European Cups- reorganization 2009/2010

In 2009/20010 there will be a reorganization in european cups (CL, UC).
What about 'geografic zoning/partition' in qualifications?? (Northern region, Central-East region and Southern-Mediterranean region)

It will be, or not this partitions?? I think it sholdn't be... (central-east region is very strong, northern is decidedly
to easy) It's not fair.....
In my opinion it should be one, central partitions, like in ex. 2004/05 season.

In 2009/10 there will be a 4'th qualification round and all shoul be central for all Europe.

Hi and welcome

I'm slightly confused. Do you have an article about this?

UEFA Cup: New Format in 2009/2010
On November, 30th 2007 UEFA decided to introduce a new format for the UEFA Cup for the three-year cycle, starting in the season 2009/2010. The biggest change is that there will be a group stage with 12 groups of 4 (in a double round robin) instead of 8 groups of 5. Apart from that, the qualification will change significantly. [5]

Associations ranked 7-9 will send the Cup winner and 3 other teams to the UEFA Cup qualification, all other nations send a Cup winner and 2 other teams, except Liechtenstein, Andorra and San Marino, who will only send a Cup winner. Usually, the other teams will be the next highest ranked clubs in each domestic league after those participating in the Champions League, however France and England will most likely continue to use one spot for their League Cup winner. Additionally, 3 places in the first of four qualifying rounds are still reserved for Fair Play winners.

Generally, the higher an association is ranked in the UEFA coefficients, the later its clubs start in the qualification, however every team except the title holder has to play at least one qualification round.

Apart from the teams mentioned, an additional 15 losing teams from the Champions League qualification round 2 will enter in the last UEFA Cup qualification round, and the 10 losers of the Champions League qualification round 3 will directly enter the UEFA Cup group stage. The 12 winners and the 12 runners-up in the group stage will advance to the first knock out round, together with 8 3rd placed teams from the Champions League.

The Intertoto Cup will be abolished and folded into the UEFA Cup, much like the Cup Winners' Cup had been in the late 1990s.

Champions League: Changes to the competition format from 2009/10 onwards
The main focus of the changes was to enable champions coming from associations ranked 13 to 53 much easier access to the main tournament through a separate qualifying route, rather than going head-to-head with non-champions from associations ranked 1 to 12. Five teams will enter into the group stage from each new route.

22 teams will now directly qualify for the group stage, the additional 6 teams being champions of associations ranked 10 to 12, and 3rd placed teams in associations ranked 1 to 3. It was also decided that the final would be played on the Saturday evening in calendar week 20 (20:45 CEST) from 2009/10 onwards, instead of the Wednesday evening.[3]

yes, but we still don't know Debaser, about:
...about 'geografic zoning/partition' in qualifications?? (Northern region, Central-East region and Southern-Mediterranean region) in Uefa Cup [4'th round] qualiications............

I get you. depends how they split it, really...you say North is weak, but would that not include English, French, Dutch, Belgian leagues + Scandinavia? There'd be some strong teams in that.

of course, if it's just England + Scandinavia, I agree it would be alot weaker than the other two 'zones'

debaser wrote:UEFA Cup: New Format in 2009/2010
On November, 30th 2007 UEFA decided to introduce a new format for the UEFA Cup for the three-year cycle, starting in the season 2009/2010. The biggest change is that there will be a group stage with 12 groups of 4 (in a double round robin) instead of 8 groups of 5. Apart from that, the qualification will change significantly. [5]

Associations ranked 7-9 will send the Cup winner and 3 other teams to the UEFA Cup qualification, all other nations send a Cup winner and 2 other teams, except Liechtenstein, Andorra and San Marino, who will only send a Cup winner. Usually, the other teams will be the next highest ranked clubs in each domestic league after those participating in the Champions League, however France and England will most likely continue to use one spot for their League Cup winner. Additionally, 3 places in the first of four qualifying rounds are still reserved for Fair Play winners.

Generally, the higher an association is ranked in the UEFA coefficients, the later its clubs start in the qualification, however every team except the title holder has to play at least one qualification round.

Apart from the teams mentioned, an additional 15 losing teams from the Champions League qualification round 2 will enter in the last UEFA Cup qualification round, and the 10 losers of the Champions League qualification round 3 will directly enter the UEFA Cup group stage. The 12 winners and the 12 runners-up in the group stage will advance to the first knock out round, together with 8 3rd placed teams from the Champions League.

The Intertoto Cup will be abolished and folded into the UEFA Cup, much like the Cup Winners' Cup had been in the late 1990s.

Champions League: Changes to the competition format from 2009/10 onwards
The main focus of the changes was to enable champions coming from associations ranked 13 to 53 much easier access to the main tournament through a separate qualifying route, rather than going head-to-head with non-champions from associations ranked 1 to 12. Five teams will enter into the group stage from each new route.

