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    Post by Parks lives Mon Mar 03, 2008 1:20 pm

    http://www.football365.com/john_nicholson/0,17033,8746_3229704,00.html

    Oh Teddy, Teddy & Lovely Old Men...

    This weekend one of the greatest footballers to grace the British game in the last 20 years announced his retirement at the end of this season. Teddy Sheringham. The man who still prompts pundits to say 'well, he never had any pace/the first yard is in the head', as though no one has ever said it before. He's nearly 42 is Teddy, which for an outfield player is very ancient. The mind is willing but the flesh doesn't fancy it anymore. I know how he feels. Welcome to middle-age, Tedster.

    A magnificent player, Teddy's career straddles the pre-big money Premiership generation of the 80s and the 24/7 football media of today. He began way back in 1982 in the days before the league was predictable and before money was the be all and end all of everything. He played in that great Millwall side of 1987-88 when they were top of the First Division in March.

    Can you imagine Millwall being top of the league going into spring now? No. Different days. He was transferred to Forest and scored the first live on TV goal of the newly formed Premier League before moving on to Spurs for five years. At 31 he got a transfer to Manchester United and was axiomatic in their treble-winning side, often coming off the bench to sew a game up or get an equaliser, just as he did in the Champions League final.

    It never looked hard work for Teddy. The game seemed to slow down when he had the ball - as though he operated on a different space/time continuum. He could hold the ball up and wait until the game caught up with him. He had that easy air, that sense of control about his play. He never looked hurried or panicked. He was 27 before he got his first cap and yet looked born to play International football. He had the easy class required. He puts the lie to the notion that has become a default belief for many today, that before English clubs bought in overseas talent, every Englishman was a football Neanderthal, unable to control the ball or do anything other than run around like a lunatic. Teddy had the ability, style and class of any Spaniard or Frenchman playing today.

    With over 25 years as a professional footballer it feels like he's had at least three separate careers and in future we may well see others follow his example and play into their late 30s or early 40s, even if they don't start every game, because old blokes are important to a football club. Experience counts big.

    Youth is wasted on the young. Ask any auld fella and he'll tell you that he'd not swap his decades of experience to be young and green again, though he wouldn't mind having the energy, staying power and sheer bloody lust of a 17-year-old. If you could be 50 in your mind and 17 in your body, that would be the ideal combo.

    Age gives you wisdom. Not intelligence necessarily, but wisdom certainly. You've seen a lot, probably done a lot and by now you know which bits of a lady's front bottom do what, and you can go for more than 90 seconds without blowing your wad. By 40 you should have finally learned that mixing wine, whiskey and beer in one night will make you feel as though you have died and been sh*t out of a dog the following day. You also learn to spot passing fads and trends and see the bigger picture. It's all good stuff man. Getting old rocks hard.

    Some people say it makes you more cynical but I'm not so sure about that. I'm far more laidback, easygoing and un-cynical than at any time in my life and I was a wired and angry kid. Others say with age comes conservatism but again, I find the opposite to be true because you know yourself better and you're less concerned with being cool and more concerned with having a good time, you're able to throw caution to the wind and sod the consequences - as long as you can be in bed by midnight of course - and have a nice pot of tea at some point too...and maybe a nap after dinner. Lovely.

    Take 70s disco. I love 70s disco. As bad as it is for my image as rock god, when I feel the need to get my groove on only the likes of Chic and Earth, Wind and Fire will do it. However, when I was 18, this was an impossible weakness to admit as a long-haired, rock 'n' roll, Flying V-wielding industrial northern male. Youth encourages absolutism, you must love or hate something and certain things are incompatible: disco and heavy metal were most certainly incompatible. You see, you end up being far more narrow and conservative when you're young.

    Clubs need their been-there-done-that experienced players. The balance between the young and the experienced is a crucial one. Too many older players and the side lacks pace, energy and dynamism, too few and a side can lack grit and determination. And if you're a whipper-snapper you are prone to put your foot in your mouth.

