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    Post by shazlx Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:59 pm

    Tweedle wrote:

    I also think you could argue that he doesn't buy middle aged players so that he can use the 'its a young squad' arguement.

    I understand that he likes to get them in young so that he can mould them to the Arsenal style more easily but its not as though there are plenty older and more experienced players out there that could adjust easily enough.
    Doh Overmars, Pires, Hleb, Rosicky, "Gilberto", Eduardo? Wenger has shown he will buy these players if the right players are on the market. The problem is buying talented players that will fit in his system and won't demand a huge salary. That has always been the issue. He wants to keep the wage bill as low as possible. The transfer fee isn't a problem, its the large wages that come along with the big names that puts him off. It's why he does't like over 30 players. He doesn't want big earners on the bench.
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    Post by Pierre Littbarski Thu Apr 10, 2008 10:43 pm

    18: So you're saying that you just "loosened the boy's clothing" because you thought he was choking ?

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    Post by EM Seleção e Selecção Fri Apr 11, 2008 2:19 am

    Wenger is too stubborn he will never change his style and his transfer methods.

    I hear all the time the president and the big people at Arsenal tell Wenger there is alot of money available for him to spend it if he wants to.

    I think Wenger needs to raid Porto for Quaresma/Li-Lo Cool Cool Cool
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    Post by DS Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:16 am

    shazlx wrote:
    Tweedle wrote:

    I also think you could argue that he doesn't buy middle aged players so that he can use the 'its a young squad' arguement.

    I understand that he likes to get them in young so that he can mould them to the Arsenal style more easily but its not as though there are plenty older and more experienced players out there that could adjust easily enough.
    Doh Overmars, Pires, Hleb, Rosicky, "Gilberto", Eduardo? Wenger has shown he will buy these players if the right players are on the market. The problem is buying talented players that will fit in his system and won't demand a huge salary. That has always been the issue. He wants to keep the wage bill as low as possible. The transfer fee isn't a problem, its the large wages that come along with the big names that puts him off. It's why he does't like over 30 players. He doesn't want big earners on the bench.
    Low wage bill ?
    Arsenal boosts one of the highest wage bills in the league.
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    Post by lrdsucksgoats Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:26 am

    DS wrote:
    shazlx wrote:
    Tweedle wrote:

    I also think you could argue that he doesn't buy middle aged players so that he can use the 'its a young squad' arguement.

    I understand that he likes to get them in young so that he can mould them to the Arsenal style more easily but its not as though there are plenty older and more experienced players out there that could adjust easily enough.
    Doh Overmars, Pires, Hleb, Rosicky, "Gilberto", Eduardo? Wenger has shown he will buy these players if the right players are on the market. The problem is buying talented players that will fit in his system and won't demand a huge salary. That has always been the issue. He wants to keep the wage bill as low as possible. The transfer fee isn't a problem, its the large wages that come along with the big names that puts him off. It's why he does't like over 30 players. He doesn't want big earners on the bench.
    Low wage bill ?
    Arsenal boosts one of the highest wage bills in the league.


    Yeah, but Shalzx thinks that Arsenal won't win anything this season purely due to bad luck and a conspiracy of referees. His opinions are clearly divorced from fact at the first instance, and from them on it just snowballs.

    A bit like religious fundamentalism.
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    Post by Parks lives Fri Apr 11, 2008 10:04 am

    EMPortuguese wrote:Wenger is too stubborn he will never change his style and his transfer methods.

    I hear all the time the president and the big people at Arsenal tell Wenger there is alot of money available for him to spend it if he wants to.

    I think Wenger needs to raid Porto for Quaresma/Li-Lo Cool Cool Cool


    A player they could do with is Ashley Young. Genuine width and excellent technique.
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    Post by Romford Pele Fri Apr 11, 2008 10:06 am

    Parks lives wrote:
    EMPortuguese wrote:Wenger is too stubborn he will never change his style and his transfer methods.

    I hear all the time the president and the big people at Arsenal tell Wenger there is alot of money available for him to spend it if he wants to.

    I think Wenger needs to raid Porto for Quaresma/Li-Lo Cool Cool Cool


    A player they could do with is Ashley Young. Genuine width and excellent technique.
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    Post by Romford Pele Fri Apr 11, 2008 10:07 am

    Parks lives wrote:
    EMPortuguese wrote:Wenger is too stubborn he will never change his style and his transfer methods.

    I hear all the time the president and the big people at Arsenal tell Wenger there is alot of money available for him to spend it if he wants to.

