Brown and Rio are the most terrible defenders in the world!!

i would put Lucio their has well,he is so underrated.

Parks Lives wrote:

Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:Rio Ferdinand is not the worst defender in the world but he is definitely mediocre. Seriously...why is this guy rated so highly?

I have seen so many games with Rio and have been stunned at how inept he is.

Like the last two World cups.

Like the Milan game at Old Trafford where he completely outclassed Nesta.

Last world cup! Rio was also abysmal! He made blunder after blunder.... What is good about that????

Okay, he was less worse than Terry at the World Cup but it was almost impossible to play as bad as Terry-!

He made blunders at the world cup ,
I must be watching a diffrent world cup b/c I thought he was gr8(the only Englishmen to shine).

Watch Ecuador again! He was constantly too late with his defensive things! He was very poor that game! Also against T&T he missed a lot of headers from a bunch of Amateurs....

Haven't watched Sweden so I can't judge him on that game...

You call that good...? Maybe I want to see players act at another standard than you, a more professional level....

while you think amateur level is well enough for England....

ricardojol wrote:It is now Official...!!!!! Rio lose every ball from Vennegoor!, he made a terrible mistake with the first goal from Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink!

Well, about Brown, the biggest talent in the world, he again made a stupid foul and because of that it is 2-2!!!!!!

Man U got a nice present because Giggs dived beautifully! Saha is the only quality player in this squad! Two goals and he has is the only player with real skills!!!

Worst player so far the biggest cheater!!!! ROONEY he only dives, screems at the referee and he does something good with the ball!!!!\

Come on you Celtic!!!!! You are a fabulous club!!!!!

wasnt cannavaro REALLY bad yesterday...what a TERRIBLE defender...!!

ricardojol wrote:

Parks Lives wrote:

Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:Rio Ferdinand is not the worst defender in the world but he is definitely mediocre. Seriously...why is this guy rated so highly?

I have seen so many games with Rio and have been stunned at how inept he is.

Like the last two World cups.

Like the Milan game at Old Trafford where he completely outclassed Nesta.

Last world cup! Rio was also abysmal! He made blunder after blunder.... What is good about that????

Okay, he was less worse than Terry at the World Cup but it was almost impossible to play as bad as Terry-!

Seriously Ricardo, are you on a wind up, or just on some heavy crack?

You are literally making things up now. Rio blunder after blunder against Ecuador? Those trips to the Amsterdam Cafes are clearly affecting your memory.

Rio made a BAD mistake tonight, but watch again and you see he gets nudged- he should have been strong enough to hold of JVoH, but ultimately the blame EQUALLY lies with Van Der Saar for letting the ball through his hands!!!

AMATEUR GOALKEEPING! How you think Van Der Saar is WC is beyond me, he is TERRIBLE, the WORST IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD!!!!


Great game tonight.

@COTR:

Celtic played with a 5 man midfield, so it was no suprise they had much of the territory in midfield, but ultimately did far less with it than United: Carrick and Scholes offer a marvellous attacking threat with their passing (some of which tonight was magnificient), but certainly in Defensive terms a little lightweight. Scholes imsply cannot tackle- his only real weakness.


Should have been 5 or 6. Rooney missed a sitter, than created an excellent chance for himself and missed that too. Needs games, looks rusty.

Fair play to Alex Ferguson for fielding 8 British players too, whilst over in Hamburg Arsenal were playing with 1 - Justin Hoyte, who wont be there when Flamini gets fit...

My problem with cretins like "ricardojol" is that there is no middle ground and he is clearly a hypocrit.

From his comments he didn't even watch the England matches at the WC. He is making shit up again - as usual.

Yes Rio has poor games sometimes, but so does everyone (see Cannavaro). Overall he is a superb defender with alot of technical skill. To call him crap is ludicrous.

Owen Thomas wrote:My problem with cretins like "ricardojol" is that there is no middle ground and he is clearly a hypocrit.

From his comments he didn't even watch the England matches at the WC. He is making shit up again - as usual.

Yes Rio has poor games sometimes, but so does everyone (see Cannavaro). Overall he is a superb defender with alot of technical skill. To call him crap is ludicrous.

I wouldnt be so hard on Ricardo - he's just clever at this and knows that being controversial and outspoken is a guaranteed way of stirring up interest in his posts. Throw in the fact that he sounds like he's been smoking too much moroccan black and it only makes me want to get my ass over to Holland and join in the fun

Vd Sar indeed wasn't sharp enough! But the thing is, English always blame him for the defensive mistakes while his very poor defence is seen as World Class!

