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    Post by mongrel hawk Mon Jun 02, 2008 6:11 am

    well, after being relegated for the first time, Corinthians signed the right manager and now we are playing decent football again.

    Série B is being very easy up to now, and we are in the great final of the Copa do Brasil, our FA Cup, but even more important, cause the winner goes to Libertadores (our CL).

    We will play the first leg at home on Wednesday, against Sport, a medium club (bit like Man City in England or Fiorentina in Italy), a dark horse that has kicked out Brazilian Giants like Internacional and Palmeiras.

    In Brazil, you need to suffer to buy tickets for big games. And that's what I had to do - once again - to get a ticket to the final.

    On Saturday, I went out with some friends and my girlfriend to a party and at 4:30 AM I went off alone to get a place in the queue, and the tickets would only begin to be sold at 10:00am.

    It was cold (10 degrees) and raining and dark. There were already around 1,000 people in the queue when I arrived, wearing Corinthians and Corinthians's firms uniforms, sheltering from the rain under Corinthians flags, playing cards, smoking fags and joints, drinking beer and cheap wine.

    The guy who was just before me in the queue offered to share his large umbrella with me, but later I bought a cheap raincoat (aroun 1 pound) sold by street vendors along the queue.

    a group of five young Corintianos arrived after me in the queue, and then we smoked a couple of joints, drank some wine and talked about football.

    Around 6:30 the sun appeared. The fans began to sing Corinthians chants, and the queue was already a monster. I guess there were 1,000 fans before me and around 5,000 after me.

    This place is near a big park, so there were people jogging by in that Sunday morning. People who went by wearing green (Palmeiras colour) were forced to take off their green sweaters, jackets or baseball caps, but apart from that there were no violent incidents.

    At 9:30 AM they began to sell the tickets, at 1:00PM I bought mine, the cheapest of them (behind the goal, lowest ring of 3), for around 6 pounds (the most expensive was around 40 pounds). And then I got a ride back home offered by one of the blokes I met in the queue.

    At home I was broken, tired and falling to pieces. Hadn't slept yet. But happy to have my precious, gorgeous ticket with me.

    48 thousand tickets were sold in 1 day. There are still 20 thousand to be sold tomorrow, and they will certainly be sold before noon.

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    I guess it's probably the last time I do this. I'm getting too old for these things.

    Football tickets market is still in the middle ages in Brazil, mainly because our football managers don't give a damn about the fans. Brazilian clubs are mostly financed by TV money (here much more than in Europe), and the money earned in the games don't mean much to them.

    Furtunately, this is beginning to change. Corinthains now is trying a new programme (as well as some other clubs): You pay a tax per year and you can buy your tickets through the Internet, and your ticket is granted, that is, you run no risk of not finding a ticket to a game until the day before, cause it will be reserved for you. maybe I'll try this.


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    Post by DS Mon Jun 02, 2008 6:15 am

    You mean season tickets.
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    Post by mongrel hawk Mon Jun 02, 2008 6:20 am

    No, in Brazil people don't buy tickets for the whole season beforehand. Tickets here are usually sold before each game only, with a few exceptions.


    DS wrote:You mean season tickets.
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    Post by DS Mon Jun 02, 2008 6:26 am

    I actually like the season ticket, people get rewarded for loyality though its difficult to afford and all that.

    How much is the tax ?
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    Post by mongrel hawk Mon Jun 02, 2008 6:38 am

    I agree. But I don't know if it would work in Brazil. Not part of our football culture.

    In Corinthians case, they are trying 3 programmes with different prices (varying according to the sector in the stadium). I'm thinking about acquiring the cheapest one, cause I like terracing.

    I'd have to pay around 25 pounds per year, and then I would have tickets reserved for all games until the day before each match to be acquired through the Internet. I'd have to pay for each ticket, but the price would be 20% off.

    I'd receive a magnetic card to pass through the machine when entering the stadium (all tickets here are magnetic cards, but this one wouldn't be disposable like the ordinary ones), and I would be able to buy more than one game in advance, I guess.




    DS wrote:I actually like the season ticket, people get rewarded for loyality though its difficult to afford and all that.

