Top ten teams in Europe?

Cirque du Barcelona wrote: Your first team draw Porto at OT. And I don't think Porto are stronger then Bayern.

1. Barca
2. Liverpool
3. Man United
4. Chelsea
5. Arsenal
6. Villareal
7. Porto
8. Bayern
9. Inter
10. Real

L-r d wrote:

Cirque du Barcelona wrote:

L-r d wrote:

Rosicky wrote:

L-r d wrote:

Rosicky wrote:Barcelona = 1

Anyone who disagrees is wrong

What did they win last two years again? oh thats right nothing.

tweedle says currently.

Currently what? Currently what shitty la liga team they beat 3-0 at home? Our reserves would whooped bayern as well! and lyon are on course to not win their first title in 5 years!

Currently smurrently Barca need to beat a team who can defend i don't think they can do it.

Your first team draw Porto at OT. And I don't think Porto are stronger then Bayern.

1. Barca
2. Liverpool
3. Man United
4. Chelsea
5. Arsenal
6. Villareal
7. Porto
8. Bayern
9. Inter
10. Real

I should have said much stronger. They are about the same. I've put Porto in front because they might still qualify. If Porto would have played Barca and Bayern played United things might have been different.

Oh dear Gone

Like I said, I've only put Porto in front because they where lucky and got United and not Barca.

kas wrote:The top 6 would be the English Big 4, Barcelona, and Inter.

What i can't understand is why everyone rates Inter so high (sorry bluenine). They have done shit all in europe. Yes they are quiet good domestically but thats it.

Maybe they wouldn't lose 4-0 or 5-2 in Barca like Bayern or Lyon but they would still go out against them and struggle more against smaller sides...

preposterous lists, as always

the likes of Inter, Arsenal, Real...

are WAY, WAY, WAY outside the top 10 in Europe

Inter and REal are not even in the top UEFA Cup bracket

if they manage to stay afloat in their own league , it says a lot about their league as well as their inability to cope with INTERNATIONAL football

which surely

should be a MAJOR consideration for a TOP 10 in EUROPE list

Antarion wrote:

kas wrote:The top 6 would be the English Big 4, Barcelona, and Inter.

What i can't understand is why everyone rates Inter so high (sorry bluenine). They have done shit all in europe. Yes they are quiet good domestically but thats it.

Maybe they wouldn't lose 4-0 or 5-2 in Barca like Bayern or Lyon but they would still go out against them and struggle more against smaller sides...

Getting Man Utd in the last 16 was a bit of an unlucky draw though. They could easily have drawn someone else and could be sitting in Porto's position right now.

When you look at their personnel, they're clearly a top class squad.

Tweedle wrote:@ Kas

Fenerbache and Celtic might both have a decent shout at a top 30, although I'm not sure...

Fenerbahce have been poor this season - Guiza hasn't scored enough goals and Aragones is still adapting. I did consider a Turkish representative, but Galatasary haven't been that great this year either.

Celtic? No chance

72-76-80-96-08 wrote:preposterous lists, as always

the likes of Inter, Arsenal, Real...

2006 - Champions League Final
2007 - Last 16
2008 - Last 8
2009 - Last 8

Looks like a 'top ten' team to me.

kas wrote:

Tweedle wrote:@ Kas

Fenerbache and Celtic might both have a decent shout at a top 30, although I'm not sure...

Fenerbahce have been poor this season - Guiza hasn't scored enough goals and Aragones is still adapting. I did consider a Turkish representative, but Galatasary haven't been that great this year either.

Celtic? No chance

Yeh, not really sure why I suggested Celtic.
If they were moved to the EPL for next season I reckon they wouldn't even finish in the top ten. Seriously as well.

Cirque du Barcelona wrote:

L-r d wrote:

Cirque du Barcelona wrote:

L-r d wrote:

Rosicky wrote:

L-r d wrote:

Rosicky wrote:Barcelona = 1

Anyone who disagrees is wrong

What did they win last two years again? oh thats right nothing.

tweedle says currently.

Currently what? Currently what shitty la liga team they beat 3-0 at home? Our reserves would whooped bayern as well! and lyon are on course to not win their first title in 5 years!

Currently smurrently Barca need to beat a team who can defend i don't think they can do it.

Your first team draw Porto at OT. And I don't think Porto are stronger then Bayern.

1. Barca
2. Liverpool
3. Man United
4. Chelsea
5. Arsenal
6. Villareal
7. Porto
8. Bayern
9. Inter
10. Real

I should have said much stronger. They are about the same. I've put Porto in front because they might still qualify. If Porto would have played Barca and Bayern played United things might have been different.

Bayern are horrible mate.

Tweedle wrote:

72-76-80-96-08 wrote:preposterous lists, as always

the likes of Inter, Arsenal, Real...

2006 - Champions League Final
2007 - Last 16
2008 - Last 8
2009 - Last 8

Looks like a 'top ten' team to me.

has a lot to do with SEEDINGS and LUCK of the DRAW

one mistake of the ref and a team does not make the next round

suddenly a Top 8 team becomes a Top 16 team

don't read too much into it

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as for Inter

they are SHITE in Europe but lead their table

ie, they are the Italian Wolfsburg

NOT MORE

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Bayern: DESPITE Klinsi's antics, they had THE BEST CL RECORD UNTIL the QF stage

they beat Sporting 12:1 on aggregrate for Godsake

in the Bundesliga they are trailing by merely 3 points and are likely to win it in the end

they should EASILY be in the TOP 5 in Europe

EASILY



now imagine where they would be with Hitzfeld in charge

i would LOVE to see Blottos top 10...

Who was in charge when Zenit whooped Bayern 4-0?

Bayern are nowhere near being considered one of the top five teams in Europe.