I want to get rid of this hypocrit thinking....

Rio is of course not the worst defender in the world but he is average at best, especially for a team as Man U or the England team! He makes too often mistakes defensively to be called a World Class defender!

I also know, it is much more difficult for Rio and Co to play in a squad that is more attacking than in a defensive team like Italy and Chelsea! Cannavaro had an outstanding World Cup but this had more to do with the defensive tactics of Lippi than with the skills of Cannavaro!

I think Rio fits perhaps better in a team that doesn't play very attacking like Man U but in a team where he can play with 4 men on a line, enough back up and where he is only there to stop the the forwards!!

Man U need defenders who can man mark and can defend forward! In england there are NO defenders who can man mark or defence more forwardly because English teams always play zone defence and with 4 men in the back. I hardly see a defender that can move to the midfield to support the midfield offensively and defencively. The problem with zone defence and to play with 4 defender on a line in an attacking team is, you leave too much space between the lines so defenders always come too much under pressure!

Man U have simply the wrong defenders! That's all what I want to say!

But Rio doesnt make that many mistakes as you make out. Thats the point... the difference is, like all Prem League players on these boards, especially the english ones, EVERY mistake is picked up upon whereas it is not the case with other players.

If you saw the rest of the game you would have seen how much Rio contributed to the win.

You are picking up on one mistake and not looking at the bigger picture, which is that Rio is a WC defender.

He lost every header from JVoH!!!! That's still a fact!

ricardojol wrote:He lost every header from JVoH!!!! That's still a fact!

Thats why he cleared a corner off the head of JVoH in the second half is it and saving a potential goal scoring chance? Did you seriously watch the whole game?

Ricardo.... Rio had a bad game (Have to admit I only watched the post game highlights.. as I was watching Arsenal play).

But Cannavaro had a far worse nightmare. Would you remove Cannavaro from the list of WC defenders.

I do agree with your point on Wes Brown. But Rio is a extremely capable defender. The only issue with his game is his consistency.

Last season against us at OT he was awesome. One week later he was making Cygan look like a decent defender.

I did... Have you seen it? Or did you only watch it with your Man U spectacles...????

You pick one header where he lucky got the ball on his head while JVoH was timing badly....

Every long ball was a winner for JVoH.... Also every pass from the back came into JVoH feet. I think he never got so many balls as he got last night and he never lost the ball because he had all the freedom!!!!

ricardojol wrote:I did... Have you seen it? Or did you only watch it with your Man U spectacles...????

You pick one header where he lucky got the ball on his head while JVoH was timing badly....

Every long ball was a winner for JVoH.... Als every pass from the back came into JVoH feet. I think he never got so many balls as he got last night and he nevber lost the ball because he had all the freedom!!!!

Lies, you watched highlights, admit it.

aby_gooner wrote:Ricardo.... Rio had a bad game (Have to admit I only watched the post game highlights.. as I was watching Arsenal play).

But Cannavaro had a far worse nightmare. Would you remove Cannavaro from the list of WC defenders.

I do agree with your point on Wes Brown. But Rio is a extremely capable defender. The only issue with his game is his consistency.

Last season against us at OT he was awesome. One week later he was making Cygan look like a decent defender.

For Cannavaro a new age is coming up! He needs to show that he is a real top class defender because he needs to show he can also play in a team that doesn't play catenaccio

Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:
Trust me, Rio did not outclass Nesta at Old Trafford...

Yes he did. Nesta got skinned alive by Quentin Fortune ffs.

Rio has some poor games but is normally faultless and last night was the first poor game I've seen him have in around 10 months.

ricardojol wrote:

aby_gooner wrote:Ricardo.... Rio had a bad game (Have to admit I only watched the post game highlights.. as I was watching Arsenal play).

But Cannavaro had a far worse nightmare. Would you remove Cannavaro from the list of WC defenders.

I do agree with your point on Wes Brown. But Rio is a extremely capable defender. The only issue with his game is his consistency.

Last season against us at OT he was awesome. One week later he was making Cygan look like a decent defender.

For Cannavaro a new age is coming up! He needs to show that he is a real top class defender because he needs to show he can also play in a team that doesn't play catenaccio

capello?????????

Parks Lives wrote:

Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:
Trust me, Rio did not outclass Nesta at Old Trafford...

Yes he did. Nesta got skinned alive by Quentin Fortune ffs.

