manager is unlikely to be spending that sum on a single player this month, unless he first offloads current squad members. "If you don't have the money you have to work harder," he accepted.
    He has a particular gift for preparation and it was a coup for Liverpool to recruit such a person. In his third season on Merseyside, however, the Spaniard has a realistic view of the task ahead. The implication that Arsenal are big spenders was inappropriate, but it is understandable that he should look wistfully at Arsène Wenger's fully developed youth programme.
    All Benítez can do for now is press on with his painstaking approach, hoping to counteract the higher levels of talent at the clubs seen as his Premiership rivals. He can devise a strategy, as he confirmed while beating Manchester United and Chelsea on the way to taking the FA Cup last season. The knockout tournaments suit him best, with the apotheosis coming in the 2005 Champions League.
    Saturday's FA Cup tie was no such galvanising occasion. For half an hour there was a possibility that the holders would grind down Arsenal, but Benítez's team were not their meticulous selves in defence. Once they had been breached, the Anfield line-up turned into a collection of dogged triers rather than the tough, resourceful unit they can be. Steven Gerrard has the potential to be a game-changer but Arsenal had merely to stop him and did so on this occasion.
    These sides face each other again tonight on the same field in the first leg of the Carling Cup semi-final, but taking that trophy would not be fulfilling for a manager who seized the Champions League and then the FA Cup during his first two seasons with Liverpool. Too many of his players are just short of the top level. Regulars guess that three at most would make the first team at Manchester United, Chelsea or Arsenal. Benítez would probably not dispute that verdict with any genuine vehemence.
    He has arrived at a difficult moment in his tenure. There are aspects to please him and for all the lapses in away games Liverpool hold the best home record in the Premiership. With one defeat in the past 10 league matches, even the travels are going far more smoothly than they were. Benítez, none the less, will wonder about his long-term destination.
    A strong finish is needed if Liverpool, who last claimed the title 17 years ago, are not to collect fewer points this season than they did last, and there will not be many more European sorties to take the mind off that if the Champions League tie with Barcelona goes as most pundits predict. Failed efforts to close the gap in the Premiership lead to exhaustion, as people at Anfield understand perfectly. Gérard Houllier inched Liverpool into the runners-up berth in 2002, seven points behind Arsenal. Two years later they came fourth, 30 points adrift of Wenger's men as Arsenal regained the title.
    Benítez dreads repeating that Houllier pattern. He has a good squad, but cannot depend on it outdoing itself whenever a major occasion arises. Results against United and Arsenal in the current campaign have been chastening. Liverpool do need a squad in which the ability is spread more evenly and, although Benítez generally buys well enough for odd exceptions, such as the surprisingly ineffective Fernando Morientes, to be overlooked, he cannot afford the exceptional talents.
    He is bidding in a very different marketplace from United, let alone Chelsea. None the less the present Anfield board, bearing an overdraft of about £80m, has done all it can for him. Benítez must pray for the Dubai International Capital group to complete its takeover in the next month or so. The manager will then have to plead eloquently and persuade DIC that it is no more than common sense to fund major transfers that avert the danger of stagnation at Liverpool.
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    Post by COTR Tue Jan 09, 2007 11:42 am

    once again spanky the copy and paste merchant fails to comment

    there is barely any reference to houllier in this article... strange title you have there. what this guy is essentially saying is that rafa cannot go out and spend big money on players.... if this makes him the new houllier as you say then it is a pathetic piece of lazy journalism


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    Post by Parks lives Tue Jan 09, 2007 11:44 am

    Check the Guardian website -

    http://football.guardian.co.uk/

    Quite clearly on the heading of the article it has the heading - Rafa Benitez's reign is beginning to resemble that of Ged Houllier.
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    Post by COTR Tue Jan 09, 2007 11:52 am

    Parks lives wrote:Check the Guardian website -

    http://football.guardian.co.uk/

    Quite clearly on the heading of the article it has the heading - Rafa Benitez's reign is beginning to resemble that of Ged Houllier.
    eh yeah which is why I called you a copy and paste merchant... give us your own views on the topic spank instead of letting this idiot do the work for you

    it is a bland, pointless article with barely anything interesting or new to tell us
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    Post by Ricardo Jol Tue Jan 09, 2007 11:52 am

    They both loved to play a Liverp0-0l instead of a livFOURpool game....

    untill recently.... Arsenal 3+liverpool 1=4
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    Post by Luis Tue Jan 09, 2007 12:32 pm

    what do you get out of posting these kind of things Park? i'm really interested
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    Post by COTR Tue Jan 09, 2007 12:34 pm

    Come on spank.. still waiting here.. you posted this clearly wanting a debate so lets have your opinion on it to get the debate going
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    Post by Parks lives Tue Jan 09, 2007 12:38 pm

    I just like the person who done the article, Kevin McCarra. Very good journalist and he does raise some good points.

