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    Ballack's 2002 nightmare

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    Post by Antarion Thu May 22, 2008 4:10 pm

    My thoughts: You cant say england fail to be a big football nation cause of the penalty curse.

    Ballack was not world class yesterday, but one of the better players. He was present on the field more then most others. That makes him good. Lampard did score a goal but that was it.
    I liked Essien and J.Cole too. They were very strong.


    Another rather funny anecdote:
    The day before the final i read in the newspaper about the russian military. They said nobody asked them to remove the clouds over moscow - they would have if anyone said it. The thing was: The stadion secures that no fan have to stay in the rain and the field has a drainage.
    So if anyone would have asked them to remove the clouds, terry wouldnt slide away and chelsea could have won. Ha ha Very Happy
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    Post by dont panic! Thu May 22, 2008 4:12 pm

    Toni Kroos wrote:in his poistion he is the best in the world

    its not his fault that he lost yesterday

    terry that c**t couldnt handle the pressure, typical english, only english guys slide in such important moments

    i didnt see ballack winning the game for chelsea yesterday..did you?..about 50 shots flying wide of the goal and whining to the ref at all times are not the signs of a composed player..

    ballack is a loser..end of story...
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    Post by Kroos Thu May 22, 2008 4:15 pm

    great wind up Rolling Eyes

    why is only ballack the loser, the whole chelsea side lost

    what have chelsea players won so far on international level, nothing



    ballack will win the euro08 and he will play for chelsea 2-3 years, enough chances to win the cl
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    Post by Machiavel Thu May 22, 2008 4:17 pm

    What has Ballack won on the international stage: nothing, and like that there is nothing to guarantee he will win Euro 2008.
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    Post by Isco Benny Thu May 22, 2008 4:24 pm

    Toni Kroos wrote:great wind up Rolling Eyes

    why is only ballack the loser, the whole chelsea side lost

    what have chelsea players won so far on international level, nothing



    ballack will win the euro08 and he will play for chelsea 2-3 years, enough chances to win the cl

    Well if you're going to be a c**t and blame it on Terry and everyone lese bar Ballack, how about this:

    The 2 seasons before Ballack came to Chelsea, they won the EPL twice, and the FA and League Cups,

    since Ballack has been at Chelsea, they have won NOTHING.

    You say Terry bottled it? Well if thats the case then Ballack bottled the whole game - wild shots, misplaced passes. He wasnt awful, but I expected better of him.

    And finally, scoring a penalty does not make you the World's greatest Captain - winning finals does. And Ballack is a perennial second placer, losing more finals than most of us have had hot dinners. Does this make him a bad captain? In all the same ways as missing a penalty makes you a bad captain.

    So stop being a c**t, because I was beginning to warm to Ballack, but people like you and Otto with your tiresome $h!t make it ever so difficult and undo all the good work of the other fabulous german posters on here. W to the mo fo G Ale
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    Post by Kroos Thu May 22, 2008 4:34 pm

    no player yesterday was outstanding, where anybody could say, wow what a performance

    rooney tevez where $h!t the whole game


    and chelsea won the two blp titles before ballak, because there was no real contender at this time
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    Post by Effenberg Thu May 22, 2008 4:36 pm

    It should also be pointed out that it is infinitely harder to finish second with Leverkusen than it is to win a competition on one of the big teams. Same goes for Germany 2002 which were carried to the finals entirely by Ballack and Kahn.

    The board is getting really terrible with the pissing contests. Ballack's the worst, Ballack's the best. Like 3-year-olds.

    For the record, I feel even worse for Terry than for Ballack. I respect him, same goes for Lampard, ALTHOUGH they're English. Unthinkable, I know.

    Guess I'm old-fashioned.
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    Post by dont panic! Thu May 22, 2008 5:00 pm

    Effenberg wrote:It should also be pointed out that it is infinitely harder to finish second with Leverkusen than it is to win a competition on one of the big teams. Same goes for Germany 2002 which were carried to the finals entirely by Ballack and Kahn.

    The board is getting really terrible with the pissing contests. Ballack's the worst, Ballack's the best. Like 3-year-olds.

    For the record, I feel even worse for Terry than for Ballack. I respect him, same goes for Lampard, ALTHOUGH they're English. Unthinkable, I know.

    Guess I'm old-fashioned.

    well..ill match that..i actually feel sorry for ballack...and im english...thats called normal human mitgefühl oder?

    its a sad state when being decent is not the norm...
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    Post by Isco Benny Thu May 22, 2008 5:23 pm

    Effenberg wrote:It should also be pointed out that it is infinitely harder to finish second with Leverkusen than it is to win a competition on one of the big teams. Same goes for Germany 2002 which were carried to the finals entirely by Ballack and Kahn.

    The board is getting really terrible with the pissing contests. Ballack's the worst, Ballack's the best. Like 3-year-olds.

    For the record, I feel even worse for Terry than for Ballack. I respect him, same goes for Lampard, ALTHOUGH they're English. Unthinkable, I know.

    Guess I'm old-fashioned.

    Been saying all night since yesterday that I felt bad for Ballack - the fella didnt deserve to lose another final, so the feeling is mutual Ale

    Kroos is being a c**t though, calling other people c**ts when he is being a c**t himself.

    Rooney set up 2 clear cut chances, so how was he $h!t you silly c**t?

    c**t off c**t.

    c**t

    (such a great word: c**t) Ale
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    Post by monty Thu May 22, 2008 6:15 pm

    Thought Ballack played well last night, started to control the midfield as the game went on. Didn't deserve to be on the losing side.
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    Post by Effenberg Thu May 22, 2008 6:22 pm

    dont panic! wrote: well..ill match that..i actually feel sorry for ballack...

