Madrid Derby

Hmmmm....for an Atletico-Real Madrid...the 1-4 from 96-97 (video above) was quite memorable. Especially the quality of the goals (Raul's second, Seedorf, and Victor) and considering Atletico had a man advantage for a most of the game. But I think even better than that was the year before - even in the season (95-96) that Atletico did the domestic double they still couldn't beat Madrid in the Calderon. Winning goal from Super's man crush.

1(!) victory in the last 15 matches. I knew it was bad and one-sided, but not that it was this bad and one-sided.

I remember watching the 04-05 and 06-07 matches and Atletico were dominant throughout both. Even more so in the 0-3 loss. They had like 20-4 shots on goal but couldn't get it in.

There's a reason they call them Patetico.

hopefully this match will have stacks of goals. both teams are top heavy and will attack. 5-4 please!

Lordanger wrote:hopefully this match will have stacks of goals. both teams are top heavy and will attack. 5-4 please!

Don't get your hopes up because Quique has just gotten in and I think he will to shore up a truly terrible terrible defence so I don't think Atletico will start out aggressiv but I suppose that since it is a derby it could turn out to be thight and intense. Im more worried about this game then I have been for a long time because if they defend well and sit back then they can do damage on the counter but hopefully they won't.

Well, Quique's teams are usually well organised but the truth is there is only so much you can do if you still have the likes of Pablo out there on the pitch. Only clean sheet Atletico have under Quique so far is their 2-0 win over Marbella (2da B) in Copa del Rey.

Jaime wrote:Well, Quique's teams are usually well organised but the truth is there is only so much you can do if you still have the likes of Pablo out there on the pitch. Only clean sheet Atletico have under Quique so far is their 2-0 win over Marbella (2da B) in Copa del Rey.

That doesn't mean they can't pull out a good defensive performance if they hold a deep defensive line with some protection from midfield. Also derbies can inspire unexpected performances.

Super Higuain wrote:

Jaime wrote:Well, Quique's teams are usually well organised but the truth is there is only so much you can do if you still have the likes of Pablo out there on the pitch. Only clean sheet Atletico have under Quique so far is their 2-0 win over Marbella (2da B) in Copa del Rey.

That doesn't mean they can't pull out a good defensive performance if they hold a deep defensive line with some protection from midfield. Also derbies can inspire unexpected performances.

True. But Cleber and Assuncao protecting from midfield???? I think there will be goals.

Confirmed: Albiol's suspension after the red card against Getafe will not been reversed.

Jaime wrote:

Super Higuain wrote:

Jaime wrote:Well, Quique's teams are usually well organised but the truth is there is only so much you can do if you still have the likes of Pablo out there on the pitch. Only clean sheet Atletico have under Quique so far is their 2-0 win over Marbella (2da B) in Copa del Rey.

That doesn't mean they can't pull out a good defensive performance if they hold a deep defensive line with some protection from midfield. Also derbies can inspire unexpected performances.

True. But Cleber and Assuncao protecting from midfield???? I think there will be goals.

That is why I think he might just add an extra man in midfield to give the backline more protection. He seems to be a pragmatic type and it would be an obvious way of keeping a more defensive balance while letting either Jurado/Simao or both attack if it is a 4-3-2-1. Even if he does play a 4-4-2 then I think it will be thighter then it usually is.

Super Higuain wrote:

Jaime wrote:

Super Higuain wrote:

Jaime wrote:Well, Quique's teams are usually well organised but the truth is there is only so much you can do if you still have the likes of Pablo out there on the pitch. Only clean sheet Atletico have under Quique so far is their 2-0 win over Marbella (2da B) in Copa del Rey.

That doesn't mean they can't pull out a good defensive performance if they hold a deep defensive line with some protection from midfield. Also derbies can inspire unexpected performances.

True. But Cleber and Assuncao protecting from midfield???? I think there will be goals.

That is why I think he might just add an extra man in midfield to give the backline more protection. He seems to be a pragmatic type and it would be an obvious way of keeping a more defensive balance while letting either Jurado/Simao or both attack if it is a 4-3-2-1. Even if he does play a 4-4-2 then I think it will be thighter then it usually is.

A bit, though he is no Rafa Benitez. Anyhow - look at the XI that he played against Chelsea:

----------------------Asenjo

Perea--------Juanito------Pablo-------A. Lopez

Reyes-----C. Santana-----Assuncao-----Simao

--------------Sinama-----Forlan


He rarely deviates from his 4-4-2 so I think we'll see something similar at the very least.

Wait...

A Left footed player on the right flank, and a right footed players on the left flank?

TM wrote:Wait...

A Left footed player on the right flank, and a right footed players on the left flank?

Cutting in!

hmmmmm, he has only had 2 weeks with the defenders, he needs about 5 decades to sort that lot out! they might try and keep it tight but id put good money on atletico going one down in the first ten minutes.

Lordanger wrote:hmmmmm, he has only had 2 weeks with the defenders, he needs about 5 decades to sort that lot out! they might try and keep it tight but id put good money on atletico going one down in the first ten minutes.

Yeah, exactly. I mean he sends Pablo out there...but it's like my father says. You can't ask a car to fly.

@Torrente

Aver si vas con esa chuleria i anti catalanism a los pubs cerca del Camp Nou.

pd. no duraras ni un segundo aver si nos llamas peasants a la cara seguro que te lo pasas bien en el Camp Nou viendo futbol de verdad i no la mierda que se juega en madrit i en la ciudad que no esta lleno de c**ts (como en madrit)

Que no. Ha dicho que los vascos son unos paletos. Y que los andaluces son unos gitanos. Pero en fin...

