I find it hard to understand the fuss over this. I'm pretty sure Celtic fans wouldn't give a shit if it was your club, we see this every week and the only ones that give a shit are the fans of the club on the receiving end. Nobody gave a shit when Heskey and co were diving for penalties against us last season. I don't see why this is different. Clubs get fucked over, that's football.
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Eduardo charged for diving
The Pröfessör- Number of posts : 10076
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Re: Eduardo charged for diving
Parks lives wrote:Will Uefa now come unstuck over less obvious cases of diving?
Eduardo's dive wasn't clear.
Wasn't it?
Have u condemned Rooney's dive on Saturday Parks lives?
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UEFA mugs are falling over themselves
STEVEN HOWARD - Chief sports writer
UEFA have made themselves look complete mugs over the escalating Eduardo fiasco.
The most baffling aspect of it all is they now claim they will NOT be using the Eduardo case to spearhead an anti-diving programme.
In fact, they continue to remain highly sceptical of the use of video evidence - because they are concerned it will undermine the authority of referees!
Yet what did they do in the Eduardo case?
Despite the referee of the Arsenal-Celtic match standing by his original decision to award a penalty, UEFA ignored this and, instead, went on the advice of the official match observer.
And now they say they are worried about referees being undermined. What has happened here is UEFA, realising they have opened a can of worms, are now backpedalling at a furious rate.
They know that every single dubious tumble in the penalty box will be judged on the Eduardo Principle.
That every incident will be played and replayed on TV with the inevitable question: if the Arsenal striker got two games for that how come A, B, C or D got away with this?
No wonder Arsene Wenger is furious, hinting at a conspiracy and, at the same time, making the valid point that a player who almost had his career ended a season or two ago might be excused for taking evasive action at times.
What a poor choice of player to attempt to use as an example to the rest - a man who suffered an horrific broken leg following an extremely rash challenge by Birmingham's Martin Taylor.
Taylor's punishment? A three-game ban.
At the outset, UEFA should have chosen a more clear cut example of the black art of simulation rather than one which, even now, so polarises opinion.
In Italy, they have a players' panel that rules on this sort of thing.
Yet they hardly ever come to a decision because they can never be 100 per cent sure that a player HAS dived.
To have handed Eduardo a two-game ban appears to have been a complete knee-jerk reaction - and one that needs to be quashed on appeal.
Then we come to the fact that this is the first time a player has been charged under article 10 subsection 1c (governing deliberate attempts to con referees) in a club match since the regulation was introduced FOUR YEARS ago.
Are we really to believe Michel Platini & Co have not been alerted to any other examples of simulation in all that time?
And, if they have, why did they not act?
Of course, UEFA are to be encouraged in their attempts to eradicate cheating.
But they have made a rod for their own backs in their crass choice of Eduardo as the first subject of video evidence.
Especially when they say they don't believe in it!
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http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/sunsport_columnists/2621237/UEFA-mugs-are-falling-over-themselves.html
Uefa are a joke tbh, no sane person can dispute that.
STEVEN HOWARD - Chief sports writer
UEFA have made themselves look complete mugs over the escalating Eduardo fiasco.
The most baffling aspect of it all is they now claim they will NOT be using the Eduardo case to spearhead an anti-diving programme.
In fact, they continue to remain highly sceptical of the use of video evidence - because they are concerned it will undermine the authority of referees!
Yet what did they do in the Eduardo case?
Despite the referee of the Arsenal-Celtic match standing by his original decision to award a penalty, UEFA ignored this and, instead, went on the advice of the official match observer.
And now they say they are worried about referees being undermined. What has happened here is UEFA, realising they have opened a can of worms, are now backpedalling at a furious rate.
They know that every single dubious tumble in the penalty box will be judged on the Eduardo Principle.
That every incident will be played and replayed on TV with the inevitable question: if the Arsenal striker got two games for that how come A, B, C or D got away with this?
No wonder Arsene Wenger is furious, hinting at a conspiracy and, at the same time, making the valid point that a player who almost had his career ended a season or two ago might be excused for taking evasive action at times.
What a poor choice of player to attempt to use as an example to the rest - a man who suffered an horrific broken leg following an extremely rash challenge by Birmingham's Martin Taylor.
Taylor's punishment? A three-game ban.
At the outset, UEFA should have chosen a more clear cut example of the black art of simulation rather than one which, even now, so polarises opinion.