    I think Wenger needs to raid Porto for Quaresma/Li-Lo Cool Cool Cool


    A player they could do with is Ashley Young. Genuine width and excellent technique.

    <Ale> Would cost an arm an a leg though
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    Post by The-Frank-Tavern Fri Apr 11, 2008 10:08 am

    i've always assumed he didn't fancy him as otherwise he could surely have got him when he went to villa
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    Post by 110% Fri Apr 11, 2008 10:09 am

    The-Frank-Tavern wrote:i've always assumed he didn't fancy him as otherwise he could surely have got him when he went to villa

    not young enough? scratch
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    Post by The-Frank-Tavern Fri Apr 11, 2008 10:11 am

    not really he bought hleb and rosicky
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    Post by 110% Fri Apr 11, 2008 10:36 am

    sorry I was trying to make a paedo joke
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    Post by The-Frank-Tavern Fri Apr 11, 2008 10:37 am

    110% wrote:sorry I was trying to make a paedo joke
    i know but it was a cr@p effort
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    Post by Parks lives Fri Apr 11, 2008 10:38 am

    This is the kind of thing that makes you laugh about the media.



    Why Arsene Wenger should be proud rather than cowed

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    It is a tragedy of apocalyptic dimensions, a human catastrophe comparable to the melting of the ice-caps and the devastation of the rainforests rolled into one. Arsenal have been knocked out of the Champions League and have all but run out of steam in the race for the Barclays Premier League title. Anyone not inclined to lament, mourn and bewail this fact is not in possession of a soul.

    You may say that I am exaggerating, but this is about more than mere football. It is about music and poetry, aesthetics and artistry, hope and audacity. Arsène Wenger could have instructed his team to play with the dispiriting pragmatism so beloved of his rival managers, but the mercurial Frenchman was not prepared to betray his nobler ideals, even when it might have improved his club’s chances of success.

    Arsenal’s relentless and unadulterated pursuit of beauty has itself been a thing of beauty: a daring, epic and ultimately doomed journey that has taken the English game, against all expectation, into the territory of the artistic. Wenger has done more for neutral supporters in one season — talking spiritually now, talking of our moral fabric — than an eternity of watching the spirit-sapping utilitarianism of men such as José Mourinho and Rafael Benítez.

    Wenger’s posse of swashbuckling and tragic youngsters embraced the vision of their leader with the naive enthusiasm of foot soldiers and now they look around themselves at the ruins. But they should not despair. Liverpool, their conquerors on Tuesday night, may go on to lift the European Cup next month, yet what are trophies except meaningless baubles that moth and rust destroy? What Arsenal have achieved this season will endure far longer, if only in the hearts of those of us who have watched them.

    Who has been inspired by Benítez’s Liverpool or Avram Grant’s Chelsea beyond the core constituencies of Merseyside and West London, who cheer out of filial loyalty and never from aesthetic appreciation? Who in their right mind could watch a Liverpool or Chelsea performance and find a wide and happy smile arriving on their surprised lips?

    This is not an argument that is pro-Arsenal any more than it is anti-Liverpool: Arsenal under George Graham were as dull and draining as Liverpool under Bob Paisley were thrilling. No, it is about celebrating something in Wenger’s team that goes far beyond success and failure; it is about saluting a philosophy that owes as much to Sartre as it does to Rinus Michels. Wenger understands that, in this curious journey called life, there are things that matter beyond the merely functional.

    The Frenchman and his players will be feeling something close to desolation. They woke yesterday with their hopes and dreams, which were within grasping distance a few weeks ago, in tatters. But rather than despair, they should celebrate that they have imbued football with an aesthetic meaning that it has not enjoyed since the retirement of Pelé, Carlos Alberto and Co. They are glorious, even though they have been vanquished. They are glorious, perhaps, because they have been vanquished.

    There was a time when it looked as if the English game was doomed to be strangled by route-one football. It is visionaries such as Wenger and the evergreen Sir Alex Ferguson who have resisted this calamity. Manchester United’s attacking luminosity and Arsenal’s intricate creativity have offered an alternative vision of the sport that, it must be hoped, will be embraced by a new generation of managers and coaches.

    Football is becoming the beautiful game again. And, for that, we must thank, above all, the incomparable Wenger.

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/arsenal/article3717226.ece
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    Post by 110% Fri Apr 11, 2008 10:50 am

    The-Frank-Tavern wrote:
    110% wrote:sorry I was trying to make a paedo joke
    i know but it was a cr@p effort

    I appologise then Bam
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    Post by Cesc Soler Fri Apr 11, 2008 11:43 am

    Parks lives wrote:
    Football is becoming the beautiful game again. And, for that, we must thank, above all, the incomparable Wenger.

