The first 5 RM CL trophies don't REALLY count!

Sirs,


I asketh ye, really how strong was t'comp in its infancy? Not much, i dare ask how many clubs even participated!

I have to admit i ave lost some respect for t'RM acheivement! Take thos 5 out and they have won LESS tham L'pool, Milan and are only 2 trophies ahead of Man Utd!

Dick Grayson wrote:Sirs,


I asketh ye, really how strong was t'comp in its infancy? Not much, i dare ask how many clubs even participated!

I have to admit i ave lost some respect for t'RM acheivement! Take thos 5 out and they have won LESS tham L'pool, Milan and are only 2 trophies ahead of Man Utd!

Does Brazils world cup matter? How about Italys? And Englands? or any trophy won before 1970?

Super Madrid wrote:

Dick Grayson wrote:Sirs,


I asketh ye, really how strong was t'comp in its infancy? Not much, i dare ask how many clubs even participated!

I have to admit i ave lost some respect for t'RM acheivement! Take thos 5 out and they have won LESS tham L'pool, Milan and are only 2 trophies ahead of Man Utd!

Does Brazils world cup matter? How about Italys? And Englands? or any trophy won before 1970?

No need to get upset old darling....twas merely saying that those 5 early cups are meaningless and have VERY little credibilty!
Tis all. Tis fact.

Dick Grayson wrote:

Super Madrid wrote:

Dick Grayson wrote:Sirs,


I asketh ye, really how strong was t'comp in its infancy? Not much, i dare ask how many clubs even participated!

I have to admit i ave lost some respect for t'RM acheivement! Take thos 5 out and they have won LESS tham L'pool, Milan and are only 2 trophies ahead of Man Utd!

Does Brazils world cup matter? How about Italys? And Englands? or any trophy won before 1970?

No need to get upset old darling....twas merely saying that those 5 early cups are meaningless and have VERY little credibilty!
Tis all. Tis fact.

Not mad because i have heard it before. but do anything pre 1970 count then? what if someone told 50 years from now that football around 1990's didnt matter and Man utds Triple didnt mean much?

Super Madrid wrote:

Dick Grayson wrote:

Super Madrid wrote:

Dick Grayson wrote:Sirs,


I asketh ye, really how strong was t'comp in its infancy? Not much, i dare ask how many clubs even participated!

I have to admit i ave lost some respect for t'RM acheivement! Take thos 5 out and they have won LESS tham L'pool, Milan and are only 2 trophies ahead of Man Utd!

Does Brazils world cup matter? How about Italys? And Englands? or any trophy won before 1970?

No need to get upset old darling....twas merely saying that those 5 early cups are meaningless and have VERY little credibilty!
Tis all. Tis fact.

Not mad because i have heard it before. but do anything pre 1970 count then? what if someone told 50 years from now that football around 1990's didnt matter and Man utds Triple didnt mean much?

i am NOT sayig that comps pre a certain date dont count - just that this com p in its INFANCY would NOT have been as INTENSE or credible as it may have been 10 years on after being firmly established!
Tis all.
So eefectively those 5 trophies dount count for $h!t!!!

Manchester United played in the early days so surely that is enough to validate the tournament.

And even if you want to subtract them we still have more than Man Utd!

UEFA should nulify the trophies pre 1960!

But where do we draw the line Dick? The first 5 years or the first 10 years? And What about the world cup and euros?

Firsy 5 years seems a fair period. They have little credibilty really! Only trophy/wins in name, nay deed.

Dick Grayson wrote:Firsy 5 years seems a fair period. They have little credibilty really! Only trophy/wins in name, nay deed.

But can you argue why it should be 5 years and not 10 years?
If the Busby side didnt lose to Real and went on to win would you not have counted it?

Dick Grayson wrote:Firsy 5 years seems a fair period. They have little credibilty really! Only trophy/wins in name, nay deed.

Nah, I think we should only count the CL post-1999.

For only 1 team to win t'first 5 trophies of a NEW comp clearly shows that it was in early development phase and if it was TRULY competitive then others would have won it too!

and not RM were not that good, that they won it.

shame. no credibilty.

Dick Grayson wrote:For only 1 team to win t'first 5 trophies of a NEW comp clearly shows that it was in early development phase and if it was TRULY competitive then others would have won it too!

and not RM were not that good, that they won it.

shame. no credibilty.

Hmmm....you're right. The same goes for the Premier League. Man U won four of the first five Premier League titles. Clearly not a competitive tournament. Strike them from the record!

Jaime wrote:

Dick Grayson wrote:For only 1 team to win t'first 5 trophies of a NEW comp clearly shows that it was in early development phase and if it was TRULY competitive then others would have won it too!

and not RM were not that good, that they won it.

shame. no credibilty.

Hmmm....you're right. The same goes for the Premier League. Man U won four of the first five Premier League titles. Clearly not a competitive tournament. Strike them from the record!

Ajax and Bayern also had spells where they won more then one so those shouldnt count either.

Strike all their achievements with Di Stefano...he was our player, says I.

Dick Grayson wrote:Sirs,


I asketh ye, really how strong was t'comp in its infancy? Not much, i dare ask how many clubs even participated!

I have to admit i ave lost some respect for t'RM acheivement! Take thos 5 out and they have won LESS tham L'pool, Milan and are only 2 trophies ahead of Man Utd!

Very silly thread, Dick. I am in 2 minds, is this just a wind up for fun, or are you actually serious??

IMO, every event of each competition is a as credible as the other. The competitive forces will change with time, they always do. The prestige of the championship will also change with time. But a trophy is a trophy.

The Real team which won the first 5 championships was one of the greatest sides ever built. It had some great legends of the game playing together - the first team with real galacticos, a system which Real tried to copy in early 2000s without the same results. Di Stefano, Puskas, Kopa, Gento, Rial.... its the stuff of legends, mate.

Whatever the circumstances, I think each EC/CL win is worth as much as the other. They are equally credible.

I have no problem with counting the real madrid trophies.
What i really dont like that much, are the world cup trophies before the war. 1930-1938...

I think some teams couldnt even go to the first world cup in south america, cause flight was too expensive for them (think it was yugoslavia). Also, there were some really biased referees. Wasnt there a video of a referee playing the ball active with his head to help one team?