1. Bundesliga: 18. Spieltag

Bayernto send Kroos on loan to Leverkusen till 2010

Excellent deal for Bayer

http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/bundesliga/startseite/artikel/503794/

Metze's Haeschen wrote:Bayern are sending Kroos on loan to Leverkusen till 2010

Excellent deal for Bayer

http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/bundesliga/startseite/artikel/503794/

Dumb. Until the end of the season maybe, but for a year and a half?

Normally there should be an option to end the deal prematurely if the club wants is that the case.

Metze's Haeschen wrote:Bayernto send Kroos on loan to Leverkusen till 2010

Excellent deal for Bayer

http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/bundesliga/startseite/artikel/503794/

More an excellent deal for Bayern if you ask me. Kroos is an arrogant overhyped talent, who wasn't good enough for Bayern. And Pillenkusen don't have honour...educating talents for Bayern...

Anyway, draws for Pillenkusen and Golfsburg plus a loss for the orcs. A good day for Bremen all in all.

chrissicross wrote:

Metze's Haeschen wrote:Bayernto send Kroos on loan to Leverkusen till 2010

Excellent deal for Bayer

http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/bundesliga/startseite/artikel/503794/

More an excellent deal for Bayern if you ask me. Kroos is an arrogant overhyped talent, who wasn't good enough for Bayern. And Pillenkusen don't have honour...educating talents for Bayern...

Don't you think that you're writing him off a bit too early? Kroos' talent is undisputed, what he needs now is an environment where he gets match-practise to gain some experience. The Pillendreher are an excellent choice in this regard.

Could become a win-win situation for all involved. Leverkusen strengthen their side and will probably even challenge Bayern for the title; Kroos can play in one of the most attacking teams of the league; and in two years Bayern will get back an hopefully much matured Kroos who then will be ready to become a starter for them.

Hopefully it'll work out with him the way it did with Lahm and Stuttgart.

@chrissi

Why do you call Kroos overhyped and arrogant?

chrissicross wrote:Anyway, draws for Pillenkusen and Golfsburg plus a loss for the orcs. A good day for Bremen all in all.

That is true, but only if you yourself don't mess it up tomorrow.

Btw, who will be your strikers tomorrow? Rosenberg is ill I've heard, Pizarro suspended, which leaves Almeida and

Wahey, three points. (Apologies, kroesius!) Crappy performances still, all in all, our pitch looks atrocious, our midfield is just not good enough... But hey, when's the last time we actually scored after a corner?


And a very well done to Hannover. What a game... Über Hannover lacht die Sonne und über Schalke lacht ganz HannoverDeutschland.

anglophileHedgehog wrote:Wahey, three points. (Apologies, kroesius!) Crappy performances still, all in all, our pitch looks atrocious, our midfield is just not good enough... But hey, when's the last time we actually scored after a corner?


And a very well done to Hannover. What a game... Über Hannover lacht die Sonne und über Schalke lacht ganz HannoverDeutschland.

I asked last week wher is boulahrouz...? Is he injured or something...

Where will Kroos play at Bayer?

anglophileHedgehog wrote:Wahey, three points. (Apologies, kroesius!) Crappy performances still, all in all, our pitch looks atrocious, our midfield is just not good enough... But hey, when's the last time we actually scored after a corner?


And a very well done to Hannover. What a game... Über Hannover lacht die Sonne und über Schalke lacht ganz HannoverDeutschland.

Rutten and Meyer will be sacked before march, I predict.
Schalke is nothing else but a disgrace. The Schalke players would have the potential to be heavy contenders for the title.
But this team is absolutely rotten.
And Rutten is overstrained. To be fair, none of the managers before Rutten got the team under control.
But Rutten had no experience how to coach a club like Schalke, before he came. In the end, Müller is responsible. You can´t take a Rutten, if your team is so rotten.

Well, if we lose the next home match against Hoffenheim, which is very likely, the situation will become unconfortable for Meyer, too.
Now, he has got the players he wanted and had time to prepare the players during the winter break. But this match against Stuttgart was no progress. We played "Angsthasenfußball". Meyer benched his best player for most of the game.

Ricardo Jol wrote:

anglophileHedgehog wrote:Wahey, three points. (Apologies, kroesius!) Crappy performances still, all in all, our pitch looks atrocious, our midfield is just not good enough... But hey, when's the last time we actually scored after a corner?


And a very well done to Hannover. What a game... Über Hannover lacht die Sonne und über Schalke lacht ganz HannoverDeutschland.

I asked last week wher is boulahrouz...? Is he injured or something...

Sorry, overlooked it... No, he's not injured, Babbel just prefers to play Tasci and Delpierre at the moment.

anglophileHedgehog wrote:

Ricardo Jol wrote:

anglophileHedgehog wrote:Wahey, three points. (Apologies, kroesius!) Crappy performances still, all in all, our pitch looks atrocious, our midfield is just not good enough... But hey, when's the last time we actually scored after a corner?


And a very well done to Hannover. What a game... Über Hannover lacht die Sonne und über Schalke lacht ganz HannoverDeutschland.

I asked last week wher is boulahrouz...? Is he injured or something...

Sorry, overlooked it... No, he's not injured, Babbel just prefers to play Tasci and Delpierre at the moment.

sorry about my ignorance about Stuttgart this season but was he not good?

