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    Post by Super Progress Tue Dec 22, 2009 5:31 pm

    Continuing the reflections on the past decade, it is about the what if's.
    This is Goal's list but be free to make your own?

    Manchester United were cruising into the quarter finals of the 2003/04 Champions League as they led Jose Mourinho’s Porto 1-0 in their second round second leg clash at Old Trafford. Then, in the last minute, goalkeeper Howard fumbled a harmless free kick and Costinha dispatched the rebound to send Porto through and Mourinho charging down the touchline. Porto would go on to win the Champions League.

    Had Howard not erred, would Mourinho have been offered the Chelsea job at the end of that season? Would he be such a respected coach without a Champions League winners medal? Would Mourinho be able to argue against those who say he has only succeeded in his managerial career because he has been at rich clubs? Would Mourinho be the 'Special One'?

    9) What If England Had Appointed Felipe Scolari In 2006?

    Scolari had been England’s first choice to succeed Sven Goran Eriksson after the 2006 World Cup, but eventually rejected the FA who reluctantly appointed Steve McClaren. The former Manchester United assistant would have a disastrous 18-month spell that culminated in failure to qualify for Euro 2008?

    Had Scolari accepted the job, would England have qualified for Austria and Switzerland? Would David Beckham have been ditched before being re-hitched? Would Scolari have tried the 3-5-2 formation? Would he have erected that silly umbrella? Would Fabio Capello now be at the helm? Would there now be so many Italian coaches in the UK? Who would have replaced Avram Grant as Chelsea boss? Would Brian Barwick and the rest of the English FA be considered as anything other than incompetent?

    Cool What If Argentina Had A Good Manager?

    In the 2002 World Cup, Argentina were loaded with top class players but were eliminated from the group stages due to the incompetence of their coach Marcelo Bielsa who, aside from blundering tactically, left out of the likes of Juan Roman Riquelme and Javier Saviola from his squad, preferring instead a 35-year-old Claudio Caniggia, 32-year-old Diego Simeone who hadn't played all season and Napoli nobody Claudio Husain. Not to mention the fact he started a 33-year-old past-it Gabriel Batistuta in every game.

    Fast forward four years and Jose Pekerman left best right back in the world Javier Zanetti at home, as well as Walter Samuel. Despite this, Argentina blitzed their way through to the quarter finals and looked like the best team in the tournament. In the last eight they comfortably led Germany 1-0, until Pekerman thought it would be a good idea to substitute star man Riquelme with 18 minutes to go for target man Julio Cruz. Germany equalised to force extra time, Pekerman had used all his three subs (and left Lionel Messi on the bench), and the hosts would win on penalties.

    What if Argentina had had a good manager in 2002 and 2006?

    7) What If Pavel Nedved Had Been Eligible In 2003 & Fit In 2004?

    The Patrick Swayze lookalike was the world’s best player in 2003 and had dragged Juventus to the final of the Champions League almost single-handedly, but he cruelly missed the Manchester showpiece through suspension. Had he played, would Juve have beaten Milan?

    A year later, Nedved had been the best player at Euro 2004, and the Czech Republic the best team. But in the semi final against Greece he limped off injured after 40 minutes and the shock eventual winners would emerge victorious with a Golden Goal in extra time. Would the Czechs have gone on to win Euro 2004 had Nedved stayed fit?

    6) What If Sir Alex Ferguson Had Retired In 2002?

    The legendary Scotsman had announced his decision to retire from management at the end of the 2001/02 season, but changed his mind before the campaign ended. More than seven years later and Fergie is still leading Manchester United to success.

    If Ferguson had quit, would United still be the dominant force in English football? Would they have gone on to win four more Premier League titles and another Champions League? Who would now be manager of The Red Devils? Martin O’Neill? Would Ferguson’s successor have been capable to wrestle the power back from Chelsea in 2007? Would David Beckham still be playing at Old Trafford?

    5) What If Edgar Davids Hadn’t Joined Barcelona In 2004?