    If you don't want to read or comment on it, then don't do so.

    He makes some good points about Liverpool's record against the other big sides and the general quality of the squad. ok
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    Post by Luis Tue Jan 09, 2007 12:40 pm

    Parks lives wrote:I just like the person who done the article, Kevin McCarra. Very good journalist and he does raise some bemusing points.

    If you don't want to read or comment on it, then don't do so, which means you can't back up your team Liverpool fans sorry.

    Also makes some good points about Liverpool's record against the other big sides, which has been done to death and the general quality of the squad, which Liverpool fans are of course aware of, they don't need a journalist to tell them. ok
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    Post by COTR Tue Jan 09, 2007 12:43 pm

    Parks lives wrote:I just like the person who done the article, Kevin McCarra. Very good journalist and he does raise some good points.

    If you don't want to read or comment on it, then don't do so.

    He makes some good points about Liverpool's record against the other big sides and the general quality of the squad. ok
    lol!

    dreadful stuff

    as I said it is bland, pointless and tells us nothing even remotely new or interesting. he is more or less critising rafa for not being able to compete financially with united and chelsea. there is no structure and very little substance to the article.

    you posted it spank... of course we are going to respond to it.. that was your intention as you well know


    surely you can come up with something better than the above discussion
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    Post by Parks lives Tue Jan 09, 2007 12:49 pm

    Parks lives wrote: Too many of his players are just short of the top level.


    Hardly bland.


    Also I'd like to know what 3 players he thinks would make the sides of Man United, Chelsea and Arsenal.
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    Post by COTR Tue Jan 09, 2007 12:53 pm

    Parks lives wrote:
    Parks lives wrote: Too many of his players are just short of the top level.


    Hardly bland.


    Also I'd like to know what 3 players he thinks would make the sides of Man United, Liverpool and Arsenal.
    nah you are right... this is a stunning, exciting new piece of information which is of course backed up by valid theories.

    It's a rehash of old articles that have been commented on a trillion times before and done to death purely because we have just been knocked out of the Fa cup by arsenal. Lazy journalism at it's very best. It tells us nothing
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    Post by Luis Tue Jan 09, 2007 12:55 pm

    it's like saying 'United got knocked out the carling cup by southend'

    we all know
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    Post by Parks lives Tue Jan 09, 2007 12:56 pm

    Luis wrote:it's like saying 'United got knocked out the carling cup by southend'


    Yes it's just like that.
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    Post by poiuy1 Tue Jan 09, 2007 1:00 pm

    Luis wrote:it's like saying 'United got knocked out the carling cup by southend'

    we all know

    And you didn't tell us that at the time did you?

    yeah i remember you didn't rub it in our faces either scratch
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    Post by Luis Tue Jan 09, 2007 1:02 pm

    poiuy1 wrote:
    Luis wrote:it's like saying 'United got knocked out the carling cup by southend'

    we all know

    And you didn't tell us that at the time did you?

    yeah i remember you didn't rub it in our faces either scratch

    yes...i didn't make a thread on it to purposely wind fans up though
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    Post by Parks lives Tue Jan 09, 2007 1:07 pm

    Why is this thread a wind up?

    Its a good article from a respected newspaper. Not every thread that doesn't show Liverpool in a great light is a wind up. Sometimes it's good to stand up and ask questions of your team, rather than sticking your head in the sand.
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    Post by Luis Tue Jan 09, 2007 1:08 pm

    Parks lives wrote:Why is this thread a wind up?

    Its a good article from a respected newspaper. Not every thread that doesn't show Liverpool in a great light is a wind up. Sometimes it's good to stand up and ask questions of your team.

    i'm not worried about my team though? we've been on excellent form bar the fa cup slip up
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    Post by Saintsar Tue Jan 09, 2007 1:08 pm

    Luis wrote:
    poiuy1 wrote:
    Luis wrote:it's like saying 'United got knocked out the carling cup by southend'

    we all know

    And you didn't tell us that at the time did you?

    yeah i remember you didn't rub it in our faces either scratch

    yes...i didn't make a thread on it to purposely wind fans up though

    I don't really see the difference between posting a new thread and posting in existing threads, a WU is still a WU.

