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    1. Bundesliga - 19. Spieltag

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    Post by Effenberg Mon Feb 09, 2009 2:02 pm

    Metze's Haeschen wrote:Zé Roberto wants to stay and is about to extend his contract with Bayern.
    http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/bundesliga/startseite/artikel/504177/

    Despite his age he really has been phenomenal thus far this season. Really good news for Bayern.

    He is the key for us. People always focus on Ribery's work in midfield, but Ribery needs technically strong players like Ze and Lahm around him to show his worth.

    Age in football is overrated. If a player keeps fit and has been lucky with injuries, he should be able to play at the highest level until at least his mid-30s. Heck, Michael Jordan won three NBA titles, playing 100 games a season at the age of 34 to 36.

    Now all we need is a quality right back and a fourth striker (if Donovan doesn't cut it). That way we should be able to compete at all levels next year. Especially if we can sort out some of our defensive issues over the summer.
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    Post by Stiftung Haeschentest Mon Feb 09, 2009 3:22 pm

    A quality RB? How about Rafinha? Offload van Bommel to Schalke and get him in return. You even would swap van Bommel for someone who scores equally high on the c**t-o-meter, which is saying something. Perfect deal, if you ask me. Wink

    What do you make of Toni's on-field drama? I personally don't read much into this particular incident, as Toni was obviously only pissed to get subbed for Donovan, but judging from the last matches it seems that the chemistry between Klose and Toni is indeed not the best at the moment.

    Unlike last season when Klose often selflessly passed the ball to Toni, he now seems more ambitious to go for it himself, which is understandably considering how selfish Toni can be at times. However, this also means that they too often get into each other's way nowadays and ultimately harm your overall game, as could also be seen yesterday.

    New problems are looming for Klinsi methinks. Whistle
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    Post by DS Mon Feb 09, 2009 3:32 pm

    Effenberg wrote:
    Metze's Haeschen wrote:Zé Roberto wants to stay and is about to extend his contract with Bayern.
    http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/bundesliga/startseite/artikel/504177/

    Despite his age he really has been phenomenal thus far this season. Really good news for Bayern.

    He is the key for us. People always focus on Ribery's work in midfield, but Ribery needs technically strong players like Ze and Lahm around him to show his worth.

    Age in football is overrated. If a player keeps fit and has been lucky with injuries, he should be able to play at the highest level until at least his mid-30s. Heck, Michael Jordan won three NBA titles, playing 100 games a season at the age of 34 to 36.

    Now all we need is a quality right back and a fourth striker (if Donovan doesn't cut it). That way we should be able to compete at all levels next year. Especially if we can sort out some of our defensive issues over the summer.
    Different game, 12 mins quarter with start and stops, less ground to cover etc etc.

    Tymo covers the DM role but still need another midfielder for me, either creative and a goal threat or box to box.
    Where do you think Baumjohann will play and where Schweni will line up next season ?
    RB is another ofcourse.
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    Post by chrissicross Mon Feb 09, 2009 5:28 pm

    Effenberg wrote:Age in football is overrated.
    ok And Ze Roberto is the best example.


    DS wrote:Where do you think Baumjohann will play?
    He will play cards on the bench methinks... Whistle Wink
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    Post by DS Mon Feb 09, 2009 6:26 pm

    Well he already helped us by scoring against Hoffenheim.
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    Post by Effenberg Tue Feb 10, 2009 2:51 am

    I really have no idea what they will do with Baumjohann, especially since we still have Borowski. Guess he'll get his chance and will just have to make the best of it.

    That's the thing about a quality squad. If there are no injuries, somebody will be unhappy. If there are injuries, you're somewhat covered but you still lose some quality.

    I take a couple of moaners over an injury to a key player any day of the week.
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    Post by Stiftung Haeschentest Tue Feb 10, 2009 5:26 pm

    Norbert Dickel: Ausraster im BVB-Netradio!
    http://www.bild.de/BILD/sport/fussball/bundesliga/vereine/dortmund/2009/02/10/bvb-stadionsprecher-norbert-dickel/ausraster-bei-niederlage-bei-bayern-muenchen.html

    lol!