    In the week that Teddy announced he was off to the great football retirement home to sit in one of those high-backed chairs and get his toe-nails cut every month by a nurse called Gladys, Theo Walcott, an 18-year-old who looks like puberty hasn't finished with him yet, came out with a classic inexperienced comment as quoted in the Guardian,

    "It was nice to get a poacher's goal," Walcott said. "My agents have told me I need more of those."

    In a few years' time he'll be amazed that he said something as crass as that. The arrogance of youth doesn't take such things into account though, it just prematurely spunks up this sort of stuff. And that's all too often how he plays as well - just big bursts of speed without any consideration as to what he might do next. It can be brilliant but equally it can be pointless.

    Tou can't buy experience or short-cut it. A team without it tends to be inconsistent, capable of delivering mesmeric and mundane performances by turns. A few experienced heads in the mix can bring consistency.

    There are exceptions though. At Arsenal, Lehmann and Gallas are the two most senior pros and the two biggest whack-jobs at the club, prone to sulk and throw fits like a 15-year-old boy who has been told he can't paint his bedroom walls black. Perhaps Arsenal needs at least a couple more experienced heads in the dressing room to help keep them together under moments of pressure. Perhaps with that element, they would already have the league sewn up; perhaps lack of experience is their main weakness and will be their undoing this year. It'll be interesting to watch.

    At Man Utd the blend is much better. Rio is 30 this year, Van der Saar is 74, Scholes (who played a killer game against Fulham this weekend) and Giggs are well into their 30s. Even if they're not used all the time, even if they're not the players they once were week in week out, their 'been there, done that' influence can infuse throughout the club on and off the field, calming down younger talents and keeping panic levels low.

    Similarly Chelsea has a seam of over-30s in Carvalho, Belleti, Makalele, Ballack and later this year, Lampard. When the pressure is on, these players can make the difference between maintaining a challenge and blowing it.

    But what any of the top three clubs wouldn't give for Teddy in his pomp to be playing for them, holding up the ball, distributing it with ease and spraying balls around with true class, always having time on the ball. And then of course there was the volleying in corners from the edge of the box. All top, top Teddy traits, Richard. Quality.

    There hasn't been an Englishman since who can do what Teddy did and only a select few overseas players such as Bergkamp can stand comparison to him in terms of skill, passing and awareness. Klinsmann said he was the most intelligent striker he ever played alongside.

    A truly special player, we may never see his like again...and if you want a six-pint discussion, tell me, who is or could be today's version of Teddy? There are very few contenders and certainly none at Millwall.

    Oh Teddy Teddy, Teddy Teddy Teddy Sheringham. And he looked like Skeletor as well, which is very, very cool.


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    Post by Parks lives Mon Mar 03, 2008 1:44 pm

    His scoring record (even though he was more than just a striker)...

    Years Club App (Gls)*
    1982-1991 Millwall 220 (93)
    1985 → Aldershot (loan) 5 0(0)
    1985 → Djurgårdens IF (loan) 21 (13)
    1991-1992 Nottingham Forest 42 (14)
    1992-1997 Tottenham Hotspur 166 (76)
    1997-2001 Manchester United 104 (31)
    2001-2003 Tottenham Hotspur 70 (22)
    2003-2004 Portsmouth 32 (9)
    2004-2007 West Ham United 76 (28 )
    2007-2008 Colchester United 18 (3)


    Honours


    English Premier League: 3
    1998-99, 1999-00, 2000-01

    English Premier League Runner up: 1
    1997-98

    FA Cup: 1
    1999

    FA Cup Runner Up: 1
    2005-06

    UEFA Champions League: 1
    1998-99

    Intercontinental Cup: 1
    1999

    Division Two: 1
    1987-88

    Football League Championship Play-Off: 1
    2004-05

    League Cup Runner-Up: 1
    1991-92

    Swedish Division Two North Championship: 1
    1984-85
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    Post by Machiavel Mon Mar 03, 2008 1:52 pm

    My memory of Teddy

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCssWsu3i9g

    "When I saw Basler waving to the fans it gave me the hump, I wanted to get out there and show them." - Teddy Sheringham

    "Sheringham!" ... pause... "Name on the trophy." - Clive Tyldesley
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    Post by S4P Mon Mar 03, 2008 1:56 pm

    Possibly the only player in world football who could get away with playing for Millwall, Tottenham and West Ham! Legend Ale
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    Post by Parks lives Mon Mar 03, 2008 1:59 pm

    He answered some questions on his career on Goals on Saturday -

    Best player played with - Gazza was the main one and he also mentioned Keane.