Rio has some poor games but is normally faultless and last night was the first poor game I've seen him have in around 10 months.

Wasn't "THAT" Blackburn game < 10 months?

I still shudder at his performance

There was a few games around that time, the Fulham game were he was hailing a cab as Collins John scored, the Blackburn game were he was actually in midfield and the Boro game.

Since then until last night he's been immaculate.

COTR wrote:

ricardojol wrote:

aby_gooner wrote:Ricardo.... Rio had a bad game (Have to admit I only watched the post game highlights.. as I was watching Arsenal play).

But Cannavaro had a far worse nightmare. Would you remove Cannavaro from the list of WC defenders.

I do agree with your point on Wes Brown. But Rio is a extremely capable defender. The only issue with his game is his consistency.

Last season against us at OT he was awesome. One week later he was making Cygan look like a decent defender.

For Cannavaro a new age is coming up! He needs to show that he is a real top class defender because he needs to show he can also play in a team that doesn't play catenaccio

capello?????????

Real Madrid don't play defensive!

Messiah wrote:i would put Lucio their has well,he is so underrated.

Lucio underrated?!

Thats a joke right?

He's regarded by most as one of the best defenders on the planet

Tweedledum wrote:

Messiah wrote:i would put Lucio their has well,he is so underrated.

Lucio underrated?!

Thats a joke right?

He's regarded by most as one of the best defenders on the planet

he is regraded at one of the top 3/5, instead he with the like of Rio,terry ext when they aren't good enough to shine his shoes

Messiah wrote:

Tweedledum wrote:

Messiah wrote:i would put Lucio their has well,he is so underrated.

Lucio underrated?!

Thats a joke right?

He's regarded by most as one of the best defenders on the planet

he is regraded at one of the top 3/5, instead he with the like of Rio,terry ext when they aren't good enough to shine his shoes

The guy does have bad games you know - just cos you don't get to watch him week in week out doesn't mean the guy is a living God.

IMO he is better than Rio and Terry at attacking but no better than them defensively, and at the end of the day this is wht defenders are judged on it it not?

And even attackingwwise he doesn't add that much, Terry scores mre goals per season than Lucio does.

There isn't a difference between him and Rio IMO.

I would say Woodgate>Rio and Lucio>Terry

Watch out for Naldo, the future central defender for Brazil if Dunga has the slightest clue about football. He was one of our best players against Chelsea.

Messiah wrote:

he is regraded at one of the top 3/5, instead he with the like of Rio,terry ext when they aren't good enough to shine his shoes

Tweedledum wrote:

Messiah wrote:

Tweedledum wrote:

Messiah wrote:i would put Lucio their has well,he is so underrated.

Lucio underrated?!

Thats a joke right?

He's regarded by most as one of the best defenders on the planet

he is regraded at one of the top 3/5, instead he with the like of Rio,terry ext when they aren't good enough to shine his shoes

The guy does have bad games you know - just cos you don't get to watch him week in week out doesn't mean the guy is a living God.

IMO he is better than Rio and Terry at attacking but no better than them defensively, and at the end of the day this is wht defenders are judged on it it not?
And even attackingwwise he doesn't add that much, Terry scores mre goals per season than Lucio does.

There isn't a difference between him and Rio IMO.

I would say Woodgate>Rio and Lucio>Terry

thats your opinion all be it a wrong one.

Kids, let's just calm down and accept that at the end of the day... Agger is better than all of them.

Obispo wrote:Kids, let's just calm down and accept that at the end of the day... Agger is better than all of them.

Obispo Agger.

Messiah wrote:

Tweedledum wrote:

Messiah wrote:

Tweedledum wrote:

Messiah wrote:i would put Lucio their has well,he is so underrated.

Lucio underrated?!

Thats a joke right?

He's regarded by most as one of the best defenders on the planet

he is regraded at one of the top 3/5, instead he with the like of Rio,terry ext when they aren't good enough to shine his shoes

The guy does have bad games you know - just cos you don't get to watch him week in week out doesn't mean the guy is a living God.

IMO he is better than Rio and Terry at attacking but no better than them defensively, and at the end of the day this is wht defenders are judged on it it not?
And even attackingwwise he doesn't add that much, Terry scores mre goals per season than Lucio does.

There isn't a difference between him and Rio IMO.

I would say Woodgate>Rio and Lucio>Terry

thats your opinion all be it a wrong one.

What is a defenders job Messiah?