    You're kidding, right? You're putting him and everything else German down whenever the opportunity arises. In fact you called Ballack a loser on this very page!

    No need to feign sympathy all of a sudden.
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    Post by dont panic! Fri May 23, 2008 4:39 pm

    Effenberg wrote:
    dont panic! wrote: well..ill match that..i actually feel sorry for ballack...

    You're kidding, right? You're putting him and everything else German down whenever the opportunity arises. In fact you called Ballack a loser on this very page!

    No need to feign sympathy all of a sudden.

    so one cant feel sorry for a loser now or what?...odd...why would i feel sorry for a winner?

    says a lot about you if you cant feel sorry for people..and cant understand how anyone can feel sorry...for people no matter where they come from or who they play for..i do feel sorry for ballack..must have been terrible for him.
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    Post by DS Sat May 24, 2008 7:13 am

    Football's unluckiest number 13

    French existentialist Jean Paul Sartre knew a thing or two about philosophy.
    So when he immortalised himself in his play No Exit with the lines
    "l'enfer, c'est les autres" (which translates itself into English as
    ‘hell is other people’), he probably knew what he was talking about.
    It would hardly be a challenge to find people to agree with him, but
    there is a certain person who might, taking his own personal
    experiences into account, just about beg to differ.
    That man is Michael Ballack.
    Because, for the elegant midfielder, ‘hell has always been about finishing second.’
    Ballack’s storied career begins in the streets of Gorlitz, in what was
    formerly East Germany. A natural talent at an early age his impeccable
    play and football brain set him apart from his peers. This boy would
    grow up to be a winner was everyone’s judgement.
    Yet it never really turned out that way for Michael.
    Making his break with Kaiserlaurten, under the tutelage of Otto
    Rehangel (with whom who did not always see eye to eye), Ballack’s
    consummate ‘midfield stroller’ style won him some admirers but numerous
    detractors.
    His cocky head-up style of play and seemingly lazy demeanour hardly helped the image, but his talent was there for all to see.
    A talent which finally came to bed in the infancy of the new millennium
    as he twice led his team Bayer Leverkusen heartbreakingly close to
    Bundesliga glory – only to see it snatched away at the end.
    The second of those years saw the story of Leverkusen adapted into
    football folklore. In the running for three titles come the end of the
    season, they won none, losing out to Bayern Munich twice and a Zinedine
    Zidane special in the final of the Champions League in Hampden.
    2002 was all set to be Ballack’s year, but his hell had already arrived.
    The cruel sobriquet of ‘Neverkusen’ tagged him into the World Cup in
    Asia in the summer, but Ballack showed the resilience that has marked
    his career.
    Standing tall time and again, he and Oliver Kahn danced to their own
    little tune as they propelled a thoroughly mediocre Germany into the
    final of the World Cup against Brazil.
    It was to be the biggest game of Ballack’s life - - only he never even
    played in it. A necessary foul in the previous game against South Korea
    had seen him booked. His infraction would cost him his place in the
    final, Ballack knew, but there were no ‘tears of Gazza,’ no
    remonstration, no regrets.
    Instead he pulled himself up to score the winning goal not minutes
    later to put his team into the biggest game in football. It didn’t
    matter that he would not play in it.
    Ballack’s subsequent move to Bayern Munich was seen as a chance to end
    the drought of trophies. And he was satisfied, albeit briefly.
    Bundesliga crowns and DFB Cup’s followed but Ballack was eyeing bigger
    prizes – the Champions League still proved elusive, Germany crashed at
    the Euro’s and the Confederation Cup proved a bridge too far despite
    his probings.
    Where it mattered, the man was still losing out and he was getting no younger.
    Perhaps the World Cup would help. A tactical sacrifice saw him desert
    his previous adventurous style to bring more stability to Germany. And
    that it did with Ballack playing a captain’s role as he led his team
    into the semifinals, only to be so cruelly denied at the end by
    subsequent champions Italy.
    This time the arrogant strut was gone. The tears flowed for Ballack. He knew his World Cup chapter may have been closed.
    Chelsea was supposed to bring him the glory that he so desired. A
    settling in period in the first season saw Ballack much maligned for
    his low-key performances but FA and Carling Cup glory made up for
    missing out the real trophies.
    Ballack would not stand any of that in his second season. After his
    return from a career-threatening injury he proved the driving force
    behind Chelsea’s challenge, leading from the front in both the
    Champions League and in the league.
    Yet as fate would dictate yet again, Ballack was in for some more cruel blows.
    United pipped the league on the last day, but Ballack’s eyes were firmly on Moscow and the Champions League.
    He played his role, did everything asked of him but score, converted in
    the shoot-out and waited to have the winner’s medal he so desired.
    For one fleeting moment, he might have believed. But all too soon it
    was gone. One fatal slip of John Terry’s boot was all it took and
    Ballack’s dreams came crashing down once again, six years after the
    nightmare of 2002.
    Unlike at Hampden, this time the rain in Moscow could not hide the tears of the man.
    The reasons are understandable.
    At Hampden was a man with the world at his feet, here there was a man who felt his time was running out.
    ‘History remembers winners,’ is something Ballack himself parroted. ‘I
    don’t want to be known as someone who came close a few times but was
    never good enough.’
    The truth might hurt Michael. Because, the fact that he is good enough is something everyone (himself included) knows.
    Perhaps he is just not lucky enough. But he should fear not for his legacy.
    For while history may not remember Michael Ballack as a winner, they
    will almost certainly remember his as football’s greatest nearly man.
    As they say, ‘c'est la vie.’

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