    Yes, the article is poor, repetitive and old hat. Yes, Parky is just posting it to get a rise out of you. Complaining at him for your inability to just say 'no, I'm not going to respond to this thread' is silly.
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    Post by Luis Tue Jan 09, 2007 1:09 pm

    SGM wrote:
    Luis wrote:
    poiuy1 wrote:
    Luis wrote:it's like saying 'United got knocked out the carling cup by southend'

    we all know

    And you didn't tell us that at the time did you?

    yeah i remember you didn't rub it in our faces either scratch

    yes...i didn't make a thread on it to purposely wind fans up though

    I don't really see the difference between posting a new thread and posting in existing threads, a WU is still a WU.

    Yes, the article is poor, repetitive and old hat. Yes, Parky is just posting it to get a rise out of you. Complaining at him for your inability to just say 'no, I'm not going to respond to this thread' is silly.

    you're one to talk about sillyness
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    Post by Saintsar Tue Jan 09, 2007 1:13 pm

    Luis wrote:

    you're one to talk about sillyness


    Sure, but I don't throw hissy fits when people post new threads that I don't like, just because my team is shown in a negative light.

    Face it, Luis, you bought this one and the best thing you can do now is just say 'fuck it, it's a bollocks article so I don't care' and then not say another word about it.
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    Post by Luis Tue Jan 09, 2007 1:15 pm

    SGM wrote:
    Luis wrote:

    you're one to talk about sillyness


    Sure, but I don't throw hissy fits when people post new threads that I don't like, just because my team is shown in a negative light.

    Face it, Luis, you bought this one and the best thing you can do now is just say 'fuck it, it's a bollocks article so I don't care' and then not say another word about it.

    hardly a hissy fit Laughing
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    Post by L r d Tue Jan 09, 2007 1:16 pm

    SGM wrote:
    Luis wrote:

    you're one to talk about sillyness


    Sure, but I don't throw hissy fits when people post new threads that I don't like.

    Doh
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    Post by Saintsar Tue Jan 09, 2007 1:17 pm

    Well, whatever. But you take my point - if you don't respond to WU posts, they die a death and then everyone forgets about them, thus we can raise the tone of the site. No?
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    Post by COTR Tue Jan 09, 2007 1:18 pm

    luis there is no need to keep going on here...

    article is nonsense... spanky hasn't backed it up with anything remotely interesting.. just leave it at that
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    Post by Luis Tue Jan 09, 2007 1:19 pm

    SGM wrote:Well, whatever. But you take my point - if you don't respond to WU posts, they die a death and then everyone forgets about them, thus we can raise the tone of the site. No?

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    Post by Parks lives Tue Jan 09, 2007 1:19 pm

    Still don't think its a wind up. Razz

    Tame compared to some of the articles we had pre-season about where will our goals come from, Glazer out of dosh, ageing injury prone-squad, manager who's lost the plot.


    Also still like to know who these 3 players are that would get into any team.
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    Post by poiuy1 Tue Jan 09, 2007 1:20 pm

    Parks lives wrote:Still don't think its a wind up. Razz

    Tame compared to some of the articles we had pre-season about where will our goals come from, Glazer out of dosh, ageing injury prone-squad, manager who's lost the plot.


    Also still like to know who these 3 players are that would get into any team.

    exactly they don't seem to remember that, selective memory i suppose
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    Post by Luis Tue Jan 09, 2007 1:20 pm

    COTR wrote:luis there is no need to keep going on here...

    article is nonsense... spanky hasn't backed it up with anything remotely interesting.. just leave it at that

    i'm not going on, it often looks like this though because it starts of with just Park then his buddys SGM etc come in and try and take things further.

    it's quite funny really
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    Post by poiuy1 Tue Jan 09, 2007 1:22 pm

    Luis wrote:
    COTR wrote:luis there is no need to keep going on here...

    article is nonsense... spanky hasn't backed it up with anything remotely interesting.. just leave it at that

    i'm not going on, it often looks like this though because it starts of with just Park then his buddys SGM etc come in and try and take things further.

    it's quite funny really

    nothing like when the pool fans wind the United fans up then scratch

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