Tristelme,"Get through all" Messi, and Co facing t

"Tristelme" won't be the captain for Argentina anymore maybe if we get lucky won't even start...it was just horrible display...the 4-3-1-2 Basile put on the field never worked against the firm at the back and more willing to play counterattack than what we still believe(god! we are so behind!!!) 4-4-2 of Brazil since the only midfielder that actually recovered(or at least tryed) was Mascherano...who was sorrounded by non-able-to-mark midfielders(Bilos was soo poor), and these were covered by the "I'm only here to fill up space in the field" Milito and Cooccini. The two FB's did not perform when attacking(what was Basile expecting...Clemente Rodriguez has been playing in Russia for years!, suddenly he's gonna be MOTM against Brazil???). Bilos and L. Gonzales were beaten both phisically and tactically through the whole game.

I really hope someone puts the young Messi in his place. I'm sure that at Barça if he decides not to pass the ball to Deco, Dinho, Eto¡o, or Xavi, somebody is going to tell him "WHO THE FUCK DO YOU THINK YOU ARE?"...but apparently he is starting to give in against the Maradona syndrome and believes he alone will hand in the victory for Argentina...If I was Basile I'd kick him in the ass until he understanhds that if you get past 9 players but the tenth steals it then it's all worthless.(it will definitely take some time for this brat)

I am so fucking annoyed about Tristelme still playing...the guy has never been the same since he left Boca and probaly never will be. Sure he is class but I can't stand his slowness and his always horizontal game...to win you have to get to shoot to the other teams goal moron!!!...Just wished Bielsa was coaching...

As for Brazil...here goes the myth that brazilian CB's are crap that apprently my man Alfio still believes

Robinho was excellent, and thank god he relaxed for the second half...oh and of course Kaka wasn't going to dissapear for the whole game, he would just wake up on time to make that beatiful goal against Argentina...

So what would your team be?

Think your being a bit harsh on zabelta and Rodriguez they had go good game.

Messi does need to work on his decision making, but he did create 2/3 very good chances but there was no one their to finish.


This would be my team.


--------------------------Pato-------------------------------

Zabelta(SP)-----Samuel/Gonzalo----Ayala/Milito------Henzie-----

---------------Mascherano------Cambiasso/Gago--------

-------Messi---------------Pablo----------------Tevez

----------------------Crespo/Cavanaghi---------------


I think zableta could develop into a very good RB for the argies. he didn't really put a foot wrong yesterday.

Basile should all so have a look at cavanaghi, if he doesn't intent to place crespo much, since he won't we around for the world cup. You never know he might be a gem in the wilderness like Carvalho and the others in Brazil squad. Because he was very very good in Argentina.

Pablo is time for him to get a chance.

maxi must be a starter he was excellent in the WC

The-Frank-Tavern wrote:maxi must be a starter he was excellent in the WC

true where would you put him.

Maybe he should be the one to replace Roman

messiah at the moment tbh tevez, unless messi continues like he did yesterday and continues to aid tweeds in his rooney>messi which i ain´t having but thought he was pretty poor yesterday bad decision making too greedy

Is Tristeleme Riquelme?

Tweedledum wrote:Is Tristeleme Riquelme?

He's class though! why would you want to drop him?!

Messiah wrote:

The-Frank-Tavern wrote:maxi must be a starter he was excellent in the WC

true where would you put him.

The-Frank-Tavern wrote:messiah at the moment tbh tevez, unless messi continues like he did yesterday and continues to aid tweeds in his rooney>messi which i ain´t having but thought he was pretty poor yesterday bad decision making too greedy

Maxi and Crespo were sorely missed yesterday.


@Barrilete

Don't get so down. You're not alone. A lot of us have to take pitiful National side performances as well. And believe me when say that Argentina's wasn't even half as bad as Oranje on saturday.

I know its frustrating when the pieces are all there, but your manager can't put a winning team together. At least Basile can improve. I have no such hopes for my team anymore.

Messiah wrote:

Tweedledum wrote:Is Tristeleme Riquelme?

Tristo (tristesa) + Riquelme = Tristelme

Good name though...

Indeed Tristelme is one of the Villareal's playmaker names he has around here(as DD said..comes from Triste wisch means sad)...also captain freeze, and so on...most of them refer to his lack of emotional display when he wears the national shirt...

