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    Post by fcb Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:10 am

    And I haven't even spun that headline Razz

    http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news?slug=reu-spaintorres&prov=reuters&type=lgns


    MADRID, April 14 (Reuters) - Liverpool striker Fernando Torres said on Monday that Spain’s Primera Liga was stronger than the Premier League despite the presence of three English teams in the Champions League semi-finals.

    “In England the top four are better than the ones in Spain, above all when it comes to consistency,” the Spain international told Radio Marca. “Apart from that, the rest of the teams in the Primera Liga are stronger as they have more quality.”

    The former Atletico Madrid forward, who netted his 30th goal of the season in Liverpool’s 3-1 victory over Blackburn Rovers on Sunday, said he was enjoying the patience afforded by English supporters.

    “The fans aren’t on top of you all the time here, they give you time, they get behind you but don’t suffocate you. I’m very happy here,” he said.

    Torres added that he would like to meet Barcelona in the Champions League final in Moscow, if his side can get past Chelsea in the semis later this month.

    “The people here would prefer to face Manchester United, but I think it would be great to take on Barcelona,” he said.

    The Merseysiders knocked out Arsenal 5-3 on aggregate in the quarter-finals last week to make the final four for the third time in four years.

    They host Chelsea in the semi-final first leg on April 22 with the return leg at Stamford Bridge on April 30.

    United take Barcelona, the only non-Premier League side, Barca, in the second semi-final. (Writing by Mark Elkington; Editing by Padraic Halpin)
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    Post by The-Frank-Tavern Tue Apr 15, 2008 8:22 am

    hence he scored more goals in england, no surprises there then.
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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:39 am

    Bully.

    I always said that the EPL has the Better CL teams, but La Liga has better strength in depth.

    This may change if the middle ranking Prem teams get smart about what they spend their money on.
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    Post by Calidad Tue Apr 15, 2008 12:19 pm

    I agree with what Torres say's. To a lesser extent the same may be true of Serie A too.

    The top teams in La Liga generally find it more difficult to win their games against the 'smaller' side than their counterparts do in the EPL.
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    Post by lrdsucksgoats Tue Apr 15, 2008 12:38 pm

    The Coolest™ wrote:Bully.

    I always said that the EPL has the Better CL teams, but La Liga has better strength in depth.

    This may change if the middle ranking Prem teams get smart about what they spend their money on.


    I think it's been clear for a while that Spain has a stronger league, it's just the top handful in England are the richest clubs around and so consistently do well in Europe.
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    Post by The-Frank-Tavern Tue Apr 15, 2008 12:46 pm

    in england you almost expect man utd for example to win away unless they are playing another top 4 side when you MAY expect a draw depending on form etc. BUT in Spain i think you almost assume that the BIG teams will draw unless the other sides form is that bad
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    Post by christmasborocooper Tue Apr 15, 2008 12:48 pm

    The-Frank-Tavern wrote:in england you almost expect man utd for example to win away unless they are playing another top 4 side or Boro
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    Post by Parks lives Tue Apr 15, 2008 12:49 pm

    borocooper wrote:
    The-Frank-Tavern wrote:in england you almost expect man utd for example to win away unless they are playing another top 4 side or Boro

    Could add Blackburn as well. Had some great results against the top 4 under Hughes.
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    Post by The-Frank-Tavern Tue Apr 15, 2008 12:52 pm

    thought they'd been pretty poor this season parky didn't somebody say that the santa cruz goal v liverpool was only their 2nd v the top 4 this season with the other being the lehmann chuck in
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    Post by Parks lives Tue Apr 15, 2008 12:56 pm

    2 draws - Arsenal and Liverpool. Both games at home. So they are a difficult side to travel to.

    Last season they beat Liverpool and knocked Arsenal out of the FA cup.

    Season before that they did the double over us and also beat Arsenal.
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    Post by 110% Tue Apr 15, 2008 1:08 pm

    Parks lives wrote:2 draws - Arsenal and Liverpool. Both games at home. So they are a difficult side to travel to.

    Last season they beat Liverpool and knocked Arsenal out of the FA cup.

    Season before that they did the double over us and also beat Arsenal.

    does that mean 2 draws and 6 losses?

    and the season before the won 1 game against liverpool and 7 losses?

    etc.

    you could put man city or west ham in with that record as well then, done the double over you in more recent seasons.

    as for torres he might find it easier than when play for athletico, bascially because liverpool are better than athletico, and he doesn't have to do everything on his own.

    Mid-table teams taking points off the top teams when they are poor isn't exactly an indication of strength. If real or barca were strong this might be a point but not at the moment.
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    Post by The-Frank-Tavern Tue Apr 15, 2008 1:12 pm

    complete bollox re atletico tbh. we had ibagaza playing currently orchestrating a good season for mallorca, petrov whose been doing quite well for man city, aguero for a season, maxi who is simply awesome, to name a few. torres thought he was bigger than the club and stopped trying, we have been far more potent this season as we've had a front 2 not 2 individuals. Maxi is still there and simao for petrov, which aint that much difference as simao has struggled to settle, only now seeing the best of him imho
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    Post by -Torres- Tue Apr 15, 2008 1:15 pm

    He's playing with a quality side in England ... He wasn't in Spain!
    Maybe thats why Athletico found it harder against the ''lesser'' sides, As Liverpool would just crush them ..


