The most impressive goalkeeper of EURO 2008

Giovani Dos Spurs™ wrote:I think the standard of Goalkeeping has been very High, I can only remember a few real dodgy moments, Cech vs. The Turks, Nikopolidis vs. Russia... not much else.

Ricardo is so obsessed with Van Der Saar, but on 2 of the 3 Russian goals, not saying they were howlers, but let's just say that he hardly covered himself in glory.

Lehmann vs Croatia was a bad one.

Antarion wrote:

San Jol wrote:

Calidad wrote:Akinfeev has got me two FF clean sheets, so he's done a good job. Though, I can't remember him making any outstanding saves, and he does flap a bit. I'd say he's been solid, rather than spectacular.

I'd say

1)Buffon/VDV
3)Casillas
4)Akinfeev

Volkan has been great too

Why Buffon? He is a loser if it comes to penalties. I believe Guiza was his first penalty he ever stopped in a shoot out...

Why do people always rate goalkeepers about their shootout skill is beyond me. Its probably the least thing you have to be good at as a GK. Its more about luck and opponents than "skill"

Anticipation, reading of the player' body language, effectiveness of how you put off the player. There's more to taking a penalty than just luck.

Claudio Tafferrell saved about 50% of the penalties he faced. f@ck me, if he was that lucky why didn't he just play the lottery.

robert wrote:

Antarion wrote:

San Jol wrote:

Calidad wrote:Akinfeev has got me two FF clean sheets, so he's done a good job. Though, I can't remember him making any outstanding saves, and he does flap a bit. I'd say he's been solid, rather than spectacular.

I'd say

1)Buffon/VDV
3)Casillas
4)Akinfeev

Volkan has been great too

Why Buffon? He is a loser if it comes to penalties. I believe Guiza was his first penalty he ever stopped in a shoot out...

Why do people always rate goalkeepers about their shootout skill is beyond me. Its probably the least thing you have to be good at as a GK. Its more about luck and opponents than "skill"

Anticipation, reading of the player' body language, effectiveness of how you put off the player. There's more to taking a penalty than just luck.

Claudio Tafferrell saved about 50% of the penalties he faced. f@ck me, if he was that lucky why didn't he just play the lottery.

Reina's brilliant as well, and then there's Mark Crossley, who had an outstanding record at Notts Forest.

Kimbo wrote:

Giovani Dos Spurs™ wrote:I think the standard of Goalkeeping has been very High, I can only remember a few real dodgy moments, Cech vs. The Turks, Nikopolidis vs. Russia... not much else.

Ricardo is so obsessed with Van Der Saar, but on 2 of the 3 Russian goals, not saying they were howlers, but let's just say that he hardly covered himself in glory.

Lehmann vs Croatia was a bad one.

I think that was like Robinson's against Croatia, yeah it looked bad and Comical, but it wasn't really his fault IMO.

Giovani Dos Spurs™ wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

Giovani Dos Spurs™ wrote:I think the standard of Goalkeeping has been very High, I can only remember a few real dodgy moments, Cech vs. The Turks, Nikopolidis vs. Russia... not much else.

Ricardo is so obsessed with Van Der Saar, but on 2 of the 3 Russian goals, not saying they were howlers, but let's just say that he hardly covered himself in glory.

Lehmann vs Croatia was a bad one.

I think that was like Robinson's against Croatia, yeah it looked bad and Comical, but it wasn't really his fault IMO.

I think Rustu made a similar howler as Nikopolidis. Can't remember if it went in though.

Giovani Dos Spurs™ wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

Giovani Dos Spurs™ wrote:I think the standard of Goalkeeping has been very High, I can only remember a few real dodgy moments, Cech vs. The Turks, Nikopolidis vs. Russia... not much else.

Ricardo is so obsessed with Van Der Saar, but on 2 of the 3 Russian goals, not saying they were howlers, but let's just say that he hardly covered himself in glory.

Lehmann vs Croatia was a bad one.

I think that was like Robinson's against Croatia, yeah it looked bad and Comical, but it wasn't really his fault IMO.

How can it not be his fault? He totally misread it and left Olic with an open goal.

Kimbo wrote:

Giovani Dos Spurs™ wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

Giovani Dos Spurs™ wrote:I think the standard of Goalkeeping has been very High, I can only remember a few real dodgy moments, Cech vs. The Turks, Nikopolidis vs. Russia... not much else.

Ricardo is so obsessed with Van Der Saar, but on 2 of the 3 Russian goals, not saying they were howlers, but let's just say that he hardly covered himself in glory.

Lehmann vs Croatia was a bad one.

I think that was like Robinson's against Croatia, yeah it looked bad and Comical, but it wasn't really his fault IMO.