@ Tweedle
Why would I want to drop Riquelme? The guy is class and nobody can deny that sure, but I want my team to play and not according to his style. He does not go forward anymore as he once did, and if he has too much pressure on him the rivals will eat him out(bad translation of a local saying in spanish)and the guy dissapears. I'm tired of seeing him abuse with his "pause" and tempo controling. Sure that's a really good feature for a player but as that ball control and pause that allows more players to go forward and to create some plays, fast striking plays are also needed, and this guy won't do it. The game turns to horizontal IMO. Although I believe that that verticalization so characteristic of european sides is bad for our team(one extreme) and that a pause is needed, that horizontal game he loves to display is also bad IMO(the other extreme). Plus who I want as a captain is someone who stirrs up a little bit whenever the team needs to...

@Messiah

I agree Zabaleta and L. Rodriguez did what was expected from them(especially Zabaleta).

Messi, I repeat, has to start playing more with his team, the few times he did this the result was good. As I said, if he had donde that for Barça, Deco would have kicked his ass...Don't get me wrong I still think he's the more talented we have but talent alone won't do it for me. Also I may have a little of resentment towards him for his responsability on Kaka's goal.

About replacing Crespo that's a very very difficult thing to do right now. I mean, there's no clear replacement for him nowadays. We'll just have to wait and see...I have faith in the ones that are coming(not just upfront), but it 'll take time(that fortunately we have)

Interesting view.

Yes, 'eat him out' has very much different conotations in Enlgish which I won't go into

I agree that if Riquelme plays, the whole team has to be built around him, you have to remember though this was just a friendly - you were playing with a weak first XI and IMO Riquelme wasn't so bad - Gonzales, Bilos and a few other I can't remember were horrific! If they had been on their game then Riquelme would have been able to show us more of his attacking play - the reason why he is in the squad

DD thanks mate, I have a lot of respect for the dutch football mainly because despite all it still is IMO a football school opposite to the anti-football era we are in...One of the aspects of Basile also has that I actually like...

how's the dutch prospects by the way?, I actually expect much of them now and in the near future.

i think your too hard on riquelme with no crespo he had too few options ahead of him imho

what do you guys think of HIGUAIN looks promising to me

Messiah wrote:Think your being a bit harsh on zabelta and Rodriguez they had go good game.

Messi does need to work on his decision making, but he did create 2/3 very good chances but there was no one their to finish.


This would be my team.


--------------------------Pato-------------------------------

Zabelta(SP)-----Samuel/Gonzalo----Ayala/Milito------Henzie-----

---------------Mascherano------Cambiasso/Gago--------

-------Messi---------------Pablo----------------Tevez

----------------------Crespo/Cavanaghi---------------


I think zableta could develop into a very good RB for the argies. he didn't really put a foot wrong yesterday.

Basile should all so have a look at cavanaghi, if he doesn't intent to place crespo much, since he won't we around for the world cup. You never know he might be a gem in the wilderness like Carvalho and the others in Brazil squad. Because he was very very good in Argentina.

Pablo is time for him to get a chance.

would u really play pablo aimar inplace of riquelme? or are u talking of another pablo?

Agooner wrote:

Messiah wrote:Think your being a bit harsh on zabelta and Rodriguez they had go good game.

Messi does need to work on his decision making, but he did create 2/3 very good chances but there was no one their to finish.


This would be my team.


--------------------------Pato-------------------------------

Zabelta(SP)-----Samuel/Gonzalo----Ayala/Milito------Henzie-----

---------------Mascherano------Cambiasso/Gago--------

-------Messi---------------Pablo----------------Tevez

----------------------Crespo/Cavanaghi---------------


I think zableta could develop into a very good RB for the argies. he didn't really put a foot wrong yesterday.

Basile should all so have a look at cavanaghi, if he doesn't intent to place crespo much, since he won't we around for the world cup. You never know he might be a gem in the wilderness like Carvalho and the others in Brazil squad. Because he was very very good in Argentina.

Pablo is time for him to get a chance.

would u really play pablo aimar inplace of riquelme? or are u talking of another pablo?

No put i just don't like the fact that the tem has to be built around Roman for him to play well. Aimar will give them something different a bit more direct

...........................Leo Franco

Coloccini.........Ayala........Milito............Heinze

...............Mascherano......Cambiasso

Maxi....................Riquelme................Tevez/Aguero

.........................Crespo/Milito

Riquelme was brilliant in the world cup, you cant drop him for one bad game.

inded aimar has never gotten the chance that his talent deserves. he could do the job for argentina too.but i kind of hope riquelme does do it for them as he is soo different from others.he is a oldschool player.
but this team needs to be built so there is people that run for him. and right now messi-tevez and the fullbacks have to run for him.

and maybe messi isnt ready for a starter.saviola is better at runing in the hole.

