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    Post by Parks lives Mon Dec 22, 2008 11:06 am

    Winners

    Manchester United
    Exactly the result they would have been hoping for at the Emirates.


    Liverpool
    The consolation is the reminder that, even against this malfunctioning Arsenal side, a point at the Emirates is a decent result and it maintains Liverpool's unbeaten record against fellow 'Big Four' opposition this season. The nagging doubt will be their failure to take advantage against a numerically-disadvantaged side also deprived of their captain and playmaker. When a statement could have been made, Liverpool went mute.

    Perversely, it must have been a source of regret for Rafa Benitez to see his side threaten to score in the closing minutes because had David N'Gog been introduced before the 88th minute then a winner may have been forthcoming. That even the notoriously-cautious Benitez decided to finish the game searching for a winner can be interpreted as notice that the Spaniard did not consider a draw an especially satisfactory result.

    Their lead at the top of the table may have been doubled but, with just one win from their last five matches, Liverpool's early-season momentum has been stalled and they are vulnerable to being overtaken tonight.


    West Brom
    Ever since Bradford came close to bankrupting themselves in 2000 by spending a vast amount on Benito Carbone and chums in a failed bid to stay in the Premier League, newcomers have proved reluctant to attempt to spend their way clear of trouble. Yet prudence is also a matter of calculation and, albeit as an outsider looking in, it is puzzling that the Baggies plan to "find a few loans" next month when survival is reputedly worth £50m. Surely as little (or as much) as £10m is worth the gamble given the stakes involved?


    Robin van Persie
    How different last season may have been for Arsenal had Van Persie not been injured.

    Not, though, that there should be much sympathy. In a story that should be memorised by those wanting to know why Arsenal players suffer more injuries than most, the Dutchman recounted in the summer how a second rushed comeback in January caused a further two months out having originally suffered a thigh strain in October. "I came back too early," he said. "I had never had a muscle injury before so I didn't know what was normal. There was some pain but I thought perhaps it's nothing so I gave it a go."

    Which is an admirable attitude for a Sunday League player but a very odd way to treat a £30m product. And the game he rushed back for? A Carling Cup run-around with the kids.


    Blackburn Rovers
    It was 'only' against Stoke but Rovers would have been bottom at Christmas had they not won on Saturday.


    Sam Allardyce
    Stoke were also the victims of 'new manager syndrome' at the start of the year when Newcastle were immediately revitalised by the appointment of Kevin Keegan as Allardyce's successor. And, as one mailboxer has already pointed out, Allardyce's first match in charge of Newcastle also saw his new side 3-0 ahead within 27 minutes.


    Matthew Taylor
    Given that he plays in a low-scoring team, a high-scoring midfielder like Taylor is especially valuable to Bolton.


    Aston Villa
    Having deserved to take a point from their matches at Everton and West Ham, their two fortunate victories mean that Villa will be six points clear of Arsenal if the Gunners - without Cesc Fabregas and Emmanuel Adebayor - are beaten on Boxing Day.


    Sunderland
    To repeat a previous observation: Djibril Cisse and Kenwyne Jones will surely score enough goals to keep Sunderland in the league.


    Newcastle United
    Last-minute winners having conceded last-minute equalisers in their previous two home fixtures.


    Losers

    Manchester City
    It could only be City. From the dawn of a bright new world is a looming relegation fight. It's crazy even by City's legendary capacity for madness.

    A section of the City support at The Hawthorns is reported to have seranded Mark Hughes with the unflattering observation that "You don't know what you are doing" but then what's new? Nobody ever knows what is going on at City. Hughes believes his job is safe but after just one win in nine matches the pressure is mounting and "assurances" from Abu Dhabi may dry up if Hull are not beaten on Boxing Day.

    Whether the recent malaise also reduces the size of Hughes' transfer kitty next month is another unknown but it cannot help the mood of the dressing-room knowing that replacements are being sought. In effect, Hughes is asking his current set of players to buy him enough time so that he can buy a new set. Shake your head in wonder. It could only be City.


    Micah Richards
    If he continues playing like this he'll be the new Titus Bramble.


    Howard Webb
    Having suggested that Arsenal's supporters had no right to criticise the dismissal of Adebayor because they 'mourned the snapped leg of Eduardo last season', a comparison which is plainly preposterous, The Independent's match report from the Emirates continues by declaring 'the referee Howard Webb had little choice but to show Adebayor a yellow card because the studs-bared stamp has become one of football's great taboos'.

    Well, if it has, then the upgrade was achieved only on Saturday night after replays of Julio Arca's diabolical stamp on Andy Johnson. Webb's apologists can herald him as a protector but the outrage of the weekend was the feebleness of the response to Arca's disgusting lunge and if Adebayor was deemed guilty of a 'stamp' or a 'dangerous lunge' then his punishment should have been a straight red card and not a caution.