Ricardo Jol wrote:

anglophileHedgehog wrote:

Ricardo Jol wrote:

anglophileHedgehog wrote:Wahey, three points. (Apologies, kroesius!) Crappy performances still, all in all, our pitch looks atrocious, our midfield is just not good enough... But hey, when's the last time we actually scored after a corner?


And a very well done to Hannover. What a game... Über Hannover lacht die Sonne und über Schalke lacht ganz HannoverDeutschland.

I asked last week wher is boulahrouz...? Is he injured or something...

Sorry, overlooked it... No, he's not injured, Babbel just prefers to play Tasci and Delpierre at the moment.

sorry about my ignorance about Stuttgart this season but was he not good?

Quite the contrary. I think he just picked up a minor injury at the wrong time (he was out with a muscle tear a few times).

tnx wiebke...

Too bad for him

Effenberg wrote:Hopefully it'll work out with him the way it did with Lahm and Stuttgart.

Hopefully.

Metze's Haeschen wrote:

chrissicross wrote:

Metze's Haeschen wrote:Bayernto send Kroos on loan to Leverkusen till 2010

Excellent deal for Bayer

http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/bundesliga/startseite/artikel/503794/

More an excellent deal for Bayern if you ask me. Kroos is an arrogant overhyped talent, who wasn't good enough for Bayern. And Pillenkusen don't have honour...educating talents for Bayern...

Don't you think that you're writing him off a bit too early? Kroos' talent is undisputed, what he needs now is an environment where he gets match-practise to gain some experience. The Pillendreher are an excellent choice in this regard.

Could become a win-win situation for all involved. Leverkusen strengthen their side and will probably even challenge Bayern for the title; Kroos can play in one of the most attacking teams of the league; and in two years Bayern will get back an hopefully much matured Kroos who then will be ready to become a starter for them.

I don´t say he doesn´t have talent, he´s surely a big talent, but he isn´t nowhere as good as people make him, at least not yet. That why he´s overhyped imo.

And I agree Leverkusen are an excellent choice, even the best choice imo, that´s why I also said that´s an excellent deal for Bayern.

However I wonder which of their own midfielders he might replace in order to become a regular starter for Leverkusen...Vidal? Barnetta?? Rolfes??? Augusto????

Kroos doesn´t strenghten Leverkusen, he just adds some death, at least for the moment. And if Leverkusen really want to challenge Bayern, they should at least be able to beat them once in a while...

Effenberg wrote:@chrissi

Why do you call Kroos arrogant?

Because of some interviews I read resp. watched on tv. I remember especially that silly interview in Bild...

Calidad wrote:Where will Kroos play at Bayer?

Leverkusen play a sort of diamond formation in midfield. Kroos would here most likely challenge Vidal for a starting spot in the CM. Alternatively, it's also possible for him to play RM and Augusto in the centre.

Barnetta - Vidal (Kroos) - Augusto
---------------- Rolfes ---------------

@chrissi

Fair enough. I fully agree with you on your first paragraph. Kroos is not yet the supa-dupa world class player some may already see in him. Whether he ever will reach those levels is doubtful too, but he does offer qualities that will strengthen the Pillendreher IMO.

First of all, his set-pieces are one of the best in the league (this is not that difficult though). Above that Leverkusen's finishing is not exactly great (*cough* Dortmund *cough*) and they really could have done with someone who can shoot from distance yesterday.

And yes, it won't be easy to fit him into the current system. While Kroos will bring an added goal threat to their midfield, is he compared to Vidal rather poor defensively. Labbadia will have to find the right balance here, otherwise Rolfes would get overburdened with too much defensive work.

But this is all not too relevant at the moment anyway. Kroos is still in rehabilitation training, so besides a few late subs, I don't expect him to have much of an impact in the Rückrunde.

HT

Bochum v KSC 1-0


Bremen v Bielefeld 1-1

Boring match so far. Bremen are the dominant team without creating any clear goal scoring opportunities though and like so often conceded one on the counter. Just before half time Almeida scored from a free-kick to make it 1-1.

FT

Bochum vs KSC 2-0

Bremen vs Bielefeld 1-2

What a disappointing, disjointed and F-U-C-K-I-N-G depressing display from Werder. On this form they won't even reach an UEFA Cup spot this season.

By the way the Hamburg goal was offside.

http://www.spox.com/myspox/foto/Abseits,91622.html

Turkish club Besiktas JK has announced that the team has reached an agreement with Schalke 04 for the services of defensive midfielder Fabian Ernst (29). According to reports, Besiktas will pay a 3.5 million euro transfer fee to Schalke, while Ernst will receive 1.8 million euro a year. Ernst will be arriving in Istanbul today at 2:30 GMT to sign a 2.5 year contract with the Turkish outfit.

Sounds like chrissi was right on Kroos. Gerland's verdict on him is...well... fairly uncompromising.

Bayern-Trainer rechnet mit Supertalent Kroos ab

Metze's Haeschen wrote:FT

Bochum vs KSC 2-0

Bremen vs Bielefeld 1-2

What a disappointing, disjointed and F-U-C-K-I-N-G depressing display from Werder. On this form they won't even reach an UEFA Cup spot this season.

That was the first win for Bielefeld in Bremen ever and also their first away win since September 2007...

Unbelievable how shit we are atm...

Effenberg wrote:By the way the Hamburg goal was offside.

http://www.spox.com/myspox/foto/Abseits,91622.html

who cares

We do.