Have Juve caught up with Inter??

Lets take a closer look at current expected starting XIs, & the bench strength:

Starting XIs:

I think they are evenly matched. Inter have a better defence, and attacking fullbacks. Juve have a more creative midfield-attack. Otherwise, there is not much difference here.

Bench Strength (who are likely to stay):

Inter: Toldo, Zanetti, Cordoba, Materazzi, Maxwell, Burdisso, Muntari, Balotelli, New Midfielder, New CB, New Striker
Juventus: Manninger, Legrotaglie, Molinaro, C Zanetti, Marchisio, Salihamidzic, Camoranesi, Giovinco, Trezeguat, New FB

Yup, I think Juve have the bench strength to match Inter all season. If they get a decent fullback, they should be ready. Even if Inter buy decent players for the 3 positions (instead of stcking with Mancini, Rivas, & Suazo), I think this Juve can push us all the way and start as equal favourites, player on player.

The key difference IMO will be Ciro vs Mou, thats what is in our favour. Unless Ciro does a Pep.

What do you guys think??

For me Juve's lineup definitely looks more exciting than Inter. Is that definitely the formation they will play?

Is Quaresma really going to be starting for Inter, after his success at Chelsea?

Juve look like they have a strong team, Sissoko aside, but Inter is well-established, with Juve looking to integrate several new players in CD/CM.
Might be a year too soon for them to challenge.

lol quasesma

will he make this year a step up or will he end as the most useless player ever?


cannavaro: dont think this guy is a step up for juve


inters midfield is a weakpoint, stankovic and quaresma really not good enough to competete with other clubs in europe, but maybe good enough for serie a to win it

i think juve will have a big boost by diego, this line up looks great, dont know how good the fullbacks are!

debaser wrote:Is Quaresma really going to be starting for Inter, after his success at Chelsea?

Juve look like they have a strong team, Sissoko aside, but Inter is well-established, with Juve looking to integrate several new players in CD/CM.
Might be a year too soon for them to challenge.

The "new midfielder" that I mentioned Inter are looking for will be to take Quaresma's position. But looks like Mou will give Quaresma another shot, unless Inter recieve a good offer for him (which is unlikely).

Sissoko, well, Juve are well covered in that position with Marchisio and Zanetti. So if Sissoko's form dips, there should be no probs. Melo & Cannavaro will blend right in, the only integration Juve need to do is Diego. And that will define how well they do next season.

Özil wrote:lol quasesma

will he make this year a step up or will he end as the most useless player ever?


cannavaro: dont think this guy is a step up for juve

As compared to Legrotaglie??? Are you serious??? Even at this age, Cannavaro is a quantum leap from Legro.

Cannavaro is and always been an International player, plays well for the national team but is terrible for his club.

bluenine wrote:

debaser wrote:Is Quaresma really going to be starting for Inter, after his success at Chelsea?

Juve look like they have a strong team, Sissoko aside, but Inter is well-established, with Juve looking to integrate several new players in CD/CM.
Might be a year too soon for them to challenge.

The "new midfielder" that I mentioned Inter are looking for will be to take Quaresma's position. But looks like Mou will give Quaresma another shot, unless Inter recieve a good offer for him (which is unlikely).

Sissoko, well, Juve are well covered in that position with Marchisio and Zanetti. So if Sissoko's form dips, there should be no probs. Melo & Cannavaro will blend right in, the only integration Juve need to do is Diego. And that will define how well they do next season.

Ya, I guess they haven't changed too much. Just struck me that their 3 CM players consisted of 2 new signings + Sissoko - who's not that experienced himself - which is fine if new signings fit in straight off, but could cost points early on if they don't.

what about this tiny small guy, i know him from the u21 tournament

will he have a chance as starter?

Giovinco!!!!

He's awesome he should be ahead of Diego and even Delps.

TM wrote:Cannavaro is and always been an International player, plays well for the national team but is terrible for his club.

???
Where do you pull this from?
He had bad spells at Inter and Real (and you have to weight in fitness issues for the former, and age and league change for the latter). Apart from that he always consistently performed at the very same level for the club and the nt.

Anyway he's 36 and he's mostly past it. He's only an improvement for Juve thanks to the guy he's replacing, as Bluenine notes.

RB is a big glaring weakness, should go all out for either Ivanovic or Zapata, someone who can play RB and CB if needed.

On the other hand an attacking RB would be even a better idea, someone like Rafinha, De Silvestri perhaps.

TM wrote:Giovinco!!!!

He's awesome he should be ahead of Diego and even Delps.

Pfff, you can't compare Giovinvo with Diego. Giovinco isn't fit to hold a candle to Diego.

With Diego Juve haven't just caught up with Inter, they have the clearly better first eleven now imo.

Signing Diego for so little money was Secco's masterpiece.

chrissicross wrote:
Signing Diego for so little money was Secco's masterpiece.

...and Allof's second biggest mistake. Still can't believe that we sold him so cheap to stingy Juve. Hope we will never make business with them again.

Giovinco still has a lot of time to develop.

Diego is amazing and it's amazing there wasn't more interest in him

blutgraetsche wrote:

chrissicross wrote:
Signing Diego for so little money was Secco's masterpiece.