22 teams will now directly qualify for the group stage, the additional 6 teams being champions of associations ranked 10 to 12, and 3rd placed teams in associations ranked 1 to 3. It was also decided that the final would be played on the Saturday evening in calendar week 20 (20:45 CEST) from 2009/10 onwards, instead of the Wednesday evening.[3]

That sounds impressive even after a couple of months have passed since it was announced. I can't actually think of one thing I could realistically change, which given UEFA's recent history is a pleasant change.

debaser wrote:I get you. depends how they split it, really...you say North is weak, but would that not include English, French, Dutch, Belgian leagues + Scandinavia? There'd be some strong teams in that.

of course, if it's just England + Scandinavia, I agree it would be alot weaker than the other two 'zones'

yes, You have write, friend, but England is to strong, so they will don't play in UEFA Cup qualifications..... like in this year (only Man City, because these team won Uefa FAIR Play)

Southern-Mediterranean: Albania, Andorra, Bosnia, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Greece, Israel, Italy, Macedonia, Malta, Montenegro, Portugal, Romania, San Marino, Serbia, Slovenia, Spain, and Turkey.
Central-East: Armenia, Austria, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Czech Republic, France, Georgia, Germany, Hungary, Kazakhstan, Liechtenstein, Moldova, Poland, Russia, Slovakia, Switzerland, and Ukraine.
Northern: Belgium, Denmark, England, Estonia, Faroe Islands, Finland, Iceland, Ireland, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Northern Ireland, Norway, Scotland, Sweden, and Wales.

Please visit tkise web site:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/seeduc2008.html

there You can see a UEFA team ranking points.......

(I don't copy this, because there is so much)

So maciej is it a good change for Polish shite football teams?

Southern-Mediterranean looks the strongest imo.

Also, welcome to the board.

Zizinhohakker wrote:So maciej is it a good change for Polish shite football teams?

Polishisn't SHITE !!!!!
in my country league don't play the best players in the world like in England..... foregin players of course

Gone wrote:Southern-Mediterranean looks the strongest imo.

Also, welcome to the board.

yes, but Gone but the best country teems from his region will not play in qualification..... if You see in the web site, with I write obout above, You see, that the strongest is Central-East group.....


so this reform is good fot Poland and other league from 9 to 53 in Europe, I think....unfortunately in CL in 2009 there will be not 4 very good teams from England, Spain and Italy....

pz. If You are from Bukareszt, probobly You now paweł Golański from Steaua
thanks, I wellcome too.....

maciej188 wrote:

Zizinhohakker wrote:So maciej is it a good change for Polish shite football teams?

Polishisn't SHITE !!!!!
in my country league don't play the best players in the world like in England..... foregin players of course

Polish league lacks quality , we haven't been in CL group stages for 10 or 11 years. I'm only asking if this system will provide us with any better chances?

Yes, you are right. I know people talked about this when Johansson was president of UEFA and that he favors the Scandinavian team with this rule.

Pawel had a great second half. He is in the team for the Euro, right?

Zizinhohakker - from with country You are??
Yes, last time we are 11 years ago (Legia Warszawa, and we go to 1/4 final)
now,our clubs are some problems, but we go up from year to year.... our clubs have about 2-14 miliioneuros budget for year....
but we play in uefa cup too and we can elimined Man City, Herta Berlin, Parma AC, Schalke 04 and many more last time....
this topic is about European Cups- reorganization and qualifications ;]
in this year, maybe the best Polish team in thise year Wisla Krakow play in stage group of CL

Gone wrote:Yes, you are right. I know people talked about this when Johansson was president of UEFA and that he favors the Scandinavian team with this rule.

Pawel had a great second half. He is in the team for the Euro, right?

that's it. But in 2009/2010 there will be this geografy partitions in UEFA Cup qualifications still?? (In next rounds of uefa and CL there isn't it)


Yes Paweł is in 23 best Polish players at themoment and he will be play in Austria

maciej188 wrote:

Gone wrote:Yes, you are right. I know people talked about this when Johansson was president of UEFA and that he favors the Scandinavian team with this rule.

Pawel had a great second half. He is in the team for the Euro, right?

that's it. But in 2009/2010 there will be this geografy partitions in UEFA Cup qualifications still?? (In next rounds of uefa and CL there isn't it)


Yes Paweł is in 23 best Polish players at themoment and he will be play in Austria

I don't think anyone knows. That's anyone outside UEFA.

yes,maybe thay change rules from 2009

Good changes in the UEFA Cup, and I like the fact that there will now probably be more countries represented in the CL group stages.... however, this could mean (correct me if I am wrong) that some teams from top leagues face each other before the CL group stage. Like a Liverpool vs Fiorentina qualifier. That would input some interest in the qualifiers!!!