    Best strike partner - Shearer or Klinsmann.

    Favourite goal - The Champions league final goal or his first goal for England against Switzerland.

    Hardest opponent - Adams, Campbell or Cannavaro.

    Favourite ground - Wembley
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    Post by christmasborocooper Mon Mar 03, 2008 2:01 pm

    They should've asked for his opinion of Andy Cole.
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    Post by Parks lives Mon Mar 03, 2008 2:04 pm

    borocooper wrote:They should've asked for his opinion of Andy Cole.

    I was suprised he praised Campbell given their relationship.

    Thing with Sheringham and Cole was they still played well together. It was never like they wouldn't pass if the other was in the better position. Think they knew Fergie wouldn't stand for that.

    Btw, changed the thread title under orders from HotR. Laughing <Ale>
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    Post by christmasborocooper Mon Mar 03, 2008 2:05 pm

    Parks lives wrote:
    borocooper wrote:They should've asked for his opinion of Andy Cole.

    I was suprised he praised Campbell given their relationship.

    Thing with Sheringham and Cole was they still played well together. It was never like they wouldn't pass if the other was in the better position. Think they knew Fergie wouldn't stand for that.

    Btw, changed the thread title under orders from HotR. Laughing <Ale>

    Yeah they did play well together. Andy Cole got arrested the other day didnt he? Could've been a good time for Teddy to get a dig in there.
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    Post by Parks lives Mon Mar 03, 2008 2:06 pm

    Think he was alleged to have assulted his wife. Neutral


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    Post by christmasborocooper Mon Mar 03, 2008 2:07 pm

    Andy `Redblood, wife beating" Cole Non-Appreciation Thread?
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    Post by Knoblauch Mon Mar 03, 2008 3:00 pm

    Parks lives wrote:
    great Millwall side

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    Post by 110% Mon Mar 03, 2008 3:13 pm

    Parks lives wrote:His scoring record (even though he was more than just a striker)...

    Years Club App (Gls)*
    1982-1991 Millwall 220 (93)
    1985 → Aldershot (loan) 5 0(0)
    1985 → Djurgårdens IF (loan) 21 (13)
    1991-1992 Nottingham Forest 42 (14)
    1992-1997 Tottenham Hotspur 166 (76)
    1997-2001 Manchester United 104 (31)
    2001-2003 Tottenham Hotspur 70 (22)
    2003-2004 Portsmouth 32 (9)
    2004-2007 West Ham United 76 (28 )
    2007-2008 Colchester United 18 (3)


    Honours


    English Premier League: 3
    1998-99, 1999-00, 2000-01

    English Premier League Runner up: 1
    1997-98

    FA Cup: 1
    1999

    FA Cup Runner Up: 1
    2005-06

    UEFA Champions League: 1
    1998-99

    Intercontinental Cup: 1
    1999

    Division Two: 1
    1987-88

    Football League Championship Play-Off: 1
    2004-05

    League Cup Runner-Up: 1
    1991-92

    Swedish Division Two North Championship: 1
    1984-85

    is being runner-up an honour??
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    Post by Glenarch of the Glen Mon Mar 03, 2008 3:28 pm

    Parks lives wrote:

    Btw, changed the thread title under orders from HotR. Laughing <Ale>

    I made no such order. He never played for us and if anything is a Spurs legend (and a West Ham fan)

    Great player though Ale
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    Post by lrdsucksgoats Mon Mar 03, 2008 4:11 pm

    As I successfully argued here some years ago, Sheringham was, is and will always be a better player than Thierry Henry.
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    Post by Isco Benny Mon Mar 03, 2008 4:41 pm

    Sheringham was the first player's name I ever got on the back of one of my replica shirts. And probably the greatest in my humblest opinion.