How can it not be his fault? He totally misread it and left Olic with an open goal.

I am not a fan of Lehmann, but the shot got deflected by Podolski and would have went in, if Lehmann wouldn't deflect it again. It wasn't his fault this time i think.

Olé wrote:

Giovani Dos Spurs™ wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

Giovani Dos Spurs™ wrote:I think the standard of Goalkeeping has been very High, I can only remember a few real dodgy moments, Cech vs. The Turks, Nikopolidis vs. Russia... not much else.

Ricardo is so obsessed with Van Der Saar, but on 2 of the 3 Russian goals, not saying they were howlers, but let's just say that he hardly covered himself in glory.

Lehmann vs Croatia was a bad one.

I think that was like Robinson's against Croatia, yeah it looked bad and Comical, but it wasn't really his fault IMO.

I think Rustu made a similar howler as Nikopolidis. Can't remember if it went in though.

Yes, it was for Klasnic's goal. Though I think it wasn't as bd because Modric came out of nowhere to cut Rustu off, whilst Nikopolidis went walkabout event though the Russians still had control of the ball.

I thought Romania's Lobont was impressive. Some made some very good saves.

Antarion wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

Giovani Dos Spurs™ wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

Giovani Dos Spurs™ wrote:I think the standard of Goalkeeping has been very High, I can only remember a few real dodgy moments, Cech vs. The Turks, Nikopolidis vs. Russia... not much else.

Ricardo is so obsessed with Van Der Saar, but on 2 of the 3 Russian goals, not saying they were howlers, but let's just say that he hardly covered himself in glory.

Lehmann vs Croatia was a bad one.

I think that was like Robinson's against Croatia, yeah it looked bad and Comical, but it wasn't really his fault IMO.

How can it not be his fault? He totally misread it and left Olic with an open goal.

I am not a fan of Lehmann, but the shot got deflected by Podolski and would have went in, if Lehmann wouldn't deflect it again. It wasn't his fault this time i think.

You're being very generous towards him. If that was my keeper i would be furious.

robert wrote:

Antarion wrote:

San Jol wrote:

Calidad wrote:Akinfeev has got me two FF clean sheets, so he's done a good job. Though, I can't remember him making any outstanding saves, and he does flap a bit. I'd say he's been solid, rather than spectacular.

I'd say

1)Buffon/VDV
3)Casillas
4)Akinfeev

Volkan has been great too

Why Buffon? He is a loser if it comes to penalties. I believe Guiza was his first penalty he ever stopped in a shoot out...

Why do people always rate goalkeepers about their shootout skill is beyond me. Its probably the least thing you have to be good at as a GK. Its more about luck and opponents than "skill"

Anticipation, reading of the player' body language, effectiveness of how you put off the player. There's more to taking a penalty than just luck.

Claudio Tafferrell saved about 50% of the penalties he faced. f@ck me, if he was that lucky why didn't he just play the lottery.

That's an incredible statistic.

Calidad wrote:

robert wrote:

Antarion wrote:

San Jol wrote:

Calidad wrote:Akinfeev has got me two FF clean sheets, so he's done a good job. Though, I can't remember him making any outstanding saves, and he does flap a bit. I'd say he's been solid, rather than spectacular.

I'd say

1)Buffon/VDV
3)Casillas
4)Akinfeev

Volkan has been great too

Why Buffon? He is a loser if it comes to penalties. I believe Guiza was his first penalty he ever stopped in a shoot out...

Why do people always rate goalkeepers about their shootout skill is beyond me. Its probably the least thing you have to be good at as a GK. Its more about luck and opponents than "skill"

Anticipation, reading of the player' body language, effectiveness of how you put off the player. There's more to taking a penalty than just luck.

Claudio Tafferrell saved about 50% of the penalties he faced. f@ck me, if he was that lucky why didn't he just play the lottery.

That's an incredible statistic.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/osm/story/0,,626782,00.html

In his career so far, Mark Crossley has faced 14 penalties in the top flight and saved eight; a save percentage of 57%.

Gigi Buffon #1 wrote:

San Jol wrote:

Calidad wrote:Akinfeev has got me two FF clean sheets, so he's done a good job. Though, I can't remember him making any outstanding saves, and he does flap a bit. I'd say he's been solid, rather than spectacular.

I'd say

1)Buffon/VDV
3)Casillas
4)Akinfeev

Volkan has been great too

Why Buffon? He is a loser if it comes to penalties. I believe Guiza was his first penalty he ever stopped in a shoot out...

you believe wrong

He's certainly not hopeless on penalties like Cech but I think the Spanish were smart to study which way the Italian players take their penalties. Casillas guessed the right way on all 4.

In their last 2 penalty shoot-outs, Buffon and Cech have saved exactly the same number of pens.