    Or this season draw with them ..
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    Post by Parks lives Tue Apr 15, 2008 1:17 pm

    kas wrote:

    “The people here would prefer to face Manchester United, but I think it would be great to take on Barcelona,” he said.


    Btw, would that have anything to do with the indian sign he had over Barca and the fact he's been easily dealt with in the two games against Man United so far.
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    Post by The-Frank-Tavern Tue Apr 15, 2008 1:18 pm

    -Torres- wrote:He's playing with a quality side in England ... He wasn't in Spain!
    Maybe thats why Athletico found it harder against the ''lesser'' sides, As Liverpool would just crush them ..


    Or this season draw with them ..
    so he's played in both countries but you simply dismiss his knowledge, when you've done both come back to me Doh and domestically they are both in similar positions trying to scrape fourth to get ECL qualification
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    Post by Calidad Tue Apr 15, 2008 1:29 pm

    Saying Atletico are a poor side (which they're not - least not in a creative sense) doesn't really explain why more often than not he has been distinctly ordinary for the national side. Torres himself before his move to the EPL made the admission that he's better suited to EPL football, and that he is higher rated over here than in Spain (still highly thought of though). Barcelona aside, La Liga sides generally defended quite well against him.

    Some players just suit different leagues.
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    Post by Black Magic Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:28 pm

    Th league that has the best bottom 10 sides is Serie A, easily. If Catania or Empoli were in La Liga or the EPL they'd finish in the top 15. <Ale>
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    Post by Tweesus Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:37 pm

    Calidad wrote:I agree with what Torres say's. To a lesser extent the same may be true of Serie A too.

    The top teams in La Liga generally find it more difficult to win their games against the 'smaller' side than their counterparts do in the EPL.

    The grass is always greener. La liga certainly has stronger strength in depth at the moment. Not at all sure that Serie A do though. In fact, I'm certain they don't.
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    Post by Tweesus Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:48 pm

    The-Frank-Tavern wrote:hence he scored more goals in england, no surprises there then.

    Doh

    That statement's wrong in so many ways.

    Indeed many strikers that have struggled in the EPL have gone on to become 'top' strikers in la liga.

    Applying that logic you could claim that the EPL is stronger than La Liga
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    Post by Parks lives Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:50 pm

    ok

    Forlan, Kanoute, Rossi.

    Not like van Nistelrooy struggled either.
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    Post by The-Frank-Tavern Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:51 pm

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    Post by Calidad Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:52 pm

    Tweedle wrote:
    The-Frank-Tavern wrote:hence he scored more goals in england, no surprises there then.

    Doh

    That statement's wrong in so many ways.

    Indeed many strikers that have struggled in the EPL have gone on to become 'top' strikers in la liga.

    Applying that logic you could claim that the EPL is stronger than La Liga

    Some strikers just suit certain leagues and/or settle better elsewhere, whether it be cultural/football/confidence/maturity etc

    Some who haven't done great in Italy, have come to the EPL and become stars, others haven't. Same can be said for Spain.
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    Post by Parks lives Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:52 pm

    The-Frank-Tavern wrote:Henry

    He was finished last season.
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    Post by Kimbo Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:53 pm

    The-Frank-Tavern wrote:Henry

    Morientes.
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    Post by DS Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:53 pm

    Sinama Pongolle.
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    Post by The-Frank-Tavern Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:54 pm

    Parks lives wrote:
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    He was finished last season.
    bullsh¡t he was injured for much of it, i'd bet a good few quid if he went back to the EPL he'd still score a good few
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    Post by Parks lives Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:56 pm

    The-Frank-Tavern wrote:
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    He was finished last season.
    bullsh¡t he was injured for much of it, i'd bet a good few quid if he went back to the EPL he'd still score a good few

    Maybe around 15, but no where near the regularity he was scoring 2-3 years ago. He was playing poorly even when he was 'fit' last season. He has back problems as well.

    Very poor example.
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    Post by Calidad Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:59 pm

    Bergkamp, Henry, Arteta, Torres and perhaps even Zola have all done considerably better in the EPL than in other leagues (though Bergkamp was class in Holland)

    Some who haven't done well; Sheva, Nando, Forlan, Kanoute (to a degree)

    Cases of Sheva & Nando - both too old to adapt to a new league.

    As for Rossi little early. Think he's scored about 10 goals which is good, but a few have been penalty's and he's hardly set the league alight. Can't really call Kanoue a failure in the EPL, and Rossi a huge success in the La Liga.

    I'd say the same for Fabregas. Whenever he plays for Spain he is usually the worst in the midfield (looks a level below tbh) but in the EPL he stands out. I think someone like Gerrard would stand out even more in La Liga.
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    Post by The-Frank-Tavern Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:02 pm

    Parks lives wrote:
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    He was finished last season.
    bullsh¡t he was injured for much of it, i'd bet a good few quid if he went back to the EPL he'd still score a good few

    Maybe around 15, but no where near the regularity he was scoring 2-3 years ago. He was playing poorly even when he was 'fit' last season. He has back problems as well.

    Very poor example.
    i don't see it as a poor example i'd go as far to say he was not fully fit for virtually the entire season
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    Post by Parks lives Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:02 pm

    I wouldn't call Kanoute a flop in the EPL either but he was never one of the best strikers in the league, no where near.

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