Is Michael Owen World Class?

Khadrim wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

Conspiracy Theorist wrote:

Kimbo wrote:
Michael Owen was a better player than Viduka!

That was precisely my reasoning Pot. Good to see we finally agree on something

I don't understand what he was better at, he was faster, I struggle to think of anything else.

Scoring goals.

Scored against Brazil and Argentina.

Turned a FA cup final by himself.

Regardless of what he has become now he was at one point up there as one of the world's best.

What do you mean scoring goals? Viduka has a great goalscoring record.

Viduka's technique and skill are in another stratosphere to Owens, he can create his own chances and he did it often
Viduka can hold up the ball and has better awareness when it comes to getting others involved
Viduka is not a coward
Viduka is better in the air

Imagine if Viduka was English, how much hype do you think he would've received?

For me Owen isn't close.

Kimbo wrote:

For me Owen isn't close.

This is why you asked other people what they thought Kimmy. So they could tell you what they thought


Remind us again how many Balon D'Ors Viduka won or how many he came close to winning

Cheers

Viduka is one of the few players who was injured more often than Owen. Also one of the few players who cared less about the team than Owen.

Other than that I wouldn't say there was a lot between them, but they are different strikers, would have worked well together at Newcastle had they ever been fit at the same time.

Conspiracy Theorist wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

For me Owen isn't close.

This is why you asked other people what they thought Kimmy. So they could tell you what they thought


Remind us again how many Balon D'Ors Viduka won or how many he came close to winning

Cheers

How many have Gerrard and Torres won? Is Owen better than them? Cannavaro has one, Stam does, is Cannavaro better?

Kimbo wrote:

Conspiracy Theorist wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

For me Owen isn't close.

This is why you asked other people what they thought Kimmy. So they could tell you what they thought


Remind us again how many Balon D'Ors Viduka won or how many he came close to winning

Cheers

How many have Gerrard and Torres won? Is Owen better than them? Cannavaro has one, Stam does, is Cannavaro better?

I think you are missing the point Kimmy. He won it because he was once an exceptional player so your apparent shock that other people think that he was more useful than Viduka or JFH is rather strange.

Oh and yes cannavaro at his peak was a better player than Stam

Anyway here are Owen's goal stats for you

1996–2004 Liverpool 216 (118)
2004–2005 Real Madrid 35 (13)
2005–2009 Newcastle United 71 (26)


Here are Viduka's

2000–2004 Leeds United 130 (59)
2004–2007 Middlesborough 72 (26)
2007–2009 Newcastle 38 (7)

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Stimulus Package wrote:The White Ronaldo. How ironic.

Whos the black Ronaldo?

Ronaldo

Conspiracy Theorist wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

Conspiracy Theorist wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

For me Owen isn't close.

This is why you asked other people what they thought Kimmy. So they could tell you what they thought


Remind us again how many Balon D'Ors Viduka won or how many he came close to winning

Cheers

How many have Gerrard and Torres won? Is Owen better than them? Cannavaro has one, Stam does, is Cannavaro better?

I think you are missing the point Kimmy. He won it because he was once an exceptional player so your apparent shock that other people think that he was more useful than Viduka or JFH is rather strange.

Oh and yes cannavaro at his peak was a better player than Stam

Anyway here are Owen's goal stats for you

1996–2004 Liverpool 216 (118)
2004–2005 Real Madrid 35 (13)
2005–2009 Newcastle United 71 (26)


Here are Viduka's

2000–2004 Leeds United 130 (59)
2004–2007 Middlesborough 72 (26)
2007–2009 Newcastle 38 (7)

Exactly, Viduka has a great record AND he is useful when it comes to team play. That's exactly why he wins.

And no Cannavaro was not better than Stam.

You're always WRONG coater, why are you always wrong? It's getting ridiculous.

World Class?

Kimbo wrote:

Exactly, Viduka has a great record AND he is useful when it comes to team play. That's exactly why he wins.

And no Cannavaro was not better than Stam.

You're always WRONG coater, why are you always wrong? It's getting ridiculous.

I can't help your reaction to what happened to you the other day Kimmy

You should learn to take it better when things don't go your way

I'm wondering is there a reason you always seem to be arguing these things on your own

TM wrote:World Class?

This obviously isn't a serious thread.

Conspiracy Theorist wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

Exactly, Viduka has a great record AND he is useful when it comes to team play. That's exactly why he wins.

And no Cannavaro was not better than Stam.