Good stuff, well done Platini - he has been talking about this for some time now.

Bluenine- there will be not CL qualification for team comes from the best liegues from Europe......
http://www.90minut.pl/news.php?id=652846 => information about this, but in PL only

bluenine wrote: Good changes in the UEFA Cup, and I like the fact that there will now probably be more countries represented in the CL group stages.... however, this could mean (correct me if I am wrong) that some teams from top leagues face each other before the CL group stage. Like a Liverpool vs Fiorentina qualifier. That would input some interest in the qualifiers!!!

Good stuff, well done Platini - he has been talking about this for some time now.

The non Champions from nations ranked 1-15 enter two staged qualifying round.

I'd assume teams from nations ranked 6-15 play off against each other in two legged tie, the winners meeting the nations from 1-5 in a second qualifying stage over two legs. I'd assume it'll be seeded, so the bigger clubs will still avoid each other, but they are more likely to get a tougher tie.

Seeding becomes even more important, can't understand why Italian sides don't take the UEFA Cup seriously when you consider how much harder it can make doing well in the CL be.

Dwarf wrote:

bluenine wrote: Good changes in the UEFA Cup, and I like the fact that there will now probably be more countries represented in the CL group stages.... however, this could mean (correct me if I am wrong) that some teams from top leagues face each other before the CL group stage. Like a Liverpool vs Fiorentina qualifier. That would input some interest in the qualifiers!!!

Good stuff, well done Platini - he has been talking about this for some time now.

The non Champions from nations ranked 1-15 enter two staged qualifying round.

I'd assume teams from nations ranked 6-15 play off against each other in two legged tie, the winners meeting the nations from 1-5 in a second qualifying stage over two legs. I'd assume it'll be seeded, so the bigger clubs will still avoid each other, but they are more likely to get a tougher tie.

Seeding becomes even more important, can't understand why Italian sides don't take the UEFA Cup seriously when you consider how much harder it can make doing well in the CL be.

Draf- it's not true.... teams from 1-3 place in home league, from the best 3 nacion ranking play in CL with out qualifications

ee.......

here You are official rules, but it is translated by..... www translator:



