La Liga Jornada 5

stinger wrote:Sevilla was very well organized, Atletico didn't really know how to attack them.

Maresca used the ball very well but it wasn't spectacular.

Great result.

Pierre Littbarski wrote:Henry needed 84 mins to do what Chevanton did in 4.

Henry 2008/09 = a goal every 152 mins

Chevanton 2008/09 = a goal every 33 mins


What do you make of that Professor ?

That both have sucked in Spain so far

But lets be honest here, a $h!t Henry is at least 2 levels above Chevanton and the likes.

A crocked/past it/shit Henry playing for a team that negates his best qualities and in which hardly has anyone looked good in for the past 2 years scored 19 goals and had 10+ assists from mostly a wide position.

Has a healthy and on form "Cheva" ever produced anything as good as the above in a season in his life?

I tried looking up his stats and all I could find was something like 5 goals in 2 seasons Unbelievable, Is he really that bad?

The Professor wrote:

Pierre Littbarski wrote:Henry needed 84 mins to do what Chevanton did in 4.

Henry 2008/09 = a goal every 152 mins

Chevanton 2008/09 = a goal every 33 mins


What do you make of that Professor ?

That both have sucked in Spain so far

But lets be honest here, a $h!t Henry is at least 2 levels above Chevanton and the likes.

A crocked/past it/shit Henry playing for a team that negates his best qualities and in which hardly has anyone looked good in for the past 2 years scored 19 goals and had 10+ assists from mostly a wide position.

Has a healthy and on form "Cheva" ever produced anything as good as the above in a season in his life?

I tried looking for his stats and all I could find was something like 5 goals in 2 seasons Unbelievable, Is he really that bad?

Wikipedia

All Henry's goals and assists last year were against relegation fodder

Chevanton is a goal every 2 starts in Serie A, Ligue 1, UEFA Cup, Champions league and not far off in La Liga despite stop start appearances and regularly being subbed by Juande after 60 mins.

His last 4 La Liga apps:

1-0 down to Racing comes on scores and they win 2-1

1-0 to Osasuna - comes on at half time gets an assist and wins a pen to seal the game but badly injured in stoppage time so missed rest of the season.

Scored v Sporting Gijon to get them nback in teh game.

Sealed teh game v Espanyol

How can you use the excuse that Barca don't use Henry properly when any such suggestions for Sheva were met with derision.

Even those on here that do rate him must surely acknowledge now that if he ever did have the ability he has the mentality of a natural born loser.

He is ok in the Prem and CL groups but he moves out of his safety zone and he's fucked.

Christ knows how bad he'll be when the pace goes - he has nothing else to offer.


Henry 2008/09 = a goal every 152 mins

Chevanton 2008/09 = a goal every 33 mins

Chevanton > Henry

Henry just isn't very good in tight spaces, which is what we face most of the team. He still owes big time and I can only second Pierre's criticism. Henry was almost never a decisive influence in a game.

Should give him a new deal, that'll do it

Pierre Littbarski wrote:
Wikipedia

All Henry's goals and assists last year were against relegation fodder

If Sevilla, madrid, valencia, villareal(Spain top teams), racing Santander(had the 3rd best defence in la liga at the time) etc are relegation fodders then yes u are right.

As for his assists, check this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWDMZGarOoM - Cheva can't see that pass let alone play it.

See his assist to Bojan in the CL ko stages also.

to mention but 2

Pierre Littbarski wrote:
His last 4 La Liga apps:

1-0 down to Racing comes on scores and they win 2-1

1-0 to Osasuna - comes on at half time gets an assist and wins a pen to seal the game but badly injured in stoppage time so missed rest of the season.

Scored v Sporting Gijon to get them nback in teh game.

Sealed teh game v Espanyol

Yeah, all great teams . He's mostly on the bench for a reason, trying figuring it out why Pierre... I'll help u out If u can't, just let me know.

Pierre Littbarski wrote:How can you use the excuse that Barca don't use Henry properly when any such suggestions for Sheva were met with derision.

Coz sheva couldn't run, control a ball, not to talk of his inability to make simple 5 yards passes. And Chelsea actually changed formation to accomodate him: a 4-4-2 diamond formation - similar to the one he was used to in Milan. Henry is not only playing out of position but is also playing in a completely different system he's used to. See the difference?

Pierre Littbarski wrote:Christ knows how bad he'll be when the pace goes - he has nothing else to offer.

Maybe do more of the following?:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpTXEJloLHM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SXeZcxEYYk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjfXYz_1REI

Think about it.

Are you convinced that pass was for Messi not Dos Santos ?

Messi had no intention of going to "the assister" - mind you Henry never does when he scores.

Sheva played in front of Kaka, Pirlo and Seedorf at Milan - at Chelsea he played in front of Lampard, Makelele, Essien, Ballack.

You see the difference ?

Think about it.

* Those 3 clips - 1 is 7 years ago and the other 2 are pre-season friendlies

Pierre Littbarski wrote:Are you convinced that pass was for Messi not Dos Santos ?

Is this the best u could come up with

Of course he meant the pass. As I have told u before, he's got a very good footballing brain. He's also got the ability to play inch perfect passes.

Pierre Littbarski wrote:Sheva played in front of Kaka, Pirlo and Seedorf at Milan - at Chelsea he played in front of Lampard, Makelele, Essien, Ballack.

You see the difference ?

Er..I can't see how any of those players could prevent him from being able to control a simple pass, run, pass the ball in the back of the net from 1 yard, can u?