    As Webb only cautioned Adebayor then the presumption must be that he did not believe the 'lunge' was dangerous, in which case, given his foot did not make contact with the full-back and no foul was committed, it is difficult to fathom what Webb's reasoning actually was.


    Officialdom
    Howard Webb is rated the Premier League's top referee. He is also top of the charts for the number of red cards produced by Premier League referees this season. Start ringing the alarm bells.

    There was a painfully-telling moment just after half-time on Sunday when Abou Diaby, in a rare incident of accomplishment, cleanly dispossessed Alvaro Arbeloa only for Webb to whistle for a foul. "Winning the ball in this league is becoming very hard to do," muttered Andy Gray in commentary. Take a bow, son, because you're not wrong. Tackling itself will, one suspects, be the next 'great taboo' tackled by officialdom until the game ceases to be a contact sport. Indeed, Diaby was lucky. By the end of the match, almost every foul committed - or deemed to be committed - was greeted with a flash of yellow from Webb's pocket.

    Even less than 20 years ago, dismissals in football matches were rare and games were almost always XI v XI affairs. Not any longer. Having taken it upon themselves to rid the game of tackling, officialdom has made itself a dominant influence over the game as a whole. As an indication of how influential they have become, consider how many ex-referees are now regularly employed as media pundits to have their say on the most recent controversies. Why? Because more than ever, referees are having too loud a say over the direction of football matches. If the hallmark of a good referee is his anonymity then officialdom, led by its number-one-rated whistle-blower, is currently failing spectacularly.


    Arsenal
    They began the year with Tomas Rosicky, Alex Hleb, Mathieu Flamini and Cesc Fabregas as their preferred midfield quartet and will end it with Samir Nasri, Abou Diaby, Alex Song and Denilson. As well as they played in the final half-hour against the league leaders, the conclusion that Arsenal have declined is unavoidable.


    Tottenham
    Still unable to pull themselves clear of the mire.


    Carlton Cole
    Cole won over the West Ham fans last year but he is losing them again after squandering numerous opportunities this month. Cole's career record of 21 goals from 143 league appearances is pitifully meagre for a striker.


    Portsmouth
    Only Blackburn and the three promoted teams have a worse defensive record this season.


    Hull City
    Winners of just one of their last nine league games.
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    Post by Parks lives Mon Dec 22, 2008 11:08 am

    Feel abit sorry for Bolton, they've had a great run largely ignored.
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    Post by Bashmachkin Mon Dec 22, 2008 12:17 pm

    I think some people or outlets or whatever are too quick to call tackles 'disgusting', too quick to label them 'lunges' as if there was intent on the part of the perpetrator. I do not like cynical and dangerous challenges, and I think cynical fouls deserve yellow cards, and perhaps players should be more thoughtful even in the midst of the game, but I think it's rare that players really intend to hurt one another. Arca's challenge was a very bad one because it was very high, but I don't think he really lunged at Johnson. Adebayor was clearly just trying to shield the ball - he didn't catch Arbeloa, and had he caught him with his foot, it wouldn't have mattered because he wasn't moving it with any degree of force.

    Cisse and Jones's joint goalscoring celebration is something that is disgusting. It is ugly to watch and it's very self-absorbed, and I'd be very unimpressed, if I was Malbranque, say, who is Sunderland's best player, if I ran to celebrate a goal only to be shooed away whilst two idiots celebrate themselves.

    It's difficult to know why Manchester City are so bad defensively at the moment. Dunne was never quick, but he seems slower this season, whilst Richards isn't reading the game well, and they don't look very composed together anymore. I haven't seen them a great deal this season - Corluka isn't a quick defender, but he is quite composed, so maybe his departure has hurt them? I don't know how Zabaleta is playing? I didn't really rate Hughes for a long time at Blackburn, and I think he did a decent job there in the end, even if the job he did was overstated - but I do think he's out of his depth at City.

    David James is a big loser. He was rubbish against us a week ago, and I thought he dived over the ball for Bolton's first two goals this weekend.
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    Post by Khadrim Mon Dec 22, 2008 12:56 pm

    A couple of points in defense of the sending off. I doubt most tackles that hurt other players have any intent in them (unless its Keane). But a professional footballer should know what a dangerous play is. Arca's attempt to put his body between the ball and Johnson was dangerous because of the speed and force behind his action. Adebayor was guilty of the same thing against Insua to get his first yellow card. And if Arca's move (don't want to call it a tackle as it wasn't really) should've been a punishable by a red then so was that. A player should know stamping down is dangerous.

    Having said that and mulling it over I think both Arca and Adebayor wouldn't have warranted a red more of an orange. And whilst Arca was taken off by Southgate, Adebayor played on and attempted the same thing again to Arbeloa. And whilst he clearly got the ball and didn't go in hard the fact he was still doing in essence the same thing having been warned before would've made up Webb's mind. After all if a yellow is warning not to commit an action again, doing said action again warrants a second.