Its no surprise that EVERYONE wanted to draw them in the quarter finals.

Bayern need to beat a top European team before they can be taken seriously and I honestly can't remember the last 'top European side' that Bayern beat

Most probably Inter or Real in 06/07 but then neither of them 2 have been great in Europe anyway.

Arsenal 04/05? They havn't been brilliant in Europe either.

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:Most probably Inter or Real in 06/07 but then neither of them 2 have been great in Europe anyway.

Arsenal 04/05? They havn't been brilliant in Europe either.

Well blotto cant use those as examples of beating top teams...as on the other page, he said:

preposterous lists, as always

the likes of Inter, Arsenal, Real...

are WAY, WAY, WAY outside the top 10 in Europe

No doubt sporting are now a top 10 european team

the top 10 should look like this

1. Bayern (WITHOUT Klinsi)
2. Barca
3. ManU
4. Bayern (WITH Klinsi)
5. Liverpool
6. Porto
7. Chelsea
8. HSV
9. Villareal
10. Aalborg

72-76-80-96-08 wrote:the top 10 should look like this

1. Bayern (WITHOUT Klinsi)
2. Barca
3. ManU
4. Bayern (WITH Klinsi)
5. Liverpool
6. Porto
7. Chelsea
8. HSV
9. Villareal
10. Aalborg

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Brilliant. Bayern with Klinsi ahead of Liverpool? Get real!

And HSV higher than us? That's classic! What exactly have they done to deserve a top 10 position?

Rosicky wrote:

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:Most probably Inter or Real in 06/07 but then neither of them 2 have been great in Europe anyway.

Arsenal 04/05? They havn't been brilliant in Europe either.

Well blotto cant use those as examples of beating top teams...as on the other page, he said:

preposterous lists, as always

the likes of Inter, Arsenal, Real...

are WAY, WAY, WAY outside the top 10 in Europe

No doubt sporting are now a top 10 european team

Good one!

The truth is Bayern really havn't done anything significant in the CL since they won it 8 years ago.

L-r d wrote:Bayern are horrible mate.

In a good night they can beat any team in Europe. And they did beat Sporting 12-0 over 2 games.

Despite Klinsmann, we're actually very good when we have the full first team available. We struggle when key players are out because our bench isn't nearly deep enough. (See first Barca game.)

Not saying we're the best in Europe, but we can compete. Just not without the likes of Lucio, Lahm and Klose.

Cirque du Barcelona wrote:

L-r d wrote:Bayern are horrible mate.

In a good night they can beat any team in Europe. And they did beat Sporting 12-0 over 2 games.

So what? They beat Sporting end of story. The scoreline is irrelevent bullying a lesser team and getting whooped by another is not impressive to me. Was a good victory of course but it's not a huge win because of the scoreline. They lost 5-1 4-0 and last year 4-0 to zenit as well. Why use beatign sporting twice as some sort of anything?

IMO Bayern are really nothing special or to worry about. They couldn't beat any team in europe like you say, even at home they'd struggle to do that IMO. They have some good players but it just doesn't function correctly from results i have seen.

Lrd you don't half talk a lot of tosh.

Calidad wrote:Lrd you don't half talk a lot of tosh.

Where as Gone hasnt? It was 12-1.

Bayern arnt a top team, and wont be again until they beat some big teams. Sporting were the weakest team in the last 16.

They might not even make the CL for 2nd time in 3 years. Hardly something to be shouting from the rooftops about.

Calidad wrote:Lrd you don't half talk a lot of tosh.

Why did you dissapear after Argentina got whooped? Who have Bayern beat that are a good team recently or in ages? How am i wrong?

But at least we we were the best team after group stage in an not so easy group, winning in lyon too. After going on with an impressive win against the weakest remeining opponent (i give you that, it was still a beating) only to go out against probably the best side atm and with one horrendous game and missing the whole defense.

Think that is still a better performance than most non-english teams got this season in europe, and that was the point of this thread (and not that we played poor in uefa cup last season most of the time)

And which nonenglish team knocked out an english one in recent time? So no team outside big 4 is impressive atm? Maybe that still makes most top 10 lists ridiculous here

Liverpool
Barcelona
Chelsea
Manchester United
Arsenal
Real Madridl
Internazionale
AC Milan
Bayern
Lyon


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We beat Real Madrid when we sucked, i.e. pre-Ribery, when van Bommel(!) was our leader.

Since we had this major squad overhaul only last season, I don't think we should really go farther back to answer your question. This year, the first in the CL with this team, we played Fiorentina, Lyon, Steaua, Sporting and Barca.

We beat all of them but Barca (who we lost to when we were missing absolute key players). That's not bad at all and I won't apologize for drawing Sporting either.

Antarion wrote:But at least we we were the best team after group stage in an not so easy group, winning in lyon too. After going on with an impressive win against the weakest remeining opponent (i give you that, it was still a beating) only to go out against probably the best side atm and with one horrendous game and missing the whole defense.

Think that is still a better performance than most non-english teams got this season in europe, and that was the point of this thread (and not that we played poor in uefa cup last season most of the time)

And which nonenglish team knocked out an english one in recent time? So no team outside big 4 is impressive atm?

The group was easy. Fiorentina are hardly a top team they are barely the 4th best in Seria A well infact they are not. Steaua are what 8th in their league? and Lyon is the weakest they have been for 5 years. So the away win there was an impressive result but the group was not difficult but true couldn't have done any more asked.

But Barca was the only reason decent team and in Spain it was 4-0 in the first half. In Bayern even a demotivated Barca were not beaten. I just don't see how a team who are struggling in their own domestic league which is not the strongest is one of the top teams in europe, especially when they haven't done shit in europe in a long time.