Anyway, he shouldn't be criticised on the penalty shoot-out in that match, but rather the fumble against Spain which he was incredibly fortunate to get away with.

S4P wrote:

Gigi Buffon #1 wrote:

San Jol wrote:

Calidad wrote:Akinfeev has got me two FF clean sheets, so he's done a good job. Though, I can't remember him making any outstanding saves, and he does flap a bit. I'd say he's been solid, rather than spectacular.

I'd say

1)Buffon/VDV
3)Casillas
4)Akinfeev

Volkan has been great too

Why Buffon? He is a loser if it comes to penalties. I believe Guiza was his first penalty he ever stopped in a shoot out...

you believe wrong

He's certainly not hopeless on penalties like Cech but I think the Spanish were smart to study which way the Italian players take their penalties. Casillas guessed the right way on all 4.

In their last 2 penalty shoot-outs, Buffon and Cech have saved exactly the same number of pens.

Anyway, he shouldn't be criticised on the penalty shoot-out in that match, but rather the fumble against Spain which he was incredibly fortunate to get away with.

You're forgetting that Buffon has made 2 key penalty saves during tournaments.

And Buffon knew what he was doing... unlike Cech.

which two KEY saves? Mutu and ....?

San Jol wrote:which two KEY saves? Mutu and ....?

Ahn

Didn't Korea knocked Italy out...? Did I forget something...?

San Jol wrote:Didn't Korea knocked Italy out...? Did I forget something...?

Yes, it's still an important save early in the match though, and it's more than Casillas managed against the Koreans.

I forgot that!! Hiddink also knocked Spain out!!

Gigi Buffon #1 wrote:

San Jol wrote:Didn't Korea knocked Italy out...? Did I forget something...?

Yes, it's still an important save early in the match though, and it's more than Casillas managed against the Koreans.

Spain aren't also exactly what you can call "penalty killers..."

Fey wrote:I forgot that!! The ref also knocked Spain out!!

S4P is right if it had been Cech that made the same mistake as Buffon he would have been vilified for it. Buffon was very lucky about that one. he was quite lucky it didnt go in. with that said Buffon is still nr.1 for me and no matter how many times Casillas makes incredible saves it wont stop that Buffon has a better all round game. regarding this cup i would have said VDS untill the game against Russia. those two goals were not good enough for goalkeeper for the tournament.
after that i cant see one shining over the others allthough Casillas and Akinfeev still has a chance to do somethign special in the semis and the final so i think it will be one of them.

Galli Blames Buffon For Penalty Defeat

Former Milan and Italy goalkeeper Giovanni Galli has criticised Gianluigi Buffon for not heeding his advice on how to save penalties following Italy’s shootout defeat to Spain at Euro 2008.

The Azzurri crashed out of the Euros on Sunday night following a 4-2 quarter final penalty shootout loss in Vienna.

Buffon saved one of Spain’s spot-kicks, while he also made a brilliant stop from Romania’s Adrian Mutu to keep Italy in the tournament during the 1-1 second group game draw.

Despite these saves, penalties are widely considered to be the only weakness in Buffon’s game, with many saying that he is unable to read spot-kicks.

"I am a friend of Gigi,” Galli told Sat2000.

“Last summer when we were together on holiday I gave him some penalty advice that he did not take.

"All penalty takers have a slight superstition, perhaps an involuntary movement of the head, dictated by instinct.

“At a time when they put the ball on the spot they raise their head to look where they will put the ball. I discussed these things with Gigi last year.

”However for the first penalty kick of Villa, when he was putting the ball on the spot, Buffon was still going towards the goal and was unable to notice such details.”

Galli won 19 caps for Italy, winning a World Cup winners medal in 1982, and playing at the 1986 World Cup in Mexico. He was also part of the all-conquering Milan team of the late 1980s.

http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=749826

Super Madrid wrote:Galli Blames Buffon For Penalty Defeat


“At a time when they put the ball on the spot they raise their head to look where they will put the ball. I discussed these things with Gigi last year.

Er, whenever I take a penalty I always put the ball down and look at the bottom corner opposite to where I am going to kick it. The keeper then has to decide whether it is really where I am going to kick it, whether I am bluffing, or whether I am double-bluffing.

Alternatively he could study videos of me taking penalties, but say he finds 10, and I put 7 to the bottom right and 3 to the bottom left, it shows I may have a prefer for bottom right. So he could go that way but he has maybe 20% chance to get it right, as I could hit it top right, bottom or top left or straight down the middle.

Alternative he could also watch my body because I wouldn't try to make him think I was going to go one way and then kick it the other, or would I.

The players can of course make it harder for the keepers with feigning one way, stuttering their run up etc but it more or less comes to diving the right way to have a chance.