La Saeta Rubia wrote:...........................Leo Franco

Coloccini.........Ayala........Milito............Heinze

...............Mascherano......Cambiasso

Maxi....................Riquelme................Tevez/Aguero

.........................Crespo/Milito

but who we replace ayala after the copa

Messiah wrote:

La Saeta Rubia wrote:...........................Leo Franco

Coloccini.........Ayala........Milito............Heinze

...............Mascherano......Cambiasso

Maxi....................Riquelme................Tevez/Aguero

.........................Crespo/Milito

but who we replace ayala after the copa

Milito & Coloccini center backs and play Zabaleta as the right back.

SteveOoO wrote:Riquelme was brilliant in the world cup, you cant drop him for one bad game.

Was he?

Barrilete_Cosmico wrote:DD thanks mate, I have a lot of respect for the dutch football mainly because despite all it still is IMO a football school opposite to the anti-football era we are in...One of the aspects of Basile also has that I actually like...

how's the dutch prospects by the way?, I actually expect much of them now and in the near future.

Sorry I didn't answer earlier. I seem to have forgotten this thread...

As for Dutch prospects, there are a couple coming through. We won the U-21 EC days before the WC too, if that is an indication. The talent is there, but there are only a handful of great gems coming through and plenty of amply-talented youngsters - they just need time to develop now.

Right now IMHO the most talented pair are Robin van Persie (Arsenal) and Rafa Van Der Vaart (HSV) both are about 23 and both could become WPOY if everything goes right. They have it in them. They are some of the most talented I've ever seen. However, one is injured a third of the time (VDV) the other isn't apreciated by his manager (RVP).
Then the biggets talent after that is Huntelaar - this kid's 22 but he's already as sharp as a lot of very best strikers. He's a classic striker in the mold an attacking striker who can poach. Absolutely fantastic finishing too.
We have a factory making class players of all ages. I never knew we had it that good TBH. In Affalay and Aissati we have two creative midfielders who are both under 19, but already playing in CL for PSV. Aissati at 16 ran rings around the Ac Milan midfield and defense! Then you have Schaars (21), a good holding midfielder, a bit short by Dutch standards, but that is his only drawback really. There are tons of good talent ranging from varying ages and quality too. There are also good young players playing abroad like Collins John (Fulham) and others as far-away as Russia.

Thankfully most if not all have grow up playing either street football and/or go into good footballing academies where they learn to play in all positions, and develop brain and vision. They're cultured very well. It doesn't look bad from that aspect I have to admit.

How about Argentinian prospects?

i heard somebody called vitti somthing was good

Sorry to bump this again, but they showed the Boca-Estudiantes game this morning, which I taped. Gago played fantastic again, and I'm not sure why he isn't in the sqaud. The commentator believes him to be the best player in the league now that Aguero has gone, and said he should have even been in the sqaud for the WC. It presents more selection problems though. I also thought Calvo, Rodriguez were impressive for Boca, and Soza for Estudiantes. I think Rodriguez is Chiliean though...

That's 3 top quality CM/DM's though in Mascherano, Cambiasso and now Gago. Then of course there is Demichelis.

Owen Thomas wrote:

SteveOoO wrote:Riquelme was brilliant in the world cup, you cant drop him for one bad game.

Was he?

Yes, other teams were having to put 2 players on him to cancel him out of the game, as soon as he came off Argentina were on the defensive. Argentina should have won the world cup and removing Requelme was arguably the turning point of the tournament.

I'm inclined to link the reduced effectiveness of Riquelme against Germany in the WC and later against Brazil with the removal of Saviola. He didn't pose the direct goal threat of Tevez but he linked play superbly and showed more discipline than Messi currently brings to that position. Riquelme is definitely worth building a team around, he is devasating when deployed correctly. But to give him space they need dedicated wide men to open up the midfield. That would mean dropping either Tevez or Messi, as well as teaching them to play as supporting forwards rather than Marradonna impersonators.

Indeed Calidad, Gago is a great player and against Estudiantes he was specially good when the team turned the engine on.

About Freezelme I think he could work pretty well with Gago working behind in midfield....Anyway if that ever happens(I'm inclines to say that it will according to Basile's taste)we won'0t see it for a year at least(Basile said that until a year from now he won'0t call players from the argentine league since he does not want to take their players away, so he'll call the euro based national team.