the decline of Seria A

I just had a quick look at the latest UEFA Coefficient List

http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/data/method3/crank2008.html

the Bundesliga is running rings around the French League and will easily be ranked 4th at the beginning of next season

the EPL will overtake La Liga in the next round or soon thereafter

and Seria A are in freefall as well

it will be a few years before the Bundesliga has caught up with it, but the pattern is clear

the CL is now dominated by the far richer EPL and the the top La Liga teams; and Seria A does no longer generate enough points in the UEFA Cup either (where the Bundesliga is playing catch-up)

another problem is the exodus of Italian players, that have always kept overall quality of Seria high:

Toni, Zambrotta and Cannavaro are gone and guys like Rossi could follow soon

within 4-5 years Seria A will have lost its 4th CL spot to Germany

wahre G

It's all about money

Ricardo Jol wrote:It's all about money

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5nzRTDIFl0

Germany will never overtake Serie A. There is also not an exodus of Italian players. Many have come back (Bianchi, Cassano) and some are coming back (Zambrotta). By your rationale there is an exodus of Spanish players also: Fabregas, Alonso, Torres. And Germany also since Ballack is the only player worth shouting about, but even he is Cr@p now.

The scandal hurt Serie A, but Fiorentina are doing very well in the UEFA Cup. And, like Germany, there is one team from Italy in the semis.

It would take a miracle for Germany to overtake Serie A.

Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:

It would take a miracle for Germany to overtake Serie A.

I think you are wrong

Seria A is poor in the UEFA Cup, whereas the Bundesliga is increasingly improving in it

the competition offers MANY points though

in the CL Seria A is being overtaken by the EPL and La Liga

in the past they got truckloads of points here; not any more

and Toni has admitted that MANY Italian internationals have told him they would love to play in the BUndesliga

problem is, nobody apart from Bayern could pay the salaries or transfer fees

everything in life is cyclical and Seria A has seen better days

it's going down

Kaka will be in Spain soon and Ronaldinho in Italy

nothing further , your honour

Darling wrote:

Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:

It would take a miracle for Germany to overtake Serie A.

I think you are wrong

Seria A is poor in the UEFA Cup, whereas the Bundesliga is increasingly improving in it

the competition offers MANY points though

in the CL Seria A is being overtaken by the EPL and La Liga

in the past they got truckloads of points here; not any more

and Toni has admitted that MANY Italian internationals have told him they would love to play in the BUndesliga

problem is, nobody apart from Bayern could pay the salaries or transfer fees

everything in life is cyclical and Seria A has seen better days

it's going down

Kaka will be in Spain soon and Ronaldinho in Italy

nothing further , your honour

And that's a big problem.

Only time will tell. Kaka will most likely stay in Italy for his career, but Serie A is finding it hard to attract stars when compared to England and Spain, but not Germany. Come on man. I don't know when to respond to your posts because I don't know if you're being serious. This is right up there with Lehmann>>>Buffon.

Darling wrote:

Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:

It would take a miracle for Germany to overtake Serie A.

I think you are wrong

Seria A is poor in the UEFA Cup, whereas the Bundesliga is increasingly improving in it

the competition offers MANY points though

in the CL Seria A is being overtaken by the EPL and La Liga

in the past they got truckloads of points here; not any more

and Toni has admitted that MANY Italian internationals have told him they would love to play in the BUndesliga

problem is, nobody apart from Bayern could pay the salaries or transfer fees

everything in life is cyclical and Seria A has seen better days

it's going down

Kaka will be in Spain soon and Ronaldinho in Italy

nothing further , your honour

The bundesliga's best team by a country mile just about scraped into the semis of the UEFA cup otto

Germany will not have the luxury of the astronomical spending bayern munich in the competition every year.

Surely Italy have recieved more points even this year with Inter and roma in the CL and fiorentina in the Uefa.


Zenit

COTR wrote:
Zenit

Haagse Dick!