    How much is the tax ?
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    Post by DS Mon Jun 02, 2008 6:41 am

    Sounds interesting ,so what is the avg attendance for Corinthians and is this only for Corinthians or other teams doing it too.
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    Post by mongrel hawk Mon Jun 02, 2008 6:47 am

    our avarage attendance is around 25,000, which is high for Brazilian standards. but that means we have some games with 50,000-68,000 (the most important ones, played in São Paulo stadium), others with 20,000-37,000 (played in the city stadium, which is smaller), and a few with less than 20,000.

    we have by far the best attendance in São Paulo State, better than São Paulo, Palmeiras, and Santos, the other big clubs here.



    DS wrote:Sounds interesting ,so what is the avg attendance for Corinthians and is this only for Corinthians or other teams doing it too.
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    Post by DS Mon Jun 02, 2008 6:51 am

    The match day money doesnt play an important role because the tickets are cheap ?
    How much tv money are we talking about ?
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    Post by mongrel hawk Mon Jun 02, 2008 7:04 am

    yes, because tickets here are cheap and because our attendances are not regular. A big team may have games with attendances of around 10,000 and 70,000 in the SAME season, depending on the moment.

    I don't know about the numbers in millions, but of course our numbers are not even close to the ones you've got in Western Europe. What i was saying is that Brazilian clubs are much more dependent on TV money than Euro clubs, and less dependent on tickets money.



    DS wrote:The match day money doesnt play an important role because the tickets are cheap ?
    How much tv money are we talking about ?
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    Post by L.r.d Mon Jun 02, 2008 9:03 am

    Nice little story there, hope it will be worth it <Ale>
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    Post by Yef Mon Jun 02, 2008 10:12 am

    I know what it is to stay/sleep in a queue..lucky you live in brazil todo..I went to stay in line for a ticket against inter...I wasnt so lucky as you though.
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    Post by Formerly known as sheva7 Mon Jun 02, 2008 9:19 pm

    That really sucks, todo.

    Four years ago I slept in a queue for the first time. I bought the tickets for the Brasil vs Argentina WC Qualifying match. This month I will have to sleep in a queue again because they will play in my hometown. That's an unique chance.

    In 2006 I also had to sleep in a queue to buy the tickets for the last two rounds of the second division. You better be ready, todo. Sad
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    Post by DD Mon Jun 02, 2008 9:50 pm

    great dedication todo! Ale ok
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    Post by mongrel hawk Tue Jun 03, 2008 4:59 pm

    @lrd

    it will, even if we lose. being a Corintiano is a blessing, and it's above winning any title. ok


    @fey

    I guess people who arrived after 8AM couldn't get their tickets. some friends told me I was crazy to go to the queue so early, but they do not support Corinthians and don't know how crazy Corinthians fans are.


    @sheva

    I hope we won't need to worry in the last 2 rounds of série B. Very Happy


    @DD

    yeah, but, to tell the truth, I almost gave up in the first hour, but then I thought "well, I'm already here, so what the hell... I'll stay till I buy it".
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    Post by Puro Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:13 pm

    Greetings Timão! Here's hoping you weren't one of the fans detained by the police in front of the hotel where Sport are staying. Biggrin

    So Timão, how do you rate your chances for a victory tonight? Absolutely sure just like when I told LRD about Cienciano beating Sporting Cristal even though the odds were even at 2.00 it's a 10/10, sure shot!

    Are you really confident of a win tonight? maybe 9/10 confident of a win, but Sport may make you sweat a little or 8/10 you know you should win, but you are cautiously optimistic or 7/10 you should win, but shite happens once in a while?

    Good luck tonight Timão! You need to be in Copa Libertadores again. <Ale>
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    Post by EM Seleção e Selecção Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:16 pm

    How's Lulinha and Dentinho doing?
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    Post by mongrel hawk Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:43 pm

    cheers, puro. Ale

    No, I wasn't one of them, but the hotel isn't far. I hope those fans did a good job to keep Sports players awake.

    I think it's a 50-50 final.

    Sport is a very good team, knocked out favourites Palmeiras (coached by Luxa) and Internacional. As well as Vasco. Won the Pernambuco State League this year.