Vais a por otro empate a cero contra el Mallorca? Fubtol de verdad

Pellegrini cambia de opinión y Raúl no será titular en el derbi

Sin Raúl. Así saltará el Real Madrid al césped del Vicente Calderón en el derbi madrileño de la 10ª jornada de la Liga BBVA. Manuel Pellegrini ha cambiado de opinión en 24 horas y ha pasado de hablar del capitán como "titularísimo", a decidir dejarlo en el banquillo.

Por tanto, el conjunto blanco saltará con Casillas bajo palos, Sergio Ramos y Arbeloa como laterales, Pepe y Garay de centrales, Lass y Xabi Alonso en el centro, Marcelo por la izquierda, Kaká por la derecha y Benzemá e Higuaín en ataque. Salvo la ausencia obligada de Albiol por sanción, se trata del mismo once por el que apostó Pellegrini ante el Milan el pasado martes en la liguilla de la Champions. Parece que al técnico chileno le gustó cómo salió el equipo en la primera parte en San Siro y repetirá alineación en el derbi madrileño.

Esta suplencia de Raúl será la tercera consecutiva tras el desastre en Alcorcón. El '7' ha empezado en el banquillo los partidos ante Getafe y Milan y, si no hay cambios de última hora, el capitán empezará el derbi en el banquillo del Calderón. Esta circuntancia no la vivia Raúl desde hace tres años, cuando reapareció de su lesión de rodilla.

http://www.marca.com/2009/11/07/futbol/equipos/real_madrid/1257601530.html

So according to Marca:

---------------------Casillas


S. Ramos------Pepe-----Garay------Arbeloa


Kaka-----L. Diarra----X. Alonso-----Marcelo


------------Benzema-----Higuain

Raúl apunta a suplente en en Calderón

Aunque aún no hay nada oficial, todo parece indicar que Raúl tiene muchas posibilidades de comenzar en el banquillo el derbi contra el Atlético de Madrid de esta tarde.

A pesar de que Pellegrini aseguraba ayer que el capitán es "titularísimo", el entrenador chileno podría estar barajando la posibilidad de no dar entrada en el once al '7' blanco, en lo que sería su tercer partido consecutivo fuera del once inicial.

Las posibilidades que se barajan son principalmente dos. La inclusión de Granero, que actuaría por la derecha con Kaká en el centro, o la de Higuaín, que podría actuar por el centro o en la banda derecha.

http://www.as.com/futbol/articulo/raul-apunta-suplente-calderon/dasftb/20091107dasdasftb_21/Tes

Jaime wrote:Pellegrini cambia de opinión y Raúl no será titular en el derbi

Sin Raúl. Así saltará el Real Madrid al césped del Vicente Calderón en el derbi madrileño de la 10ª jornada de la Liga BBVA. Manuel Pellegrini ha cambiado de opinión en 24 horas y ha pasado de hablar del capitán como "titularísimo", a decidir dejarlo en el banquillo.

Por tanto, el conjunto blanco saltará con Casillas bajo palos, Sergio Ramos y Arbeloa como laterales, Pepe y Garay de centrales, Lass y Xabi Alonso en el centro, Marcelo por la izquierda, Kaká por la derecha y Benzemá e Higuaín en ataque. Salvo la ausencia obligada de Albiol por sanción, se trata del mismo once por el que apostó Pellegrini ante el Milan el pasado martes en la liguilla de la Champions. Parece que al técnico chileno le gustó cómo salió el equipo en la primera parte en San Siro y repetirá alineación en el derbi madrileño.

Esta suplencia de Raúl será la tercera consecutiva tras el desastre en Alcorcón. El '7' ha empezado en el banquillo los partidos ante Getafe y Milan y, si no hay cambios de última hora, el capitán empezará el derbi en el banquillo del Calderón. Esta circuntancia no la vivia Raúl desde hace tres años, cuando reapareció de su lesión de rodilla.

http://www.marca.com/2009/11/07/futbol/equipos/real_madrid/1257601530.html

Jaime wrote:Pellegrini cambia de opinión y Raúl no será titular en el derbi

Sin Raúl. Así saltará el Real Madrid al césped del Vicente Calderón en el derbi madrileño de la 10ª jornada de la Liga BBVA. Manuel Pellegrini ha cambiado de opinión en 24 horas y ha pasado de hablar del capitán como "titularísimo", a decidir dejarlo en el banquillo.

Por tanto, el conjunto blanco saltará con Casillas bajo palos, Sergio Ramos y Arbeloa como laterales, Pepe y Garay de centrales, Lass y Xabi Alonso en el centro, Marcelo por la izquierda, Kaká por la derecha y Benzemá e Higuaín en ataque. Salvo la ausencia obligada de Albiol por sanción, se trata del mismo once por el que apostó Pellegrini ante el Milan el pasado martes en la liguilla de la Champions. Parece que al técnico chileno le gustó cómo salió el equipo en la primera parte en San Siro y repetirá alineación en el derbi madrileño.

Esta suplencia de Raúl será la tercera consecutiva tras el desastre en Alcorcón. El '7' ha empezado en el banquillo los partidos ante Getafe y Milan y, si no hay cambios de última hora, el capitán empezará el derbi en el banquillo del Calderón. Esta circuntancia no la vivia Raúl desde hace tres años, cuando reapareció de su lesión de rodilla.

http://www.marca.com/2009/11/07/futbol/equipos/real_madrid/1257601530.html

The end of an era.