    Wo der gute Mann Recht hat, hat er Recht! Whistle
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    Post by Stiftung Haeschentest Tue Feb 10, 2009 5:29 pm

    League crack down on lewd shirt numbers to concentrate on 50+1

    Bundesliga results went Bayern Munich's way as numerical controversies dominated the headlines

    At 21 minutes past five on Saturday evening, everybody knew it would be Bayern's weekend. Hoffenheim's Brazilian striker Wellington had just equalised against Gladbach in the dying seconds of their match. He scored from an offside position but it didn't really matter that much – everything had gone right for the Champions before, so that tiny piece of misfortune hardly rankled.

    First, Hertha, the most improbable high-flyers since the Hindenburg, were held to a 1-1 draw away to Bielefeld on Friday night. Then, a determined Stuttgart side led by Thomas Hitzlsperger and the irrepressible Mario Gomez brutally tore through Bayer Leverkusen's beautifully crafted new facade to expose the old fragility at their core. Bruno Labbadia's men went down 4-2 in Düsseldorf, their temporary home while the BayArena is being renovated.

    And it got better still. Hamburg somehow managed to lose 3-2 away to the bottom-of-the-table scrappers Karlsruhe after holding a 2-0 lead. The Hamburg manager, Martin Jol, took a leaf out of his successor at Tottenham's book: he blamed a player. New recruit Michael Gravgaard, a centre-back from FC Copenhagen, had made the type of errors you only ever see in "youth football", Jol said sarcastically. Süddeutsche Zeitung thought the 30-year-old's Bundesliga debut was even on a par with Jean-Marie Pfaff's first disastrous outing for Bayern against Bremen in 1982. The Belgian goalkeeper famously managed to punch a Uwe Reinders throw-in into his own net.

    So by the time the perennial champions kicked off against a depleted Dortmund side on Sunday, the stage was set for a restorative move up the table. Despite the worst efforts from Martin Demichelis, whose slip allowed Nelson Valdez to score after 77 seconds, and Miroslav Klose in front of Roman Weidenfeller's goal, Bayern still triumphed 3-1.. "We had 100,000 opportunities," said a relieved Uli Hoeneß after Klose had redeemed himself with two late goals. "If you divide our chances by those Dortmund created, you'd have a great result." Better not try this formula in maths class, kids.

    There was a healthy dose of controversy as well when Kevin-Prince Boateng appeared to stamp on Klose's thigh in a suspiciously "accidental" manner. "Schweinerei" (disgrace), exclaimed the former Germany captain, Franz Beckenbauer, working as a television pundit. But Jürgen Klopp didn't agree: "It was never violent conduct," said the Dortmund coach. "I find it incredible that anyone could make these allegations. Maybe it's simply because he looks a little wilder". And still decidedly mediocre, by the way.

    Bild all but ignored the Boateng brouhaha, however, as the daily was enraptured by the real story of the week: the Bundesliga's decision to bar the Karlsruhe defender Dino Drpic from wearing the No69 shirt. "We've asked the clubs to choose low numbers in order to keep things clear and lucid," explained a league official, Holger Hieronymous. Bild, though, is convinced there's rather more to it. Germany's most wholesome tabloid admonished the officials for their "prudish" stance and helpfully explained that "69 is a love-position where man and woman lie on top of each other and…" (You get the rest. But after finishing this column, please).

    It's probably best to clamp down on Drpic and his rotten mind early doors, because it could all get out of hand. In their native Croatia, Drpic and his model-wife, Nives Celsius, are best known for a secret late-night tryst in Dinamo Zagreb's Maksimir stadium: the couple decided to, ahem, consummate their marriage in the centre-circle, with all the floodlights on. When Celsius admitted this indiscretion in a book, Dinamo fired the defender, paving the way for the move to Germany.