You're always WRONG coater, why are you always wrong? It's getting ridiculous.

I can't help your reaction to what happened to you the other day Kimmy

You should learn to take it better when things don't go your way

I'm wondering is there a reason you always seem to be arguing these things on your own

I believe things went "my way" big time today, did they not?

Kimbo wrote:

I believe things went "my way" big time today, did they not?

If you say so, Kimmy, if you say so

You appear to be extraordinarily deluded these days, however it makes things much more fun for the rest of us

Conspiracy Theorist wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

I believe things went "my way" big time today, did they not?

If you say so, Kimmy, if you say so

You appear to be extraordinarily deluded these days, however it makes things much more fun for the rest of us

Conspiracy Theorist wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

I believe things went "my way" big time today, did they not?

If you say so, Kimmy, if you say so

You appear to be extraordinarily deluded these days, however it makes things much more fun for the rest of us

Even a blind dead horse would see that the Murray debate was won by me today. Just lie down and take it like a man coater.

Kimbo wrote:

Conspiracy Theorist wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

I believe things went "my way" big time today, did they not?

If you say so, Kimmy, if you say so

You appear to be extraordinarily deluded these days, however it makes things much more fun for the rest of us

Even a blind dead horse would see that the Murray debate was won by me today. Just lie down and take it like a man coater.

What did you win exactly ?

For someone who said this

He can't play on grass, and is only decent of hard courts.

Im not sure how you won

Kimbo wrote:

Even a blind dead horse would see that the Murray debate was won by me today. Just lie down and take it like a man coater.

Ohhh look at you Kimmy

You predicted that Federer would win like the rest of the world did


You also predicted that Murray would not be a top 5 player

He could not play on Grass

He was not better than Henman


Etc etc etc etc


The good thing is it's there for us all to see Pot



As I said, extraordinarily deluded

Murray proved he wasn't up to the task, he was outclassed, by ANDY..... RODDICK!!!

Murray is a good player, but he doesn't have that extra gear you need for the grandslams.

This has been my main point all along.

Ah yes, i forgot the Murray - Henman debates. It really is embarrassing how Kimbo is right so often.

Kimbo wrote:Murray proved he wasn't up to the task, he was outclassed, by ANDY..... RODDICK!!!

Murray is a good player, but he doesn't have that extra gear you need for the grandslams.

This has been my main point all along.

We saw your main points Kimmy. I posted them all for everyone to see


Outclassed


Yet again, extraordinarily deluded.

Kimbo wrote:Murray proved he wasn't up to the task, he was outclassed, by ANDY..... RODDICK!!!

Murray is a good player, but he doesn't have that extra gear you need for the grandslams.

This has been my main point all along.

The guy in your avatar was beaten by Henman at a similarish age to Murray are you certain with your theory

Hlebagone wrote:Ah yes, i forgot the Murray - Henman debates. It really is embarrassing how Kimbo is right so often.

There were no Henman/Murray debates.

Conspiracy Theorist wrote:

Kimbo wrote:Murray proved he wasn't up to the task, he was outclassed, by ANDY..... RODDICK!!!

Murray is a good player, but he doesn't have that extra gear you need for the grandslams.

This has been my main point all along.

We saw your main points Kimmy. I posted them all for everyone to see


Outclassed


Yet again, extraordinarily deluded.

Did you miss my reply to that totally squashing your post? You must have.

Kimbo wrote:

Did you miss my reply to that totally squashing your post? You must have.

The best one yet


How many more times are you going to allow me to say extraordinarily deluded.


Are you trying to rip the piss here Kimmy ? All logic is against you

You people will never learn. I look forward to the US Open, i expect groundhog day, same old bullshit, and same old results.

Stam > Cannavaro



Owen was world class - he has played 4 games for England in the KO phases of tournaments, scored a goal in all of them and converted a pen in 2 of the shootouts that followed.

He was a great finisher.


However, the game moved on and he can't.

How many out and out strikers are there playing for top clubs who are 5ft 8 and piss weak ?

He can't play with his back to goal and its not like he can play off the front man because he doesn't have the skill or creativity.

If he plays nd he doesn't score you have played a man down for 90 mins.

He is the ideal replacement for ronaldo though - not particularly talented, will score lots v the shit teams and provides nothing apart from tap ins.

Pierre Littbarski wrote:He is the ideal replacement for ronaldo though - not particularly talented, will score lots v the shit teams and provides nothing apart from tap ins.

Won't be a help in the CL that's for sure.

Never has been