    He also scored and generally took Newcastle apart in the 99 FA cup final for Man Utd to add to his effect in the 99 CL final.

    And who can forget his partnership with Shearer, and his contribution to the 4-1 result against Holland.

    He was the natural successor to Peter Beardsley, and probably the most naturally intelligent, aware footballer playing in England alongside Zola and Bergkamp at that period.

    Klinsmann and Sheringham was probably the best strikeforce that I can remember playing for Spurs, in my lifetime at least. Berbatov is our new Sheringham
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    Post by DS Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:04 pm

    Legend.
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    Post by Zack Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:05 pm

    It should be Teddy 'Lilly-Whiteblood' Sheringham... Smile

    Definetly a Legend!
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    Post by EM Seleção e Selecção Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:07 pm

    The Voice of Reason wrote:As I successfully argued here some years ago, Sheringham was, is and will always be a better player than Thierry Henry.
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    Post by 110% Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:09 pm

    The Voice of Reason wrote:As I successfully argued here some years ago, Sheringham was, is and will always be a older player than Thierry Henry.

    I fixed your typo Wink
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    Post by Deano Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:10 pm

    Teddy Sheringham...played for Millwall and The Scum before finally getting to play for the team he supports Smile.

    Done wonders for us...was fantastic in the Championship, and carried on his class in The Premiership.

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    Post by lrdsucksgoats Mon Mar 03, 2008 7:08 pm

    110% wrote:
    The Voice of Reason wrote:As I successfully argued here some years ago, Sheringham was, is and will always be a older player than Thierry Henry.

    I fixed your typo Wink

    So's your face.
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    Post by lrdsucksgoats Mon Mar 03, 2008 7:09 pm

    EMPortuguese wrote:
    The Voice of Reason wrote:As I successfully argued here some years ago, Sheringham was, is and will always be a better player than Thierry Henry.
    affraid affraid Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

    Really, I don't see how there can be any dispute about it. But feel free to try me.
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    Post by EM Seleção e Selecção Mon Mar 03, 2008 7:10 pm

    The Voice of Reason wrote:
    EMPortuguese wrote:
    The Voice of Reason wrote:As I successfully argued here some years ago, Sheringham was, is and will always be a better player than Thierry Henry.
    affraid affraid Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

    Really, I don't see how there can be any dispute about it. But feel free to try me.
    I am going to pass this debate isn't worth getting into Embarassed Embarassed
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    Post by lrdsucksgoats Mon Mar 03, 2008 7:13 pm

    EMPortuguese wrote:
    The Voice of Reason wrote:
    EMPortuguese wrote:
    The Voice of Reason wrote:As I successfully argued here some years ago, Sheringham was, is and will always be a better player than Thierry Henry.
    affraid affraid Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

    Really, I don't see how there can be any dispute about it. But feel free to try me.
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    Post by robert Mon Mar 03, 2008 7:55 pm

    Michael Jackson is going to adopt him?
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    Post by lrdsucksgoats Mon Mar 03, 2008 8:11 pm

    robert wrote:Michael Jackson is going to adopt him?

    That too.
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    Post by Deano Mon Mar 03, 2008 9:47 pm

    Ohhhhhhhhhhhh Teddy Teddy!
    Teddy Teddy Teddy Teddy Sheringham!
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    Post by COTR Mon Mar 03, 2008 9:55 pm

    a legend

    Yet his fellow redbloods could not even get his name right


    His finest achievement was shagging danielle lloyd, an achievement jermaine Defoe has subsequently taken the shine off
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    Post by Deano Mon Mar 03, 2008 9:57 pm

    I think his finest moment was winning the treble. I'm sure LRD can explain to you what a treble is...
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    Post by COTR Mon Mar 03, 2008 10:00 pm

    I Hate Tottenham wrote:I think his finest moment was winning the treble. I'm sure LRD can explain to you what a treble is...


    no need mate. I'm a liverpool fan remember

    we know all about such things

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