    In 2003/04 Barcelona had a new president in Joan Laporta, a new coach in Frank Rijkaard, and a new star player in Ronaldinho. But the first half to the season was a complete disaster as the Blaugrana languished in 12th place, way off the pace and with seemingly no chance of even getting into the Champions League places. Many directors and fans wanted Laporta out, while Rijkaard was on the brink of the sack.

    Then, in January 2004, Edgar Davids arrived on loan from Juventus. The Dutchman was simply magnificent and the driving force behind a brilliant Barcelona recovery that saw them roar up the standings to finish the season in second place. Although Davids would not make his move permanent, he had saved his former Ajax colleague his job. Rijkaard and Barca would not look back as they would win consecutive La Liga crowns and the 2006 Champions League. Would Barca be the unstoppable team they are now had it not been for Davids? Would Rijkaard have been sacked? Would Laporta have been ousted? Would Ronaldinho have found his feet?

    4) What If The ‘Hand Of Henry’ Had Been Spotted?

    It was seen by virtually every person in the world, but what would have happened had referee Martin Hansson spotted Thierry Henry’s blatant handball prior to William Gallas’ decisive extra time goal that saw France oust Ireland in the 2010 World Cup playoffs?

    Would the Irish now be booking their plane tickets to South Africa? Would Giovanni Trapattoni have been hailed as a hero in Ireland? Would we be talking about the greatest moment in Irish football history? Would Raymond Domenech still be in charge of France? Would Laurent Blanc now be in his place? Would Thierry Henry have retired from international football?!

    3) What If Zinedine Zidane’s Headbutt On Marco Materazzi Had Gone Unpunished?

    In the twentieth minute of extra time during the 2006 World Cup final between Italy and France, Zinedine Zidane performed his infamous headbutt on Azzurri defender Marco Materazzi. The referee Horacio Elizondo and his linesmen, despite halting play, appeared to miss the incident but Zidane was eventually red carded. It is rumoured to this day that Elizondo only sent Zidane off after the fourth official had watched a replay on the pitch-side television. But what would have happened had Zidane stayed on the field?

    Would Italy have won the World Cup on penalties? Zidane would have been one of France’s penalty takers. Would Italy have declared war for the second World Cup running had they lost in such circumstances? Would Materazzi have been on the receiving end of such a worldwide hate campaign? Would the British tabloids have printed those defamatory remarks before being sued? Would Raymond Domenech have snubbed Serie A’s French stars at Euro 2008?

    2) What If Roman Abramovich Hadn’t Bought Chelsea?

    Chelsea were completely transformed in the summer of 2003 when Russian billionaire Roman Abramovich bought the club from Ken Bates and poured his fortune into the club. Had the 43-year-old not taken over, where would Chelsea be now?

    Would they still be waiting to win their first championship since 1955? Would the club have gone into administration due to the fact they were crippled by debt when Abramovich rescued them? Would Chelsea now be in the same situation as Leeds United? What if Abramovich had bought Tottenham Hotspur instead of Chelsea, as was first planned? Would Spurs now be a European supergiant? Had Abramovich not entered English football, would there be so many foreign owners in the Premier League? Would English teams have performed as well in the Champions League in recent years?

    1) What If There Had Been No Calciopoli Scandal?

    The implications of this are never-ending. Would Inter just be about to enter their twenty-first year since last winning the Scudetto? Would Juventus still be dominating Serie A with the third star on their shirts? Would Luciano Moggi still be the transfer guru of Calcio?

    Would the Italian league have performed much better in Europe these past few seasons? Would it be so crippled financially? Would it have such a bad image internationally? Would Kaka and Zlatan Ibrahimovic have left Italy, and would more big name stars such as Fernando Torres and Cristiano Ronaldo now be plying their trade in the Campionato? Would Marcello Lippi ever have left after Germany? Would Fabrizio Miccoli have been frozen out of the Azzurri set-up? Would Italy have won the 2006 World Cup?

