Sheva at Chelsea

why did it not work out

England is rubbish.

Is the answer I imagine this is leading up to..

Because he's not German?

Because Chelsea aren't German?

Because Mourinho isn't German?

Because his wife isn't German?

His boots werent German?

Two major factors IMO...one, the system was never quite right. When you think about it, no striker has managed to settle at Chelsea along with Drogba. He plays brilliantly as a lone striker, so whenever he's fit, he starts, and the manager inevitably has had to play the system that suits him best. Neither Mourinho nor Grant have properly figured out, whether deliberately or not, a 2-striker formation.

Second, Shevchenko was under too much pressure and not given enough time to adapt. In hindsight we realise that he's not a fast pacey kind of striker who can settle instantly in the Premiership, and is a lone striker who drops deep, but crucially, without the physical attributes of a traditional target man.

Also some bizarre man-management by Mourinho...I remember one particular spell where Mourinho said "I'll keep playing Shevchenko till he scores a goal, then I'll give him a rest". Shevchenko had not scored for many games, then finally got one in the Carling Cup against some small team, and indeed, Mourinho dropped him in the next match

debaser wrote:England is rubbish.

Is the answer I imagine this is leading up to..

debaser

I expected a lot better from YOU

Because he was managed by a mediterranean mummy's boy doing the poorest impression of an alpha male you're ever likely to see.

Mourinho can't handle anyone more famous than him - hence The One only flourished under Grant.

Shevchenko was as good as any player in football until he played under Mourinho.

Eurottomeister wrote:

debaser wrote:England is rubbish.

Is the answer I imagine this is leading up to..

debaser

I expected a lot better from YOU

I expected more from Shevchenko too.

But England is rubbish.

Pierre Littbarski wrote:Because he was managed by a mediterranean mummy's boy doing the poorest impression of an alpha male you're ever likely to see.

Mourinho can't handle anyone more famous than him - hence The One only flourished under Grant.

Shevchenko was as good as any player in football until he played under Mourinho.

True it was all jose's fault sheva

- Cannot run at more than 0.5 mph

- Can barely finish even the most simple of chances

- Cannot control even the most simple ball

- Cannot run with the ball without looking like a clumsy fool


Jose is quite a manager to be capable of this

COTR wrote:

Pierre Littbarski wrote:Because he was managed by a mediterranean mummy's boy doing the poorest impression of an alpha male you're ever likely to see.

Mourinho can't handle anyone more famous than him - hence The One only flourished under Grant.

Shevchenko was as good as any player in football until he played under Mourinho.

True it was all jose's fault sheva

- Cannot run at more than 0.5 mph

- Can barely finish even the most simple of chances

- Cannot control even the most simple ball

- Cannot run with the ball without looking like a clumsy fool


Jose is quite a manager to be capable of this

Strange isn't it - he was fine at all those things before

Especially in the KO phases of the CL - ie the hardest stage of the hardest competition.

Pierre Littbarski wrote:

Strange isn't it - he was fine at all those things before

Especially in the KO phases of the CL - ie the hardest stage of the hardest competition.

Yeah but even a pace merchant like torres can prosper in those so that doesn't really say much

Sheva is just one of these strikers who is not talented enough / intelligent enough to age well as a footballer. It is very common

COTR wrote:

Pierre Littbarski wrote:

Strange isn't it - he was fine at all those things before

Especially in the KO phases of the CL - ie the hardest stage of the hardest competition.

Yeah but even a pace merchant like torres can prosper in those so that doesn't really say much

Sheva is just one of these strikers who is not talented enough / intelligent enough to age well as a footballer. It is very common

If the ref gives his team a one man advantage or a CB drops a rick to leave him an unmissable chance then sure, yeah.

Pierre Littbarski wrote:

COTR wrote:

Pierre Littbarski wrote:

Strange isn't it - he was fine at all those things before

Especially in the KO phases of the CL - ie the hardest stage of the hardest competition.

Yeah but even a pace merchant like torres can prosper in those so that doesn't really say much

Sheva is just one of these strikers who is not talented enough / intelligent enough to age well as a footballer. It is very common

If the ref gives his team a one man advantage or a CB drops a rick to leave him an unmissable chance then sure, yeah.

I always love reading your excuses. They never grow old

From what i saw of Shevchenko when he was on top form Milan, he often played on the strikers shoulder, because of his height strength and then relative pace, i.e burst of pace into good space, he was a lethal striker, much like probably not the best example but never the less - Fowler, as they aged the pace of the premiership just was not for them.

Sheva probably would have prolonged his footballing career by at least 2 years had he of stayed with Milan, the slower Serie A, team build to accomodate him and his confidence and comfort at Milan gives me this impression.

Well Sheva picked up an injury just before he joined us. Then he looked disappointing at the World Cup. Doesn't matter how good your finishing is - if you can get outrun by Senderos, you're not gonna make it in this league (especially when you're so dependant on making great runs like Sheva was).

S4P wrote:Well Sheva picked up an injury just before he joined us. Then he looked disappointing at the World Cup. Doesn't matter how good your finishing is - if you can get outrun by Senderos, you're not gonna make it in this league (especially when you're so dependant on making great runs like Sheva was).

Its a shame, because like Veron, a talented player all be it came a latter stage in his career, and failed. If i can be objective, i love the excitement when a top quality recognised player arrives in the EPL, and you want to see them do well.

I hope Sheva goes somewhere where he can play regulary and prove he still has something, unfortunately i don't believe that can be in the premiership.

Football Genius wrote:

S4P wrote:Well Sheva picked up an injury just before he joined us. Then he looked disappointing at the World Cup. Doesn't matter how good your finishing is - if you can get outrun by Senderos, you're not gonna make it in this league (especially when you're so dependant on making great runs like Sheva was).

Its a shame, because like Veron, a talented player all be it came a latter stage in his career, and failed. If i can be objective, i love the excitement when a top quality recognised player arrives in the EPL, and you want to see them do well.

I hope Sheva goes somewhere where he can play regulary and prove he still has something, unfortunately i don't believe that can be in the premiership.

If he was to make a move, it needed to be when we were first interested in him (around 2004), preferably at Torres' age.

I think he'll do best to go back to the Ukraine (or another 'weaker' league).

If you ask me, these top players should never move unless forced too, if they fail at another club their reputation is ruined.

For me no different from morientes. Several years playing the same style of football while getting older and slower but improving your understanding of the game in that league. Move to a new league which is more physical, and played a completely different way and you end up with 2 disadvantages.

If sheva goes back to Italy, like morientes did with spain, then I am sure he will score loads of goals again.

Anyway having seen sheva live many times, he was the standout player of Milan for years, and often singlehandedly won them matches.