the SACK MAGATH thread

I've had it with that twat who makes love to his medicine balls

I've had it up to HERE !!

Bayern vs St. Pauli in the DFB Pokal

you would have thought that the PRINZ was allowed to start after his fieldwork in San Marino and against Ireland, right ? RIGHT ??

Makaay, Santa and Pizarro have hardly set the world alight recently

the game is kicked off and Poldi , Germany's hottest talent on heat, is asked to cool down on the bench

Makaay, predictably could not hit a barn-door, Bayern concede and are about to lose, on comes the PRINZ at half-time (for the Dutchie) and

SCORES WITHIN 30 seconds

Meanwhile , van Bommel is allowed to start despite clearly being rusty and not knowing what his team-mates are doing (the very same reason for Poldi's ommission at the start of the season)

Magath's response: " We wanted to throw him in at the deep end"

which begs the question: " Why are Germans like Poldi now, and Deisler/Lahm/Schweini in the past treated like second rate players with something to prove whereas foreign imports get the red carpet treatment???"

Magath is the DEATH of German football, he is

German football's GRIM REAPER

SACK MAGATH, SACK HIM NOW

Ich hab die Faxen dicke !

Who would you have replace him, Otto?

Poor....

I warned you that Van Bommel wsn't very good too - it seems bizarre that Makaay continues to be picked when everyone knows him to be pants.

Also any coach that is a fan of a 4-2-2-2 formation deserves to be sacked

Well, Magath's logic is indeed somewhat special at times.

Yesterday I was more surprised even Schweini had to warm the bench for the first half...

He sounds like he has about as much managing ability as Glenn Roeder

Obispo wrote:Who would you have replace him, Otto?

there are not that many candidates really

Daum would be excellent but is persona non grata at Bayern

Doll would be good but could hardly abandon his Dutch revolution in Hamburg

Klopp at Mainz would be brilliant, but has time on his side and won't leave Mainz now

Schaaf is too north German and part of the furniture at Bremen

maybe Bernd Schuster

or van Basten: that way Bayern would not win anything in the near future and the Dutch would owe us big time

@ tweed

van Bommel is probably indeed not good enough for Bayern

give him time though

my problem with Magath is that he treats Germans as second class players whereas Johnny Foreigner gets all them chocolates on them pillows

could you imagine SAF leaving Rooney on the bench ???

Lampard plays for Chelsea because he is English; having him on the bench would benefit the club

having Poldi on the bench weakens the team

but hey, he's German

PATHETIC

How about Lippi or Del Bosque?

I know there are benefits to having a German manager but it is also benefitial to sometimes get some foreign blood in to stir things up a bit.

Tweedledum wrote:He sounds like he has about as much managing ability as Glenn Roeder

Looks like he's best when trying to save clubs from relegation and not when dealing with a team that's essentially doing well and just needs that special something to achieve its high ambitions. If it weren't for the bad blood and anger that followed his exit to Bayern, I'd welcome him back to Stuttgart with open arms. Because even though cracks were starting to show when he was still at the VfB, he did a lot better than his three successors.

Magath is the DEATH of German football

... except for a bunch of players once known as the Stuttgart Junge Wilde. You can't generalise there, otto! Sure, you could argue that e.g. Lahm would have flourished under any coach, given his abilities and determination, but really, it was Magath who first tried him on the left and so got him his "niche" during a time when we had an abundance of rightbacks (Friedrich, Hinkel, Görlitz).

Tweedledum wrote:How about Lippi or Del Bosque?

I know there are benefits to having a German manager but it is also benefitial to sometimes get some foreign blood in to stir things up a bit.

you need somebody who knows the lingo

Traps at Bayern had massive problems

Benitez in his first year at Liverpool, by his own admission, could not get his message across

note that German is considerably more difficult to learn than English

Moaninho said that Bayern would be very interesting for him, but he would want to learn the language first

which means, the manager would have to be German/Austrian/Swiss/Dutch/Scandinavian or Alsatian(French)

or

for whatever reason be able to speak German anyway

Wenger or Hiddink would be real options, but Wenger's lack of understanding the European game would have him sacked wihin two seasons at the most

maybe Olsen or a Dutchie

@ hedgehog

Magath at Stuttgart was excellent, also with young German players

at Bayern he feels the pressure though and plays to the oldest German prejudice in the book: the idea that foreigners must have more skill and be better

in a way he plays it safe, a bit like Sven for England

Magath's comments after the San Marino game were downright criminal. He kind of suggested that Poldi's brilliant form for Germany did not change anything for him at Bayern where he still had to work himself up from scratch

must club managers try to HELP their players, encourage them, nurture them

Magath plays the hard to please step-father

hands of olsen

Wenger has a lack of understanding of the European game?

What do you mean by that?

otto the humble German wrote:
Magath's comments after the San Marino game were downright criminal. He kind of suggested that Poldi's brilliant form for Germany did not change anything for him at Bayern where he still had to work himself up from scratch

In Magath's theory Poldi's good form is due the good treatment at Bayern...

sack him

You just pointed out Otto who they can get as his replacement , and I see none that will be willing to come and would be good enough.