    Corinthians had an easier path, beating Goiás 4-0 at home after losing 1-3 away, then São Caetano, then favourites Botafogo in a thrilling second leg which ended on penalties. Is doing well in Série B, and is coached by Mano Menezes, the guy who coached that mediocre Grêmio out of Série B and then to Libertadores final against Boca. Mano rebuilt the team in his way, in the Gaúcho way, bringing defender William, who was Grêmio's captain. A new Felipão, some would say. Corinthians now is a team full of grit, as the Brits would say.



    @EMP

    they are doing alright for their age. they can become excelent players in the future. Dentinho is very good, but sometimes he tries some silly step overs, and I hate that. they are both playing as wingers in a 4-2-3-1:

    ---------------------------Felipe------------------------------------

    --Carlos Alberto---William----Chicão---André Santos (our best player)

    --------------Fabinho (best midfielder, a DM)----E Ramos-------------

    ----------------------Rincon(not the Colombian)------------------------

    ---------Lulinha------------------------------------------Dentinho---------

    --------------------------------Herrera---------------------------------

    Herrera is an excelent Argentine striker. Perfect header.


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    Post by EM Seleção e Selecção Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:47 pm

    mongrel hawk wrote:cheers, puro. Ale

    No, I wasn't one of them, but the hotel isn't far. I hope those fans did a good job to keep Sports players awake.

    I think it's a 50-50 final.

    Sport is a very good team, knocked out favourites Palmeiras (coached by Luxa) and Internacional. As well as Vasco. Won the Pernambuco State League this year.

    Corinthians had an easier path, beating Goiás 4-0 at home after losing 1-3 away, then São Caetano, then favourites Botafogo in a thrilling second leg which ended on penalties. Is doing well in Série B, and is coached by Mano Menezes, the guy who coached that mediocre Grêmio out of Série B and then to Libertadores final against Boca. Mano rebuilt the team in his way, in the Gaúcho way, bringing defender William, who was Grêmio's captain. It's a team full of grit, as the Brits would say.



    @EMP

    they are doing alright for their age. they can become excelent players in the future. Dentinho is very good, but sometimes he tries some silly step overs, and I hate that. they are both playing as wingers in a 4-2-3-1:

    ---------------------------Felipe------------------------------------

    --Carlos Alberto---William----Chicão---André Santos (our best player)

    --------------Fabinho (best midfielder, a DM)----E Ramos-------------

    ----------------------Rincon(not the Colombian)------------------------

    ---------Lulinha------------------------------------------Dentinho---------

    --------------------------------Herrera---------------------------------

    Herrera is an excelent Argentine striker. Perfect header.
    -------Lulinha---------------------------------------Dentinho------------
    WOW Dentinho is the type of footballer i like and enjoy watching on the pitch.


    Is Corinthians coming back to Serie A?
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    Post by mongrel hawk Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:00 pm

    EMPortuguese wrote:Dentinho is the type of footballer i like and enjoy watching on the pitch.

    The ones I like the most to watch are André Santos and Herrera.

    Have a look at this André Santos goal (00:54min) against Goiás. That's the kind of goal I like, my favourite up to now.

    http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=CjB56Lwca34


    EMPortuguese wrote:Is Corinthians coming back to Serie A?

    we are leaders of Série B right now, 4 games, 4 wins.
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    Post by mongrel hawk Thu Jun 05, 2008 8:35 pm

    South American Strike:


    Corinthians
    Dentinho - 18' (Brazilian)
    Herrera - 22' (Argentine)
    Acosta - 75' (Uruguayan)

    Sport
    Enílton - 90'


    http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=9q8-luN4NcU

    image from TV, audio from a radio broadcasting.
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    Post by EM Seleção e Selecção Thu Jun 05, 2008 8:44 pm

    mongrel hawk wrote:South American Strike:


    Corinthians
    Dentinho - 18' (Brazilian)
    Herrera - 22' (Argentine)
    Acosta - 75' (Uruguayan)

    Sport
    Enílton - 90'


    http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=9q8-luN4NcU

    image from TV, audio from a radio broadcasting.
    Is there a very good Dentinho Comp anywhere on youtube?

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