Seria A has FAR FAR FAR FAR MORE money than the Bundesliga

yet , this season the Bundesliga is BETTER in Europe

and just as good as Seria A in the CL

what does that tell you ???????

in the past, Seria A could attract the TOP TOP TOP players

those days are long gone

WITHOUT the top international superstars Seria A are stuck with the second best of the big names who tend to be NOT better than the talents that the Bundesliga nurtures (VDV, Ribery, Diego, Berbatov...)

most top Germans play in the Bundesliga; most top Italians in Seria A

it's a draw

since Italian teams don't take the UEFA Cup seriously , Seria A has a problem

in the past, Bundesliga clubs could not have cared about the "Losers' Cup" (Beckenbauer) either

should Bayern win it this year, there will be a big change in mentality in Germany

I'm sorry Forza, but in 5 years Seria A will be behind the Bundesliga in the rankings

wahre G

Otto has a point about uefa cup though! This cup can give you relatively a lot of points... If you don't take that serious you could have a problem.

Plus the fact, Bundesliga is getting richer and richer every year so the huge gap will reduce.... but is this enough...? Don't think so atm

COTR wrote:

Darling wrote:

Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:

It would take a miracle for Germany to overtake Serie A.

I think you are wrong

Seria A is poor in the UEFA Cup, whereas the Bundesliga is increasingly improving in it

the competition offers MANY points though

in the CL Seria A is being overtaken by the EPL and La Liga

in the past they got truckloads of points here; not any more

and Toni has admitted that MANY Italian internationals have told him they would love to play in the BUndesliga

problem is, nobody apart from Bayern could pay the salaries or transfer fees

everything in life is cyclical and Seria A has seen better days

it's going down

Kaka will be in Spain soon and Ronaldinho in Italy

nothing further , your honour

The bundesliga's best team by a country mile just about scraped into the semis of the UEFA cup otto

Germany will not have the luxury of the astronomical spending bayern munich in the competition every year.

Surely Italy have recieved more points even this year with Inter and roma in the CL and fiorentina in the Uefa.


Zenit

Not necessarily. The UEFA cup gives as much points as CL. It is also calculated as a percentage of what you could have achieved - You get more points if you only enter one team and they get to the final than if you enter 3 teams who all get to the semi's. Italy's poor showing in the UEFA cp was not a problem when they were doing well in the CL. If they drop off in the CL they may be in trouble

Of course the Seria A is in decline, last week I watched Fiorentina v PSV...that could have been a stadium in Africa!! Besides it wasnt even a full house, something I notice a lot when im watching the Serie A highlights.

But if the Bundesliga will overtake them??

Ricardo Jol wrote:Otto has a point about uefa cup though! This cup can give you relatively a lot of points... If you don't take that serious you could have a problem.

Plus the fact, Bundesliga is getting richer and richer every year so the huge gap will reduce.... but is this enough...? Don't think so atm

Of course Otto has a point, but it is always surrounded by so much bluster, fluff, jongoism, and nonsense that it often becomes pointless.

Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:

Ricardo Jol wrote:Otto has a point about uefa cup though! This cup can give you relatively a lot of points... If you don't take that serious you could have a problem.

Plus the fact, Bundesliga is getting richer and richer every year so the huge gap will reduce.... but is this enough...? Don't think so atm

Of course Otto has a point, but it is always surrounded by so much bluster, fluff, jongoism, and nonsense that it often becomes pointless.

you are very right

It will never happen simply because club names as as much a brand as the league itself. Whatever teams are in decline, top players going to Germany have realistically only 1 team to go to whereas in Italy they have 3.

The Bundesliga might overtake Seria A on coefficients but will not be bigger anytime soon some other teams break the mold and become traditional powers.

Serie A is rebuilding after the calciopoli scandal. Like I have said many times before here, this season Serie A is more competitive than its been in the last decade - from a depth of quality sides perspective. I see Serie A sides making a comeback in a season or two in europe.... in a big way.