You know my standpoint on this otto, as explained umpteen times. I fully agree with you, Magath should be sacked for the sake of the club, and especially for the sake of German football.

And who do you think would be his replacement blut?

Can't see us getting anybody good to replace him at the moment. And I'm afraid Hoeness will let him finish out the season no matter what happens.

Well, unless they finish last in their CL Group and aren't even top 3 in the Bundesliga. Highly unlikely.

BilalShah wrote:And who do you think would be his replacement blut?

What about Hitzfeld again, who is basically doing nothing these days? There may have been some bad blood after he left, but I'm very sure that the Bayern management and fans would welcome him with open arms these days.

From the guys Otto mentioned, I'd imagine Olsen to be a very good candidate, not that unrealistic either.

Knowing that Bayern basically can afford any manager, Hiddink could be a realistic option in future as well.

If the Prinz continues his scoring form he will replace Makaay automatically. If Magath were a Dutchie he would have played with Der Prinz instead of Makaay already because Dutchies always choose (statistically) rather for a youth player than for oldies...

Germans and others mostly stick with the oldies till the youngster proofed he is REALLY ready for it....

Ricardo, Makaay vs. Poldi is not the point here, as explained in the Bayern thread already. It's Santa Cruz who should be benched, not Makaay. Makaay and Poldi should be first choice in the attack. Makaay is still a goal threat, even if he has a bad match.

The last good match of Santa Cruz was in May last season, when the Bayern management seriously believed that he could replace Ballack in the OM, so they decided not to buy a replacement for him until they were slaughtered 4-0 in a friendly against Barcelona a few weeks ago (-> Van Bommel transfer).

As a Bayern fan, I'd be seriously pissed off about the management to be honest.

will it work to real strikers??? Or do you think the Prinz can also serve Makaay pretty well????

Poldi can serve Makaay well, that I'm sure of. They are not as similar as some people believe them to be.

This could be seen best yesterday against St. Pauli. Once Poldi came in, he linked attack and midfield much better than Makaay, the main reason why Bayern dominated in the second half.

Poldi played "hängende Spitze" for Cologne most of the time, for example. He is a clinical striker (usually), but he is much more than that.

why the hell sack MAgath

he is doing an fantastic job in my eyes

2nd half yesterday was very entertaining

podolski has taken his chance, now i think he is a starter

santa cruz last year before his injury he was the best bayern striker, so i think he has a lot of potenzial when eh is fully fit

i dont wanna see makaay anymore, a striker like him does not fit into a modern game, the only thing he is doing wating for a ball and hope for enough space to bring on a shot

thats good enough for the bundesliga maybe, but in CL against top teams, thats not enough, he is not working for the team

Makaay was one of your best players in the first two league matches (especially against Dortmund), Bayern fans were hyping him to no end, and now after a bad match in the cup you don't want to see him anymore? Fickle Bayern fans...

blutgraetsche wrote:Makaay was one of your best players in the first two league matches (especially against Dortmund), Bayern fans were hyping him to no end, and now after a bad match in the cup you don't want to see him anymore? Fickle Bayern fans...

One bad half when he didn't get any service at all because the midfield was simply not working...

Makaay is still a way better striker than Poldi, but maybe the young Pole will get there. I'd certainly start with both of them....should take the pressure off for both of them and once they get a partnership going it will be a goals galore.

Otto was wondering about a Dutch manager....I know the perfect one for you : Martin Jol. IIRC he has played at Bayern as a player and he has a reputation for developing homegrown talent....

the fact Deisler rates him, should be enough reason for immediate sacking!

Axeslammer ! wrote:

blutgraetsche wrote:Makaay was one of your best players in the first two league matches (especially against Dortmund), Bayern fans were hyping him to no end, and now after a bad match in the cup you don't want to see him anymore? Fickle Bayern fans...

One bad half when he didn't get any service at all because the midfield was simply not working...

Makaay is still a way better striker than Poldi, but maybe the young Pole will get there. I'd certainly start with both of them....should take the pressure off for both of them and once they get a partnership going it will be a goals galore.

Otto was wondering about a Dutch manager....I know the perfect one for you : Martin Jol. IIRC he has played at Bayern as a player and he has a reputation for developing homegrown talent....

As a Jol fan I should agree with you but at Spurs he is more and more becomming a "big player" coach. He more and more choose for big names instead of young gifted talents...

Why he didn't give a super a talent like El Hamdaoui a real chance? Why not Routledge etc.. etc.. I hope I am mistaken but I am a bit worried he changed the last couple of years at Spurs....

Schweini not playing on Saturday was fine. Podolski not starting on Saturday was wrong. He realised this at half time and brought him on. Podolski must start on Tuesday, if he does not then I will start thinking that Magath is seeing something that I am not.

I like Magath, he is a good coach and a likeable guy, but he is no Hitzfeld. If I could have any manager in the game then it would be Der General.

There's nothing wrong with Makaay at all. he does what he does and he does it well. I'm more concerned with Santa Cruz than Makaay. Roque needs to show what he can do now that he is fit again.

And juding van Bommel after his first game?? That's pretty lame.