    One that I have personally thought over many times is what would have happened if Real didn't lose the Copa Del Rey final in 2004 which started the institutional and sporting decay. Results have been somewhat overcome at least in La Liga but things were much better in several fronts back at the start of 2004.The Galatico football hasn't been seen since and only now we are seeing something that might resemble but likely won't match ever. At the time of that final we were playing quite well and were looking set in all 3 competitions. Afterwards the team collapsed completely getting humiliated by Monaco and then with the worst run of defeats in the club's history.

    The result for the rivals was that Valencia went on to win the league and perhaps Benitez wouldn't have left if he only got second place alongside the Uefa Cup triumph. He wouldn't have looked as attractive to Liverpool. Also Barcelona were able to sweep in at time where Valencia/Deportivo and then Real all had teams that were on the end run. Since then La Liga has gradually weakened domestically while somewhat keeping apperance through just Villarreal and Barcelona's appearances in the semis and Barcelona against this year. At the moment the league is still weak domestically compared to previous times but does look stronger in Europe allthough time will tell.
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    Post by Torrente Tue Dec 22, 2009 6:27 pm

    I have several "what ifs" from the period around the 2004 Copa Del Rey loss, where Florentino and Valdano made one retarded mistake after another.

    -What if Real Madrid had gotten Ronaldinho and Eto? In 2003 Beckham was preferred over Dinho despite having Figo in the right wing and there is no doubt in my mind that he would have gone to Real Madrid had the club pursued him (the offer made to PSG was for the following season and Dinho didn't want to stay another year). In 2004, idiot Florentino bought Walter Samuel very early which he used as an excuse to sell Eto to Barcelona (Samuel took the third non-EU spot). Nevermind the fact that Barcelona would have been very unlikely to turn around their fortunes without these two players, but just imagine a Madrid team with Eto and fat Ronaldo in attack with Dinho and Zidane behind them affraid

    -What if Del Bosque hadn't been fired? We always get the priceless line from Florentino that "Del Bosque wasn't fired, we just decided not to renew his contract" lol! Even with Eto and Dinho going to Barcelona, things may have still worked in Madrid's favor if our most successful coach in decades was not fired in favor of Alex Ferguson's towel boy.

    -On a similar vein, what if Dinho had gone to Manchester United? His agent ended up ruining negotiations with ManU and he ended up in Barcelona by default. Would ManU have gotten Ronaldo anyway? Would Dinho have displayed his magic in England and would his decay have taken place under Ferguson's watch? Potentially, we could have seen both Dinho and Ronaldo at their peak in ManU.

    -What if Raul had gone to the Euro? Would the team spirit that was eventually developed in the Spanish squad been achieved with Raul's presence? Would the need to play him have ruined any of Spain's games?

    -In a similar vein, what if Romario had gone to the World Cup in 2002? Romario's case was a bit different to Raul's because Romario was still class at the time, but Scolari felt betrayed after Romario slept with a stewardess the night before a qualifying game. Scolari resisted a major media campaign to take him to the world cup, I remember even Romario crying on tv begging to be taken. Scolari banked on Ronaldo being fit and firing on all cylinders in the world cup and his gamble paid off.

    -What if Russia had scored a sitter at the end of their game against Greece in 2004? I still remember watching Spain vs. Portugal in the group stages while keeping an eye on Russia vs. Greece. Spain was down 1-0 and needed Russia to beat Greece by 2 goals in order for both Portugal and Spain to go through (assuming the Spain result stayed the same). I don't remember which player it was, but he missed a major sitter in the final minutes which would have meant the 3-1, Greece going out of the Euro in the group stages and both Portugal and Spain advancing No
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    Post by Romford Pele Tue Dec 22, 2009 6:37 pm

    What if we had 11 men on the pitch against Barca Sad
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    Post by BoBo Vieri 32 Tue Dec 22, 2009 6:50 pm

    Not sure the criticism of Bielsa and Pekerman re entirely justified. In hindsight, it's always easy to say so and so should/shouldn't have been picked but these guys had their ideas and wanted to carry them out. Bielsa's system worked in qualifying, Pekerman's was working in the WC.