Teams like Inter, Milan, Juve - they don't really lack the money, just like Real & Barca. These teams will always give the rich english top 4 teams a fight in the CL. And the most encouraging sign of change has been that Fiorentina this season - they are leading the way by talking UEFA Cup as a serious objective. Hopefully we will see more Serie A sides following their example in seasons to come. The only reason why Serie A is so much behind La Liga is the points from UEFA Cup.

So no, I don't see Bundesliga catching up with Serie A in the near future - I see the gap increasing. But I do agree, EPL will start pulling away from La Liga/Serie A.

Serie A are still attracting far better players than the bundesliga.

Just look at Dinho going to Milan. It still has draw.

Tweedle wrote:Serie A are still attracting far better players than the bundesliga.

Just look at Dinho going to Milan. It still has draw.

And Drogba and Hleb going to Inter

bluenine wrote:

Tweedle wrote:Serie A are still attracting far better players than the bundesliga.

Just look at Dinho going to Milan. It still has draw.

And Drogba and Hleb going to Inter

Drogba is very realistic He'd form a great partnership with Ibrah, but he's getting on so it'd probably only last for two years.

Good thing is he's a big game player, so it'll help balance it off against the fact that Ibrah is a complete choker

I expect La Liga to be the one in decline for the next 3-4 years with the Serie A to take up the fight with the EPL. Our technical football is not really that suited to European football any longer.

Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:Ballack is the only player worth shouting about, but even he is Cr@p now.

S4P wrote:

Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:Ballack is the only player worth shouting about, but even he is Cr@p now.

Forza can't have been watching much of Chelsea.

S4P wrote:

Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:Ballack is the only player worth shouting about, but even he is Cr@p now.

Ballack is and always was a world class player in my book. He had a tough first season getting used to chelsea and lampard, but he is again showing his class.

At Inter, I would rather have Ballack than Dinho.

bluenine wrote:

S4P wrote:

Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:Ballack is the only player worth shouting about, but even he is Cr@p now.

Ballack is and always was a world class player in my book. He had a tough first season getting used to chelsea and lampard, but he is again showing his class.

At Inter, I would rather have Ballack than Dinho.

It's a shame he doesn't have any real pace or even just a burst of pace (which would also allow him to go past defenders) because he has everything else imo.

S4P wrote:

bluenine wrote:

S4P wrote:

Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:Ballack is the only player worth shouting about, but even he is Cr@p now.

Ballack is and always was a world class player in my book. He had a tough first season getting used to chelsea and lampard, but he is again showing his class.

At Inter, I would rather have Ballack than Dinho.

It's a shame he doesn't have any real pace or even just a burst of pace (which would also allow him to go past defenders) because he has everything else imo.

But he has the ability to control the pace of the game, and can easily slow down the pace of the game to suit his play. Such players are more valuable IMO...

Tweedle wrote:

S4P wrote:

Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:Ballack is the only player worth shouting about, but even he is Cr@p now.

Forza can't have been watching much of Chelsea.

I was being provocative. But Ballack isn't the player he once was despite his good form currently.

2000. 2001 and 2002 where all bad years for italian teams and people where talking about the death of Serie A. Then came 2003 and 3 italian teams where in the semifinals of the CL.

Tweedle wrote:

S4P wrote:

Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:Ballack is the only player worth shouting about, but even he is Cr@p now.

Forza can't have been watching much of Chelsea.

at everyone but the Germans springing to Micha's defence

Ballack is the most complete midfielder in the world

bar none

end of story

Forza knows this; he is just having a laugh

Darling wrote:Ballack is the most complete midfielder in the world

bar none

end of story

Forza knows this; he is just having a laugh

I was being a bit of a WUM.

Liked him quite a bit since his Leverkusen days. But I think Essien is the most complete midfielder currently. Five years ago-- > Ballack.