10 best buys of the season

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story?id=534684&root=england&cc=3888


10. Kenwyne Jones (Sunderland)
9. Petrov (Man City)
8. Wilson Palacios (Wigan)
7. Jagielka (Everton)
6. Diarra (Pompey)
5. Tevez (Man United)
4. Distin (Portsmouth)
3. Sagna (Arsenal)
2. Torres (Liverpool)
1. Santa Cruz (Blackburn)

Afonso
Tuncay
Ali

Pienarr

Defoe?

Mascherano

Diarra - Arsenal

Why is Kenwynne Juones so highly rated? Kamara cost the same scored two fewer goals and no-one is calling him a good buy (mainly cause he isn't) .

Also at 20 million how is Torres so high? At that price he can only be a flop or value for money.

Santa cruz is far and away the buy of the season.

Khadrim wrote:Why is Kenwynne Juones so highly rated? Kamara cost the same scored two fewer goals and no-one is calling him a good buy (mainly cause he isn't) .

Also at 20 million how is Torres so high? At that price he can only be a flop or value for money.

Santa cruz is far and away the buy of the season.

Really surprises me why so many on this board think he's good. Though admittedly most of the praise I've read comes from saints (who would be prone to hyping up Southampton academy players) and Pierre (who has a very strange choice in players he thinks are good or not).

Fidel wrote:Diarra - Arsenal

Khadrim wrote:Why is Kenwynne Juones so highly rated? Kamara cost the same scored two fewer goals and no-one is calling him a good buy (mainly cause he isn't) .

Also at 20 million how is Torres so high? At that price he can only be a flop or value for money.

Santa cruz is far and away the buy of the season.

A good buy is also something that gives you value for money

Different levels of teams produce different expectations. Cruz for example may not have thrived in an environment which pizarro was thrown into at chelsea. There isn't much difference between cruz and pizarro but because cruz got the chance to settle at a smaller club he is now seen as the better player. The top clubs have to operate on a level where truthfully only the best players really succeed or stand out. Torres has done this this season which is why he is seen as such a success. Maybe cruz has found the level he is comfortable with and he won't be able to make the step up. We may never know


The extent of Kenwyne Jones hype is a mystery.

I find the Jones hype a bit mad aswell..he's a decent player, a better buy than getting Tuncay in on a free though? No.

To be honest I think they stuck him on the end of the 10 to make the list 50/50

People who don't rate Kenwyne Jones simply don't understand modern football - probably the same dickheads who don't rate Samaras and similar to loads of dickheads we have at Vicarage Road who don't rate Priskin.

Don't just look at the goals (he plays for Sunderland FFS) he was very high up in the assists charts.

He played Arsenal away on his own FFS and only lost 3-2.

Sunderland would have got less points than Derby without Jones so in a funny way he was one of the most influential players in the Prem and proof that if you give Roy Keane the money to sign 50 very expensive players, one of them will turn out good.

Name me a Prem team who wouldn't have him ?

Middlesbrough
Man Utd(cos surely..if they wanted him, they could have him?)
Chelsea..same reason.

Actually I cant be arsed to type the rest of the teams.

I dont rate Samaras that highly either, wasnt good enough for City in enough games..surely if any prem clubs thought so they'd have taken him on loan instead of Celtic? I read we were interested, got that bloody Afonso instead, damn it all to hell.

Corluka and Elano have been brilliant buys.

Hamann.

Eduardo should be there too. Had he not been injured he'd have been immense. Also Anderson and Tevez.

TheCrazy58 wrote:Eduardo should be there too. Had he not been injured he'd have been immense. Also Anderson and Tevez.

It's not a hypothetical list! It's who was the best performing signing of the season. Unfortunately for Eduardo, he got injured around the time he was starting to make an impression, but he didn't do enough before then to be called one of the 10 best buys.


Don't know why Diarra's on the list. He's been alright for Pompey but only joined in Jan. I'd say Muntari's been as good as Diarra, but over a longer period.

debaser wrote:

TheCrazy58 wrote:Eduardo should be there too. Had he not been injured he'd have been immense. Also Anderson and Tevez.

It's not a hypothetical list! It's who was the best performing signing of the season. Unfortunately for Eduardo, he got injured around the time he was starting to make an impression, but he didn't do enough before then to be called one of the 10 best buys.


Don't know why Diarra's on the list. He's been alright for Pompey but only joined in Jan. I'd say Muntari's been as good as Diarra, but over a longer period.

Ah OK. I didn't actually read the article.

DS wrote:Hamann.

We didnt sign him last summer, we signed him the summer before.

TheCrazy58 wrote:Eduardo should be there too. Had he not been injured he'd have been immense. Also Anderson and Tevez.

Eduardo had one good patch of form after three months of anonymity. And most of his goals came against vastly inferior opposition.


He wasn't even close to being a top 10 signing. This is as much a joke as saying Diarra-Arsenal was one of the 10 best transfers.


Seriously, you Arsenal fans are so blinkered.

KJones has amazing physical qualities. Not just strength and pace but he also has great agility. We don't know how good a finisher he is because Sunderland didn't create enough chances for him to miss but his hold up play was Adebayor like but with more agility though both seem to have a poor 1st touch.

To modern players - Pace, hight and strength

Sgoater1 wrote:

DS wrote:Hamann.

