UEFA EURO U21 Championships

of course not, perhaps I could have elaborated better. Blutto is clearly German, and so can't help such behaviour. You, however, have no such excuses and have consistently proven yourself to be not just a nuscience, but a vile and loathsome individual. I know you don't mean to be, but you really are scum.

Well you know if kimbo was like blut he'd never post here again. So i was more stressing that point.

Was Walcott gash again?

if so, i'm happy

Wallcott did very little. Well done Germany for believing in themselves. England came out and played like the old sven national team players full of caution and so much respect for the opposition.

I know this has turned into a Germany v England thread but on a serious note, I would be more worried that the German youth have strengths where their senior team have weaknesses. A strong defence and some genuine creativity in midfield. In contrast we still have no genuine left midfielder (unless Adam Johnson comes on leaps and bounds) and no target man CF beyond Heskey. Hvaing said that I would really like to see Milner in the senior team. He is different to Lennon/Walcott (who gets worse every time I see him) and would be a more genuine alternative than an identikit pacy winger.

Surprised to see England in the final and well done to them for getting there. But is there any exciting talents?

I have to wonder what it is England is doing wrong in terms of raising talents. Im sure having the league filled with so many foreigners might not help but surely there is more do it. I know that England tried to copy France's model with the Clairefontaine but they didn't keep up.
I know Germany were also in a situation around 2000 where they like the EPL now had a overflood of foreigners and it was then they changed their youth system and it is paying now I suppose.

Khadrim wrote:I know this has turned into a Germany v England thread but on a serious note, I would be more worried that the German youth have strengths where their senior team have weaknesses. A strong defence and some genuine creativity in midfield. In contrast we still have no genuine left midfielder (unless Adam Johnson comes on leaps and bounds) and no target man CF beyond Heskey. Hvaing said that I would really like to see Milner in the senior team. He is different to Lennon/Walcott (who gets worse every time I see him) and would be a more genuine alternative than an identikit pacy winger.

apart from the goalkeeper, and possibly Richards, I really can't see any of this shower becoming full regulars. I hope not anyway. Might be a bit harsh on Rose, Gibbs and Rodwell, but fuck it.

Any ideas why the likes of Carson, Lennon, Welbeck, Michael Johnson, James Vaughan, Cahill, Young weren't involved? Some of the Jarman players were well into their mid 20's.

Milner gives everything and has lots of heart even though his crossing is not on target your right he brings something different compared to Lennon/and Walcott

Super Real Ronaldo wrote:Surprised to see England in the final and well done to them for getting there. But is there any exciting talents?

I have to wonder what it is England is doing wrong in terms of raising talents. Im sure having the league country filled with so many foreigners might not help but surely there is more do it. I know that England tried to copy France's model with the Clairefontaine but they didn't keep up.
I know Germany were also in a situation around 2000 where they like the EPL now had a overflood of foreigners and it was then they changed their youth system and it is paying now I suppose.

The best and most creative players in England are on the streets getting into trouble daily....Bundles of talent but not willing to graft for want they want.

Super Real Ronaldo wrote:Surprised to see England in the final and well done to them for getting there. But is there any exciting talents?

I have to wonder what it is England is doing wrong in terms of raising talents. Im sure having the league filled with so many foreigners might not help but surely there is more do it. I know that England tried to copy France's model with the Clairefontaine but they didn't keep up.
I know Germany were also in a situation around 2000 where they like the EPL now had a overflood of foreigners and it was then they changed their youth system and it is paying now I suppose.

I think that's unfair to England to be honest. Let us not forget that some of their strikers were banned for the match today. England did play a good tournament, and looked much more dangerous than the overhyped Spanish team, for example, who were seen as favourites even prior to this tournament. The English U21 had been unbeaten in a competitive match for years prior to today, and they actually had some really good performances in the qualification also.

And it's not true that none of their players were interesting. Milner was amongst the best and most consistent players in the tournament, Johnson looked pretty talented, too. That's just two examples from the top of my head, there are more, of course.

It's the truth Glenn. England were a better and more dangerous team than Spain, which were hyped as clear favourites prior to the tournament. Laugh all you want, but that's a simple fact.

I will laugh all I want. But if you notice, we posted at the same time, my chuckles were aimed at a previous post.

Typical German paranoia

What's funny about the statement?

Gibbs at Left back was another player that looks good. Plus the two Center backs that played against Spain played okay forget who they were. Richards at CB is not dependable

I don't think that the "no skillfull players" argument holds any water. England did have more possession than Germany today, and while it is true that they didn't know what to do with it, how to use it effectively, they almost never hoofed it, a clear difference to England of the old.

England did lack a creative midfielder, someone who could play through balls, but as far as the skills were concerned, they looked pretty good in my book. So IMHO, brains (vision) were the problem, not skills. And excellent defending by the Germans may have had something to do with it also.

Comparing England today to Germany in 2000 is nonsense. Not only is their senior national team in much better shape than ours back then, their youth teams are actually doing pretty well for years also. It's a completely different situation.