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/arsenal/article3717226.ece
    cheers

    A rather cringeworthy article TBH. We HAVE to win something next year, otherwise we start to become the "loveable" losers.
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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Fri Apr 11, 2008 11:49 am

    Yoda wrote:
    DS wrote:
    shazlx wrote:
    Tweedle wrote:

    I also think you could argue that he doesn't buy middle aged players so that he can use the 'its a young squad' arguement.

    I understand that he likes to get them in young so that he can mould them to the Arsenal style more easily but its not as though there are plenty older and more experienced players out there that could adjust easily enough.
    Doh Overmars, Pires, Hleb, Rosicky, "Gilberto", Eduardo? Wenger has shown he will buy these players if the right players are on the market. The problem is buying talented players that will fit in his system and won't demand a huge salary. That has always been the issue. He wants to keep the wage bill as low as possible. The transfer fee isn't a problem, its the large wages that come along with the big names that puts him off. It's why he does't like over 30 players. He doesn't want big earners on the bench.
    Low wage bill ?
    Arsenal boosts one of the highest wage bills in the league.


    Yeah, but Shalzx thinks that Arsenal won't win anything this season purely due to bad luck and a conspiracy of referees. His opinions are clearly divorced from fact at the first instance, and from them on it just snowballs.

    A bit like religious fundamentalism.

    That earned a chuckle. kudos Smile
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    Post by Tweesus Fri Apr 11, 2008 11:53 am

    Parks lives wrote:This is the kind of thing that makes you laugh about the media.

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/arsenal/article3717226.ece

    If Saints reads that he'll probably have to scratch his eyeballs out and then douse himself in petrol
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    Post by lrdsucksgoats Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:31 pm

    Tweedle wrote:
    Parks lives wrote:This is the kind of thing that makes you laugh about the media.

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/arsenal/article3717226.ece

    If Saints reads that he'll probably have to scratch his eyeballs out and then douse himself in petrol

    Did you know that most suicide bombings aren't committed by Muslims? Worth throwing into the hat next time you're down the pub. Though you probably go to bars with lots of chrome, but you know what I mean. If your soon to be out of hormonal control girlfriend lets you.


    Such articles don't really piss me off, because I've been spectacularly vindicated in my criticisms of Arsenal (though my predictions of tragic failure were a bit off the mark). Whoever wrote this article will be writing the same article next year, and probably wrote the same article last year and the year before. I've already explained why this sort of thing is bullshit, how Arsenal have departed from the 'pure' football of the last generation and the new one is more three dimensional, all the rest. No point repeating myself just because some middle class tosser with an iPhone got something published in a Murdoch rag.
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    Post by Luis Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:54 pm

    Arsenal are the new Barcelona
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    Post by shazlx Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:29 pm

    DS wrote:
    shazlx wrote:
    Tweedle wrote:

    I also think you could argue that he doesn't buy middle aged players so that he can use the 'its a young squad' arguement.

    I understand that he likes to get them in young so that he can mould them to the Arsenal style more easily but its not as though there are plenty older and more experienced players out there that could adjust easily enough.
    Doh Overmars, Pires, Hleb, Rosicky, "Gilberto", Eduardo? Wenger has shown he will buy these players if the right players are on the market. The problem is buying talented players that will fit in his system and won't demand a huge salary. That has always been the issue. He wants to keep the wage bill as low as possible. The transfer fee isn't a problem, its the large wages that come along with the big names that puts him off. It's why he does't like over 30 players. He doesn't want big earners on the bench.
    Low wage bill ?
    Arsenal boosts one of the highest wage bills in the league.
    Doh So you think we should make it higher?

    I know we have a huge wage bill. That's because we have big players in the 1st XI but if Wenger wants to get a better squad the figure would rise hugely. Players like Gallas, Gilberto, Toure... are earning too high to put on the bench. That's why Gilberto will leave this summer - not because he's Cr@p. I think we probably could afford to put a few big players on the bench but its all about risk. Why would you risk everything for a trophy. We are in £200m+ debt - 2 season with CL money and we wouldn't be able to pay for the increased wages with cash. And if worse comes to, it'll be far easier to get rid of superstars in demand than old players clinging on to their big contracts, hence the anti 30+ policy.
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    Post by robert Sat Apr 12, 2008 1:35 pm

    kas wrote:Saw this earlier and thought Saints had taken up freelance writing and sent one or two pieces to F365.
    lol!
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