In Italy, they have a players' panel that rules on this sort of thing.
Yet they hardly ever come to a decision because they can never be 100 per cent sure that a player HAS dived.
To have handed Eduardo a two-game ban appears to have been a complete knee-jerk reaction - and one that needs to be quashed on appeal.
Then we come to the fact that this is the first time a player has been charged under article 10 subsection 1c (governing deliberate attempts to con referees) in a club match since the regulation was introduced FOUR YEARS ago.
Are we really to believe Michel Platini & Co have not been alerted to any other examples of simulation in all that time?
And, if they have, why did they not act?
Of course, UEFA are to be encouraged in their attempts to eradicate cheating.
But they have made a rod for their own backs in their crass choice of Eduardo as the first subject of video evidence.
Especially when they say they don't believe in it!
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http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/sunsport_columnists/2621237/UEFA-mugs-are-falling-over-themselves.html
Uefa are a joke tbh, no sane person can dispute that.
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The Professor wrote:Parks lives wrote:Will Uefa now come unstuck over less obvious cases of diving?
Eduardo's dive wasn't clear.
Wasn't it?
Have u condemned Rooney's dive on Saturday Parks lives?
I still think this is one of the best dives ever:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMyodSDQbXM
at least Rooney made sure he was touched
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John Terry saying on Sky with a perfectly straight face that diving is not a part of the English game and they won't do it. I don't know whether to laugh or cry
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What is he supposed to say? It's the journalists or whoever who ask these questions. It wouldn't happen in other countries it annoys me because if we have to dive to win the world cup so be it but now they know they'll get a dozen questions all due to fucking Eduardo.
Thanks a lot Arsenal.
Thanks a lot Arsenal.
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Come on it is so absolutely bloody blatantly untrue, he'd have been better advised to admit it happens. You get at Wenger for 'not seeing the incident', Terry is equally blind then.
So when Rooney gets sent off for that second yellow for 'conning the referee' in the second half of q/fs next summer, it's our fault. Hm, maybe it's worth it after all
So when Rooney gets sent off for that second yellow for 'conning the referee' in the second half of q/fs next summer, it's our fault. Hm, maybe it's worth it after all
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Or when he tries to stay on his feet when diving would have won a pen and we go out, then yes i'll blame you c**ts for starting this media fuss for needlessly diving when the tie was won
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Interesting that Dmitriy Belorukov - a known 'hard man' in Russian football - gets no ban, not even a sending for a cynical assault on Andy Johnson. He got booked, not even sent off, but there is no ban for putting a player out for a few weeks and in hospital. How is Eduardo's transgression worthy of a ban and Belorukov's is not?
He is a the thug that body-checked Johnson, causing ligament damage in the Europa league qualifier between Fulham and Amkar Perm for those who don't know or remember
He is a the thug that body-checked Johnson, causing ligament damage in the Europa league qualifier between Fulham and Amkar Perm for those who don't know or remember
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EMP wrote:Interesting that Dmitriy Belorukov - a known 'hard man' in Russian football - gets no ban, not even a sending for a cynical assault on Andy Johnson. He got booked, not even sent off, but there is no ban for putting a player out for a few weeks and in hospital. How is Eduardo's transgression worthy of a ban and Belorukov's is not?
He is a the thug that body-checked Johnson, causing ligament damage in the Europa league qualifier between Fulham and Amkar Perm for those who don't know or remember
While true, maybe it is considered that they have done as much to make it a non-contact sport as possible but that diving without contact is taking Platini's guidelines a bit too far.
Fouls are normally easier to pick up, and the offending players dealt with either by authorities or retaliation. Occasionally players get away with it through refereeing errors, not by being sneaky. I guess the diving incident is seen as sneaky, and we don't want sneakiness as well as a non-contact sport, as it's just not manly .
The reason why goal celebrations have been controlled is that there was way too much taking shirts off and men hugging each other. People in china don't like that.
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What Belorukov did is cheating plain and simple. As Hodgson said he 'cold-bloodedly slammed into him'. Johnson was injured badly and is out for weeks because of a cynical cheat. It wasn't a close thing or feigning injury - it put the guy in hospital. That challenge was far worse than any dive. It's cheating and it caused injury to the player. It put Johnson out for a few games. The thug should be banned at least as long as Johnson misses.
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