    Calciopoli is an interesting one, and i think they're right. Juve and Milan would've led the way, Inter would still be underachievers in Serie A.

    What if Cirio and Parmalat hadn't fucked up?

    What if Vieri hadn't missed that sitter against Korea? What if he was fit for Euro 2000 and WC 06? or the euroderby in 2003?
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    Post by Super Progress Tue Dec 22, 2009 8:01 pm

    BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:Not sure the criticism of Bielsa and Pekerman re entirely justified. In hindsight, it's always easy to say so and so should/shouldn't have been picked but these guys had their ideas and wanted to carry them out. Bielsa's system worked in qualifying, Pekerman's was working in the WC.

    Calciopoli is an interesting one, and i think they're right. Juve and Milan would've led the way, Inter would still be underachievers in Serie A.

    What if Cirio and Parmalat hadn't fucked up?

    What if Vieri hadn't missed that sitter against Korea? What if he was fit for Euro 2000 and WC 06? or the euroderby in 2003?
    Wouldn't have made a difference because for whatever reason Korea seemed to have the refs going for them Hiddink working magic. Smiley

    The Caliopoli came as a convinient excuse for Inter. Now they could explain why they didn't win anything. They might have won 1-2 more but doubt they would be in anything resembling the position they are in now.
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    Post by Di Caniooooo! Tue Dec 22, 2009 8:06 pm

    What if Man utd had bought Di Canio Razz
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    Post by King Modric Tue Dec 22, 2009 9:10 pm

    I always wonder what would've happened if Depor had beaten Porto in the 2003-2004 CL. They would've been in the finals and against Monaco who were a very beatable side. Also Depor were IMO the better side and they got screwed by several of the ref's decisions. Super Depor might still be around or at the very least their situation wouldn't be as dire as it is now. Perhaps La Liga would be a lot more open rather than the two team show that it is now.
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    Post by Jaime Tue Dec 22, 2009 9:13 pm

    What if golsud had his way and Barcelona sold Xavi and hired Mourinho after 07-08?

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    Post by Jaime Tue Dec 22, 2009 9:15 pm

    Torrente wrote:-What if Raul had gone to the Euro? Would the team spirit that was eventually developed in the Spanish squad been achieved with Raul's presence? Would the need to play him have ruined any of Spain's games?

    Don't think this is a 'what if'. It's clear that would have been what happened and it's exactly why el Sabio left him at home.

    The better what if concerning Raul is what if he had not pulled his hamstring muscle against Ireland in the 2002 WC and been fit to play against S. Korea in the 1/4 finals? We can all laugh at what Raul has become in the last 4-5 years but then he was at the prime of his career and was outstanding in Korea/Japan until that injury.
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    Post by fcb Wed Dec 23, 2009 6:08 am

    Torrente wrote:
    -What if Real Madrid had gotten Ronaldinho and Eto? In 2003 Beckham was preferred over Dinho despite having Figo in the right wing and there is no doubt in my mind that he would have gone to Real Madrid had the club pursued him (the offer made to PSG was for the following season and Dinho didn't want to stay another year). In 2004, idiot Florentino bought Walter Samuel very early which he used as an excuse to sell Eto to Barcelona (Samuel took the third non-EU spot). Nevermind the fact that Barcelona would have been very unlikely to turn around their fortunes without these two players, but just imagine a Madrid team with Eto and fat Ronaldo in attack with Dinho and Zidane behind them affraid

    As if Raul would have been dropped Doh Doh Doh
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    Post by Kroos Wed Dec 23, 2009 8:10 am

    what yould the EPL without owners and debts?

    i think they would be behind die Bundesliga
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    Post by Protheus Wed Dec 23, 2009 12:43 pm

    King Pipita wrote:I always wonder what would've happened if Depor had beaten Porto in the 2003-2004 CL. They would've been in the finals and against Monaco who were a very beatable side. Also Depor were IMO the better side and they got screwed by several of the ref's decisions. Super Depor might still be around or at the very least their situation wouldn't be as dire as it is now. Perhaps La Liga would be a lot more open rather than the two team show that it is now.