    While Bild was revelling in 69-gate, the broadsheets were busy discussing the real story of the week: "50 + 1". These numbers are shorthand for the league's ownership regulations. In Germany, the majority of a club's shares (50% plus a share) must always lie with the club itself, in other words, with its members. The 50 +1 rule was only re-affirmed in November yet a number of clubs are eager for it to be relaxed. Hannover's president, Martin Kind, for example, has worked out a compromise model. He would allow full ownership to pass to an investor, provided a number of criteria are met. Sugar daddies would have to commit to a long-term investment, allow the clubs the right to reclaim their shares in case of insolvency and face tough restrictions on dividends.

    Eintracht Frankfurt and Hertha have similar ideas but they're being resisted by the bigger clubs. "The traditional teams are only too happy to preserve the status quo," said Kind.

    One reason the debate has become so acute is the success of TSG Hoffenheim. They are being bank-rolled by the wealthy benefactor, Dietmar Hopp, to the tune of €175m, but he neither owns nor legally controls the club. "We have to look very carefully whether this type of engagement doesn't undermine the 50 + 1 rule," said the Borussia Dortmund chief executive, Hans-Joachim Watzke, on Sunday.

    There is also a sense that the league's regulations are open to a legal challenge and ultimately indefensible. After all, the Bundesliga has already made exceptions for Leverkusen and Wolfsburg, who are both owned and financially supported by Bayer and Volkswagen, respectively. "There can never be a totally level playing field," said the Wolfburg manager Felix Magath.

    The Schalke CEO, Peter Peters, warned against going down the Premier League-route, however. "We would open Pandora's box and start a rat race," he said in Stern. "The total capitalisation of the game would take us to the edge of the sport's credibility and in the end clubs like Hanover would be exactly where they started off."

    Professor Tobias Kollmann from the University of Duisburg-Essen has also put forward his own compromise paper. "We need to find a way that enables economic partners to take a club to a new sporting and financial level", he told zeit online, "a quick in-and-out scenario has to be avoided at all cost". Dino and Nives would probably beg to differ.

    Results: Bielefeld 1–1 Hertha, Schalke 1-0 Bremen, Karlsruhe 3–2 Hamburg, Wolfsburg 2–0 Bochum, Frankfurt 2–2 Cologne, Gladbach 1–1 Hoffenheim, Leverkusen 2–4 Stuttgart, Energie Cottbus 3-1 Hanover, Bayern 3–1 Dortmund.

    - Raphael Honigstein -

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2009/feb/10/raphael-onigstein-bundesliga-blog-bayern-munich
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    Post by chrissicross Tue Feb 10, 2009 6:57 pm

    The only real benefit I can see is that the league as a whole might become stronger internationally without the 50+1 rule. But would it become that much stronger to catch up with the Italian, Spanish let alone the English league?

    Otherwise I have to agree with Peters. The "best" owners/sponsors will go for the big clubs, the economical strong regions, the big cities, clubs from Munich, Hamburg, Cologne, Dortmund (resp. Rhein/Ruhr district), Berlin, Stuttgart etc. So for clubs like Hanover hardly anything would change, they would still remain a mid-table club at best. And for clubs like Cottbus it would be even more hopeless.
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    Post by Stiftung Haeschentest Tue Feb 10, 2009 8:04 pm

    Agree with you. IMO people link to high expectations to the change of this rule. We already have two clubs, WOB and Leverkusen, that don't fall under the 50+1 rule and it's not as if they are dominating the league or gain a significant advantage from it.

    Also, a lot of people confuse investors with sugar daddies. Investors won't flood the clubs with money, they want to earn money, generate a ROI on their business, so abolishing the 50+1 rule will hardly see an influx of Ronaldos, Messis and Kakas into the BL. Wink

    And for the patronage of a club a change of regulation is not necessary. This is already possible under current rule. The financial support by Hopp and Kind for 'their' clubs is well documented after all.

    I am not necessarily against a rule change. To an extent it may help a club financially, may increase their creditworthiness and all that, but all in all I too don't think it would have a significant impact on our competitiveness on the European stage.

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