    Notice they haven't mentioned fulham having previously said it was a make or break weekend for us.

    Also this is the second time this site has castigated someone with a different point of view. Last time it was Arsenal supporters booing Eboue. This time its ex-Referees. Indeed how dare they come in support of their former colleagues (who are regularly attacked with no defenders). What do they know of the game? After all they only actually referreed matches so would have no insight into the game. Only the media can have soapbox to proclaim its opinion.

    They seem to have an agenda against Big Sam and by extension Bolton. Which will now move on to Blackburn in time I imagine.
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    Post by Kimbo Mon Dec 22, 2008 1:03 pm

    It's amazing that so much time(on here, the column, and on MOTD) can be dedicated to such a shite game of football like Arsenal v Liverpool. Rubbish game.
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    Post by Axeslammer Mon Dec 22, 2008 1:10 pm

    Parks lives wrote:
    Robin van Persie
    How different last season may have been for Arsenal had Van Persie not been injured.

    Not, though, that there should be much sympathy. In a story that should be memorised by those wanting to know why Arsenal players suffer more injuries than most, the Dutchman recounted in the summer how a second rushed comeback in January caused a further two months out having originally suffered a thigh strain in October. "I came back too early," he said. "I had never had a muscle injury before so I didn't know what was normal. There was some pain but I thought perhaps it's nothing so I gave it a go."

    Which is an admirable attitude for a Sunday League player but a very odd way to treat a £30m product. And the game he rushed back for? A Carling Cup run-around with the kids.

    And some people on here still treat Wenger as the second coming of the Lord Ale
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    Post by Cesc Soler Mon Dec 22, 2008 1:17 pm

    Surprised no one has picked up on the fact that van Persie is described as a £30m player. Whistle

    They have it right on Micah Richards though. Still a very young player and needs time to develop his weaker areas such as positioning and technique properly.
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    Post by Tweesus Mon Dec 22, 2008 1:22 pm

    Did anyone watch MOTD 2 last night?

    In the post match highlights RVP wasn't mentioned ONCe and neither was his top class goal replayed!
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    Post by christmasborocooper Mon Dec 22, 2008 1:24 pm

    Axeslammer wrote:
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    Robin van Persie
    How different last season may have been for Arsenal had Van Persie not been injured.

    Not, though, that there should be much sympathy. In a story that should be memorised by those wanting to know why Arsenal players suffer more injuries than most, the Dutchman recounted in the summer how a second rushed comeback in January caused a further two months out having originally suffered a thigh strain in October. "I came back too early," he said. "I had never had a muscle injury before so I didn't know what was normal. There was some pain but I thought perhaps it's nothing so I gave it a go."

    Which is an admirable attitude for a Sunday League player but a very odd way to treat a £30m product. And the game he rushed back for? A Carling Cup run-around with the kids.

    And some people on here still treat Wenger as the second coming of the Lord Ale

    Not many at the moment.
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    Post by Kimbo Mon Dec 22, 2008 1:25 pm

    Tweedle wrote:Did anyone watch MOTD 2 last night?

    In the post match highlights RVP wasn't mentioned ONCe and neither was his top class goal replayed!

    Shocking that they couldn't fit that into the 10 minutes that they spent dribbling on about how "fascinating" the game was.
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    Post by Yef Mon Dec 22, 2008 1:38 pm

    Tweedle wrote:Did anyone watch MOTD 2 last night?

    In the post match highlights RVP wasn't mentioned ONCe and neither was his top class goal replayed!

    I noticed that too...yet that silly Keane goal and the fact that he got subbed again got discussed for ages. I will send a racist complain mail to them!
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    Post by Football Genius Mon Dec 22, 2008 1:57 pm

    Why is Richards used as a centreback when he clearly is a better right back with his current lack of experience, power and pace going forward, is it simply because City lack options in central defence?

    If he actually played week in week out at right back, he may even get back into the England set up.
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    Post by Axeslammer Mon Dec 22, 2008 2:14 pm

    Tweedle wrote:Did anyone watch MOTD 2 last night?

    In the post match highlights RVP wasn't mentioned ONCe and neither was his top class goal replayed!

    Neither was the match winning save Van der Sar made in stoppage time against Liverpool/Chelsea 2-3 weeks ago.

    MotD is clearly anti-Dutch, but they have been for a while now so that's nothing new.
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    Post by Kimbo Mon Dec 22, 2008 2:17 pm

    They're clearly anti-Newcastle, they didn't show yesterdays Street Fighter celebration.

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    Post by christmasborocooper Mon Dec 22, 2008 2:23 pm

    Excuse me for a moment.