We didnt sign him last summer, we signed him the summer before.

Didnt remember apologies.

Fidel wrote:

TheCrazy58 wrote:Eduardo should be there too. Had he not been injured he'd have been immense. Also Anderson and Tevez.

Eduardo had one good patch of form after three months of anonymity. And most of his goals came against vastly inferior opposition.


He wasn't even close to being a top 10 signing. This is as much a joke as saying Diarra-Arsenal was one of the 10 best transfers.


Seriously, you Arsenal fans are so blinkered.

http://www.football-lineups.com/footballer/7869/

Scored twelve in all competitions, seven of them against Sevilla, Blackburn, Man City and Everton. Those against Blackburn were in Carling Cup but they fielded their first XI. Vastly inferior opposition? You flatter us.

TheCrazy58 wrote:
http://www.football-lineups.com/footballer/7869/

Scored twelve in all competitions, seven of them against Sevilla, Blackburn, Man City and Everton. Those against Blackburn were in Carling Cup but they fielded their first XI. Vastly inferior opposition?

Prague? Sheffield United? Burnley?

12 goals in 31 appearances isn't particularly impressive for a player who does nothing apart from score goals. His performances as a split striker/winger were abysmal. If we take out the piece of piss games he scored in, his record is 8 goals in 28 appearances.

Which is certainly not good enough to be a top 10 transfer.

Fidel wrote:

TheCrazy58 wrote:
http://www.football-lineups.com/footballer/7869/

Scored twelve in all competitions, seven of them against Sevilla, Blackburn, Man City and Everton. Those against Blackburn were in Carling Cup but they fielded their first XI. Vastly inferior opposition?

Prague? Sheffield United? Burnley?

12 goals in 31 appearances isn't particularly impressive for a player who does nothing apart from score goals. His performances as a split striker/winger were abysmal. If we take out the piece of piss games he scored in, his record is 8 goals in 28 appearances.

Which is certainly not good enough to be a top 10 transfer.

I'm merely pointing out the fault in your initial assertion. You said most of Eduardo's goals were scored against 'vastly inferior opposition' and that is patently wrong. Also, 12 goals in 31 appearances for someone who was new to the Premiership and also 8 of these 31 were from off the bench - that looks decent enough to me.

TheCrazy58 wrote:
I'm merely pointing out the fault in your initial assertion. You said most of Eduardo's goals were scored against 'vastly inferior opposition' and that is patently wrong. Also, 12 goals in 31 appearances for someone who was new to the Premiership and also 8 of these 31 were from off the bench - that looks decent enough to me.

You lot can't have it both ways - either your youngsters are 'better than anyone outside the top four', which means mid table teams are vastly inferior opposition, or your youngsters aren't that good and the likes of West Ham and Blackburn are credible opposition.

Sure, Eduardo was 'decent enough'. But 'decent enough' isn't good enough to be a top 10 transfer. Which is what you said. Which is patently wrong.

DS wrote:

Sgoater1 wrote:

DS wrote:Hamann.

We didnt sign him last summer, we signed him the summer before.

Didnt remember apologies.

No its fair enough he is like a new signing cos he didnt play much last season. Great deal for £500k.

Fidel wrote:

TheCrazy58 wrote:
I'm merely pointing out the fault in your initial assertion. You said most of Eduardo's goals were scored against 'vastly inferior opposition' and that is patently wrong. Also, 12 goals in 31 appearances for someone who was new to the Premiership and also 8 of these 31 were from off the bench - that looks decent enough to me.

You lot can't have it both ways - either your youngsters are 'better than anyone outside the top four', which means mid table teams are vastly inferior opposition, or your youngsters aren't that good and the likes of West Ham and Blackburn are credible opposition.

Sure, Eduardo was 'decent enough'. But 'decent enough' isn't good enough to be a top 10 transfer. Which is what you said. Which is patently wrong.

I seem to remember ManU losing against WHam and drawing vs Blackburn this season - not credible opposition for you? Maybe if you win the league you can have it both ways.

But this is turning into one of these futile MB arguments. You will never be wrong so far as you're concerned and to be honest, I really don't care. You keep to your views and I will keep to mine.

TheCrazy58 wrote:
I seem to remember ManU losing against WHam and drawing vs Blackburn this season - not credible opposition for you? Maybe if you win the league you can have it both ways.

Utterly and completely irrelevant, and exactly the sort of diversionary tactic I'd expect from a blinkered, know nothing Arsenal fan. Man U beat Arsenal by 4 goals in one game this season, whereas they only beat Derby by the odd goal both times they played them.

So I'll ask you - does this mean Derby are better than Arsenal? By your logic, it would seem so.

But this is turning into one of these futile MB arguments. You will never be wrong so far as you're concerned and to be honest, I really don't care. You keep to your views and I will keep to mine.

You are the one trying to defend your views with increasingly desperate and diversionary arguments. You are the one clinging to your original claim and refusing to accept that scoring not many goals against significantly weaker teams hardly makes someone a star.

Just because he got crippled (and quite rightly, given his behaviour the week before), doesn't make him a better player. You have pursued a ludicrous line in this thread and now it has been torn apart, only pride is left.


Get some balls.

Fidel wrote:Just because he got crippled (and quite rightly, given his behaviour the week before)