Pierre Littbarski wrote:* Those 3 clips - 1 is 7 years ago and the other 2 are pre-season friendlies

There are tons of videos of him I can't find, otherwise I'd post:

- his fantastics assists to Sylvinho
- that goal against prague with the outside of his boot
- the goal against city - u know it

and many more.

Sheva at Chelsea in CL ko stages:

5 Starts (0 subs)

2 goals

2 assists


The hardest games to score in are CL KO phases - goals per game are incredibly low compared with domestic leagues and group phases (where Henry scores fine )

So to put it simply:

The best striker at scoring when it is hardest to score is Shevchenko.

* all those goal you mention are nothing compared with these from Cheva:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECWBz51cmf8

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=GPIuWC-5qsU

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=QUc1bEfGE-w

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=tNnxeLtdmK8

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1y37m_20-chevanton_sport

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2vdyc_slb30082007chevanton_sport

How's this for technique:

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xeelh_asmtvchevanton_sport

You're lucky I can't find the goals v Salernitana and Paraguay.

Pierre Littbarski wrote:Sheva at Chelsea in CL ko stages:

5 Starts (0 subs)

2 goals

2 assists


The hardest games to score in are CL KO phases - goals per game are incredibly low compared with domestic leagues and group phases (where Henry scores fine )

So to put it simply:

The best striker at scoring when it is hardest to score is Shevchenko.

Ok lets assume(U know I don't agree with it) it's indeed hardest to score in CL KO plahses, does having a better record at this stage equates to overall being better player than someone with an inferior record?

If so, I'd like to know whether u think Inzaghi is better than Ronado(Brazil).

I am not aware of Ronaldo and Inzaghi's record.

Ronaldo's will be heavily blighted by injury and he is on a different level to Sheva and henry anyway - a phenomenon.

Pierre Littbarski wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECWBz51cmf8

this one is better

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=JMHyIsAAT6k

Pierre Littbarski wrote: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=GPIuWC-5qsU

this one too

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=t8oVW_MzA4o&feature=related

Pierre Littbarski wrote: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=QUc1bEfGE-w

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=RTgUNZ89qs4

I could go through all the goals like that

Pierre Littbarski wrote:I am not aware of Ronaldo and Inzaghi's record.

Ronaldo's will be heavily blighted by injury and he is on a different level to Sheva and henry anyway - a phenomenon.

Inzaghi's got a better record.

You do know Ruud Van Nistelrooij's record though, would u say Inzaghi is the better striker?

Buffon was left rooted to the spot by this fabulous King Henry free kick(are there many players who have scored more free kick goals than him in their career?)

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=5T-LLFFqccY&NR=1

Amazing how he curls them over the wall.

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=cK-l3akQcdo&feature=related

Enjoy!

Gianfranco Zola (for freekicks that is)

Gossip from Revista La Liga - not a lot this week.

Barcelona derbi - Hunter and Balague (who was at Montjuic) critical of stadium security and the police respectively. Balague said flares were being thrown before the match outside the stadium by Boixos Nois and though the police escorted them to the stadium, they did nothing to get the remaining flares off them.

Sergio Ramos=ManU story around again.

British interest behind Soriano's 35% holding in Valencia?

Re. the crowd violence, just wanted to mention that it's pathetic that Laporta is getting blame from some people...he has done the most to get rid of the Boixos Nois' influence at Barça, and yet some people are attacking him for no reason at all.

Who is attacking him and what is being said about other clubs?

TheCrazy58 wrote:Gossip from Revista La Liga - not a lot this week.

Barcelona derbi - Hunter and Balague (who was at Montjuic) critical of stadium security and the police respectively. Balague said flares were being thrown before the match outside the stadium by Boixos Nois and though the police escorted them to the stadium, they did nothing to get the remaining flares off them.

Sergio Ramos=ManU story around again.

British interest behind Soriano's 35% holding in Valencia?

Flares weren't thrown before the match. They were carried.. This is just Balague's agenda playing up again (not excusing the Boixos Nois though)

Don't know where to put this, but in today's Marca there's a sub-headline on the front page, telling Del Bosque to be alert - apparently Aguero's kid with Maradona's daughter is going to be a boy, and born in Spain with dual Spanish/Argentinian nationality!

Imagine the genes in him

I predict wpoty 2034

Hopefully he doesn't choose a career in handball

kas wrote:Don't know where to put this, but in today's Marca there's a sub-headline on the front page, telling Del Bosque to be alert - apparently Aguero's kid with Maradona's daughter is going to be a boy, and born in Spain with dual Spanish/Argentinian nationality!

Imagine the genes in him

Aguero wants him to be born in Madrid and Diego isn't too happy about that.

Olé wrote:

kas wrote:Don't know where to put this, but in today's Marca there's a sub-headline on the front page, telling Del Bosque to be alert - apparently Aguero's kid with Maradona's daughter is going to be a boy, and born in Spain with dual Spanish/Argentinian nationality!

Imagine the genes in him

Aguero wants him to be born in Madrid and Diego isn't too happy about that.

So are we going to see Del Bosque call him up at his first birthday and give a minute or two just to be on the safe side??

Hem fet un mal partit wrote:

Olé wrote:

kas wrote:Don't know where to put this, but in today's Marca there's a sub-headline on the front page, telling Del Bosque to be alert - apparently Aguero's kid with Maradona's daughter is going to be a boy, and born in Spain with dual Spanish/Argentinian nationality!

Imagine the genes in him

Aguero wants him to be born in Madrid and Diego isn't too happy about that.

So are we going to see Del Bosque call him up at his first birthday and give a minute or two just to be on the safe side??

Nice idea, but won't work Quincy Owusu-Abeyie.

He'll be too small to make it with those genes.