...and Allof's second biggest mistake. Still can't believe that we sold him so cheap to stingy Juve. Hope we will never make business with them again.

Yeah, never do business with the Mafia. But they're much smarter than the bunch of idiots at Real, give the devil his due.

chrissicross wrote:

blutgraetsche wrote:

chrissicross wrote:
Signing Diego for so little money was Secco's masterpiece.

...and Allof's second biggest mistake. Still can't believe that we sold him so cheap to stingy Juve. Hope we will never make business with them again.

Yeah, never do business with the Mafia. But they're much smarter than the bunch of idiots at Real, give the devil his due.

€25m for Diego? I think Bremen did quite well tbh, esp with it rising to €30m on bonuses. It will be interesting to see how quickly Diego adapts to Serie A, I still think he would have been better off going to the La Liga, the leauge suited him more

€25m for him is a joke, if you consider what has been paid for other, less talented players this summer, and might still be paid.

And he'll do just fine in the Serie A. I think the slower tempo there might even suit him more, because he tends to hold on the ball / dribble a lot, although he improved considerably in that area during his time in Bremen. And having played in a more physical league did help his defensive skills, too. He is now a considerably better and more complete player than he was when he joined us.

The other day I was reading on a Juve message board, and the Juve fans on there were already thinking of what to do with the 100m Euro for which they think Real will buy Diego in three or four years.

blutgraetsche wrote:€25m for him is a joke, if you consider what has been paid for other, less talented players this summer, and might still be paid.

And he'll do just fine in the Serie A. I think the slower tempo there might even suit him more, because he tends to hold on the ball / dribble a lot, although he improved considerably in that area during his time in Bremen. And having played in a more physical league did help his defensive skills, too. He is now a considerably better and more complete player than he was when he joined us.

Blut you know I'm a big fan of Diego but you were never going to get €40m.

I remember your President telling RM that we would settle for nothing less than €50m a couple of years ago, so in that regard you have every right to be dissapointed!

Considering the inflated prices these days, €35-40m would have been acceptable. At least.

And even if you are right and we would have never gotten €40m for him (strongly disagree, because if he wanted to play for the ManCity's of this world, and his father wasn't such a c**t, we would have gotten that sum easily), I think we should have kept him, instead of selling him so cheap, even for a club like us that is not exactly loaded with cash.

The deal was awful, we won't even get the full sum this year, because those stingy fuckers will pay it over three years. If we didn't like him as a person so much, and if his cuntish father didn't exist, I really don't think that Allofs would have ever accepted such a deal.

Awful business, hope that will never happen again.

blutgraetsche wrote:Considering the inflated prices these days, €35-40m would have been acceptable. At least.

And even if you are right and we would have never gotten €40m for him (strongly disagree, because if he wanted to play for the ManCity's of this world, and his father wasn't such a c**t, we would have gotten that sum easily), I think we should have kept him, instead of selling him so cheap, even for a club like us that is not exactly loaded with cash.

The deal was awful, we won't even get the full sum this year, because those stingy fuckers will pay it over three years. If we didn't like him as a person so much, and if his cuntish father didn't exist, I really don't think that Allofs would have ever accepted such a deal.

Awful business, hope that will never happen again.

If you are thinking of the Kaka and Ronaldo transfers I think it is very much marketable reasons that is behind the inflation at least when Real Madrid is concerned. 30-40M is around the right price and if I could have chosen I would have picked Diego over Kaka and especially over Ronaldo but those guys also bring in the dough and sadly Diego doesn't at the moment.

Over 3 years it does seem like a bad deal. How much did they offer upfront?

TM wrote:Blut you know I'm a big fan of Diego but you were never going to get €40m.

Look, TM, you will soon enough regret that your club didn't buy him for 40m Euro. But don`t worry, you won`t be alone then.

TM wrote:I remember your President telling RM that we would settle for nothing less than €50m a couple of years ago, so in that regard you have every right to be dissapointed!

50m Euro would have been a fair price for Diego indeed.

@ Chrissi

I wanted us to buy Diego two summers ago, just ask Blut

I think they split the sum over three years, 8 point something millions each year plus bonuses.

Shit deal.

P.S.: As much as I would have hated to see him wearing a Bayern shirt, they would have likely paid €30m+ straight. You can say a lot about them, but they actually do behave like a "big club", and pay adequately and on time.

Super De La Red wrote:... but those guys also bring in the dough and sadly Diego doesn't at the moment.

But how long do you think it would take to change that? One maybe two years? Diego is a much more likeable guy than Crynaldo or Jesus Kaka or the little Bavarian Fronkenstein...

Jesus Kaka is wonderful

chrissicross wrote:

Super De La Red wrote:... but those guys also bring in the dough and sadly Diego doesn't at the moment.

But how long do you think it would take to change that? One maybe two years? Diego is a much more likeable guy than Crynaldo or Jesus Kaka or the little Bavarian Fronkenstein...

I don't know but it would take more then a year or two which is exactly the point. He doesn't have that value just yet but he might in the future. You also have to remember that part of the whole marketable scheme is in buying them when they are the highest so the transfer itself also becomes a big event which can made money off. That can't be done if he becomes a star at the club through the years. Not saying that I agree with this method, which I don't, but I understand it.