FFS! crushed to the tune of 0-4. It's clearly NERVES the problem with English players. Your players just melt when it's time to step up to the plate. No wonder they all talk about "PSG" "PSV" "MSG" or whatever the fuck you call what them players can't muster when it's time for the real show. That's just trying to hide the fact that they, in reality are peeing their pants, knees buckling, trembling from the pressure. It happens all the fucking time FFS!

And, to save face everything's to blame, but the coach and players. Oh "it was hot", "it was cold", "the pitch was too hard on our feet", "the pitch was too soft and gave in, that's why I miss my penalty", "If such and such had played we would've won"

PGD! I agree about the nerves though Puro. It is frustrating for supporters. I think England would have to be far far superior to the oppisition to actually win something.

blutgraetsche wrote:I don't think that the "no skillfull players" argument holds any water. England did have more possession than Germany today, and while it is true that they didn't know what to do with it, how to use it effectively, they almost never hoofed it, a clear difference to England of the old.

England did lack a creative midfielder, someone who could play through balls, but as far as the skills were concerned, they looked pretty good in my book. So IMHO, brains (vision) were the problem, not skills. And excellent defending by the Germans may have had something to do with it also.

Comparing England today to Germany in 2000 is nonsense. Not only is their senior national team in much better shape than ours back then, their youth teams are actually doing pretty well for years also. It's a completely different situation.

England could've played until the season starts again and you still would've kept the shutout! Pearce is no manager FFS! wasn't he the one coaching Citeh when they couldn't score for shite?

Inner confidence, self belief yes that is a major part of it.

L-r d wrote:PGD! I agree about the nerves though Puro. It is frustrating for supporters. I think England would have to be far far superior to the oppisition to actually win something.

Ah "PGD" thanks LRD!

Honestly, I thought this team had a decent chance against the Germans, and to win an international trophy. That fucking experience them Germans have goes a long ways. It clearly showed again.

Did you watch the England - Spain match in the group stages Puro?

I don't know about Pearce's tactical nous, guess he was surprised to see us play with a lone striker up front today, and had no plan B, at least I didn't see any "inspired" changes in the later stages of the game. But hell, they even won a penalty shootout for God's sake. Cut the old man some slack.

Against Spain he played with ten different players.

That was against us I think Brian, the last group match, when England were already qualified for the semis.

Edit:

Yep, starting lineup of the Spain match (second group match):

* 1 Joe Hart
* 2 Martin Cranie
* 4 Lee Cattermole
* 6 Nedum Onuoha
* 7 James Milner
* 9 Gabriel Agbonlahor
* 10 Mark Noble
* 11 Adam Johnson
* 12 Fabrice Muamba
* 17 Micah Richards
* 19 Kieran Gibbs

blutgraetsche wrote:Did you watch the England - Spain match in the group stages Puro?

I don't know about Pearce's tactical nous, guess he was surprised to see us play with a lone striker up front today, and had no plan B, at least I didn't see any "inspired" changes in the later stages of the game. But hell, they even won a penalty shootout for God's sake. Cut the old man some slack.

No, parts of today's match was the only one I watched the entire tournament. Spain have historically sucked at this level though.

I guess you're right, they did win a penalty shootout so a step at a time is good enough. Although he really really sucked at Citeh. Probably something to consider in the long run for England's cause. Can he take England all the way? Is he the right guy at the helm? will be the questions for the decision makers to answer.

blutgraetsche wrote:That was against us I think Brian, the last group match, when England were already qualified for the semis.

Thats correct. I felt Pearce was lost what to do up front with the team loses They only got one ball through to Wallcott from the middle shows they lack a creative mid player like you mentioned.

@Puro

If Pearce learns under Capello? I don't know to be honest. But it is true, there really is a lack of quality English managers, not just on the international level.

the deciding factor yesterday was that germany could play full to their strengths...a defensive game...and waiting for the odd chance...which they did very well..

england due to losing their entire attack couldnt play to their strengths but still tried..foolish maybe...who knows..if england had of taken their chances they still could have won..

blutgraetsche wrote:

Super Real Ronaldo wrote:Surprised to see England in the final and well done to them for getting there. But is there any exciting talents?

I have to wonder what it is England is doing wrong in terms of raising talents. Im sure having the league filled with so many foreigners might not help but surely there is more do it. I know that England tried to copy France's model with the Clairefontaine but they didn't keep up.
I know Germany were also in a situation around 2000 where they like the EPL now had a overflood of foreigners and it was then they changed their youth system and it is paying now I suppose.

I think that's unfair to England to be honest. Let us not forget that some of their strikers were banned for the match today. England did play a good tournament, and looked much more dangerous than the overhyped Spanish team, for example, who were seen as favourites even prior to this tournament. The English U21 had been unbeaten in a competitive match for years prior to today, and they actually had some really good performances in the qualification also.

And it's not true that none of their players were interesting. Milner was amongst the best and most consistent players in the tournament, Johnson looked pretty talented, too. That's just two examples from the top of my head, there are more, of course.

Hyped by whom.