    Not in the Porto tie. They were completly outplayed in Dragão ultradefending from minute 1 to the end of the game. We've hitted the post and created several chances and all they did was defending. I think they didn´t have a single opportunity in that match. It was very frustrating because after the Milan game i thought i would watch a fantastic game (i was there).

    In the second leg it was a pretty tigh affair but to be honest they only had 2 opportunities all match and we've killed their momentum pretty well. We had our chances too and the penalty was obvious and if they have someone to blame it was their cb and their defensive mentality in the tie.

    Funny how we are always throw to lions in the if's things.

    What if the free kick in the first game against united was not marked(because there was no foul) and they didn´t score a single goal? What if Ronaldo hadn´t score last year that one in a lifetime kick? What if Neuer hadn´t the game of his life against us vs Schalke and even shine in the penalty decider?
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    Post by Jaime Wed Dec 23, 2009 3:48 pm

    kas wrote:
    Torrente wrote:
    -What if Real Madrid had gotten Ronaldinho and Eto? In 2003 Beckham was preferred over Dinho despite having Figo in the right wing and there is no doubt in my mind that he would have gone to Real Madrid had the club pursued him (the offer made to PSG was for the following season and Dinho didn't want to stay another year). In 2004, idiot Florentino bought Walter Samuel very early which he used as an excuse to sell Eto to Barcelona (Samuel took the third non-EU spot). Nevermind the fact that Barcelona would have been very unlikely to turn around their fortunes without these two players, but just imagine a Madrid team with Eto and fat Ronaldo in attack with Dinho and Zidane behind them affraid

    As if Raul would have been dropped Doh Doh Doh

    Well, it was the same time we were selling Makelele so....

    --------------Raul

    Figo--------Zidane--------Ronaldinho

    -----Eto'o------Ronaldo
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    Post by Torrente Wed Dec 23, 2009 5:48 pm

    Santi Claus wrote:
    kas wrote:
    Torrente wrote:
    -What if Real Madrid had gotten Ronaldinho and Eto? In 2003 Beckham was preferred over Dinho despite having Figo in the right wing and there is no doubt in my mind that he would have gone to Real Madrid had the club pursued him (the offer made to PSG was for the following season and Dinho didn't want to stay another year). In 2004, idiot Florentino bought Walter Samuel very early which he used as an excuse to sell Eto to Barcelona (Samuel took the third non-EU spot). Nevermind the fact that Barcelona would have been very unlikely to turn around their fortunes without these two players, but just imagine a Madrid team with Eto and fat Ronaldo in attack with Dinho and Zidane behind them affraid

    As if Raul would have been dropped Doh Doh Doh

    Well, it was the same time we were selling Makelele so....

    --------------Raul

    Figo--------Zidane--------Ronaldinho

    -----Eto'o------Ronaldo

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    And based on the conversation Sacchi had with Florentino, I wouldn't be surprised if we had seen this:


    ....................................Iker......................................................

    .....................................Hierro..................................

    ............Beckham.............Zidane............................Roberto Carlos......


    .....................................Raul..............................................


    .............Figo.....................Dinho........................Kaka.............


    .......................Fat Ronnie..........................Eto....................


    Iker's heart attacks will have probably quadrupled and he would have dropped dead before he hit 27, but what a team that would have been!
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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Wed Dec 23, 2009 7:53 pm

    What if Damien Comolli never joined Spurs? Crying or Very sadGrr


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    Post by Di Caniooooo! Wed Dec 23, 2009 7:56 pm

    What if we had managed to sign Tevez legally? Razz

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