1 December 2007, 0:25:53 - european cup 2009/2010 maciejko executive committee has approved (has validated) reform of european contest (match) to friday in lucerne - information UEFA, which (who) will bind (be in force) from season 2009/2010. We present details of (particularities of) formats of new cup ties our readers. Changes are considerable, but that for poland most important advantageous rather. At least this cup system will bind (be in force) seasons by three. Biggest changes have touched LEAGUE OF CHAMPION for league of champion 2009/2010 phase of elimination. Demarcation of eliminatory ladder is from they among for champions of countries most important eliminations " weak " and eliminations for teams from next places from strongest leagues. It for champion message (knowledge) polish < poland > very good < goods (right) > surely it will escape in eliminations for élite contests of (matches of) leagues of champions from england - mocarzy if (or) spain, but it will be stumbled against advance payment with average european teams. For example, < exemplary > champions five in (to) presently in our ladder classify federation this dynamo of stick (kiev) lasting season cup at most, sparta of prague, BOOK STORE Fenerbahçe, FC Zürich and sofia Lewski, so, other scale of difficulty than e.g. Arsenal FC if (or) sevilla FC. Fact is big positive change for we relatively to present format of contest (match) additional, that but not the same, champion will play in (to) during group cup III eliminatory round so far falling away polish < poland > automatically ( in (to) UEFA and round ). However, in case of (accidentally of) falling away in (to) II eliminatory round, champion will receive chances of games in (to) IV round of eliminatory cup polish < poland > else ( UEFA but it will not complete cup season as e.g. basin in this year ) Lubin. Preliminary round - june /july - 6 team from places in ranking 48-53 - champion country UEFA and eliminatory round - july - 34 team from preliminary round - 3 team from places except liechtenstein 16-47 - champion country, does not have which (who) personal league contests (matches) ( .m in. Champion eliminatory round polish < poland > ) II eliminatory round - july /august - 30 team ladder " masterly " - 20 team - 17 team with (from) and eliminatory rounds from places 13-15 ladder - champion country " unmasterly " - 10 team from places 7-15 - vice-champion country from country with (from) 6 - third team. Places played through proceed in this round for IV round of eliminatory cup UEFA. Eliminatory round III - august - 20 team ladder " masterly " - 10 team eliminatory rounds with (from) II ladder - 10 team " unmasterly " - 10 team eliminatory rounds with (from) II - 5 team from countries from places 4-5 - third team played through proceed from countries from places in this round for group phase of cup 1-3 - fourth team directly UEFA. Group phase - september /december - 32 team - defender trophy from countries from places 1-3 - three team from countries from places 4-6 - two team from places 7-12 - champion country eliminatory rounds with (from) III - 5 team - ladder " masterly " eliminatory rounds with (from) III - 5 team two fairest teams promote for cup games from each group - ladder " unmasterly ", third groups proceed from groups for 1/16 cup UEFA. CUP in format of cup about eight teams 2009/2010 biggest change it increase phase group UEFA UEFA and boost of number of match of each team in group from four for six. Format of contest (match) will be as in league of champion in groups the same - match and revenge. Cup sell off formally UEFA Intertoto, but he (it) has been soaked in practice by cup UEFA. It widen contests of (matches of) cups about next teams UEFA groups will play in the course of whole season in (to) them including 193 158 - ( presently ). Among others, it has gained on it polish < poland >, which (who) could expose (set out) two teams according to present format in season in cup 2009/2010 only ( achiever cup polish < poland > UEFA and vice-champion of country ) third team will play premier league due to voted reform in cup - also UEFA Orange. Stretch of elimination is minus of this solution for group phase of cup UEFA. Third team of polish league will begin game from and eliminatory rounds in half of (hunt of) june ( already ) and that (in order to) promote four rivals be must eliminate for group phase. Vice-champion will begin contests (matches) from II eliminatory round polish < poland >, but achiever of cup from III round polish < poland >. And eliminatory round - june - 50 team from countries from places except liechtenstein 35-51 - second (other) team, does not have which (who) personal league contests (matches) from countries from places except liechtenstein 22-51 - third team, among others, does not have which (who) personal league contests (matches) third team of polish league ( ) - achiever cup andorra and san marino from ranking eliminatory round - 3 team II Fair Play eliminatory round - june /july - 80 team - 25 team with (from) and eliminatory rounds from places 28-51 - achiever cup country among others, from places 19-34 vice-champion - vice-champion country ( polish < poland > ) from countries from places 16-21 - third team from countries from places 10-15 - fourth team from countries from places 7-9 III eliminatory round - fifth team - july - 70 team eliminatory rounds with (from) II - 40 team among others, from places 16-27 achiever of cup - achiever cup country ( polish < poland > ) from places 16-18 - vice-champion country from countries from places 10-15 - third team from countries from places 7-9 - fourth team from countries from places 4-6 - fifth team from countries from places 1-3 IV eliminatory round - sixth team - august - 74 team eliminatory rounds with (from) III - 35 team rounds of leagues of eliminatory champions with (from) II - 15 team from places 1-15 - achiever cup country from countries from places 7-9 - third team from countries from places 4-6 - fourth team from countries from places 1-3 group phase - fifth team - september /december - 48 team eliminatory rounds with (from) IV - 37 team - defender trophy match become (stay) with (from) for 12 III round of league of eliminatory champion 48 teams - 10 team group ( rozlosowanych czterozespołowych and revenge ) from each group for 1/16 end affix to they from third places in groups of leagues of champions 8 teams - two fairest team promote ( ).

maciej188 wrote:

Dwarf wrote:

bluenine wrote: Good changes in the UEFA Cup, and I like the fact that there will now probably be more countries represented in the CL group stages.... however, this could mean (correct me if I am wrong) that some teams from top leagues face each other before the CL group stage. Like a Liverpool vs Fiorentina qualifier. That would input some interest in the qualifiers!!!

Good stuff, well done Platini - he has been talking about this for some time now.

The non Champions from nations ranked 1-15 enter two staged qualifying round.

I'd assume teams from nations ranked 6-15 play off against each other in two legged tie, the winners meeting the nations from 1-5 in a second qualifying stage over two legs. I'd assume it'll be seeded, so the bigger clubs will still avoid each other, but they are more likely to get a tougher tie.

Seeding becomes even more important, can't understand why Italian sides don't take the UEFA Cup seriously when you consider how much harder it can make doing well in the CL be.

Draf- it's not true.... teams from 1-3 place in home league, from the best 3 nacion ranking play in CL with out qualifications

ee.......

4 teams qualify from the top 3 nations, the 4th placed finishing team enters that qualifying draw hence why Liverpool could theoretically face Fiorentina next year.

"""4 teams qualify from the top 3 nations, the 4th placed finishing team enters that qualifying draw hence why Liverpool could theoretically face Fiorentina next year."""

=> of course it's not true:
3 teams qualify from the top 3 nations(all without qualifications), read above that long text

4th team can play without qualification only when one year before win (had won) CL and is a holder

in next year Liverpool could play with fiorentina anly in group stage of the CL