Manager of the Decade

Capello should be nowhere in this list...he would be probably be top of the 90s list though.

According to Wiki, this decade he won a league title very early on with Roma in 2000-2001. Fair enough.

Then 2 back to back titles with Juve but the 2nd one was revoked so I wouldn't consider the first one clean either.

And then one horrible season with Real Madrid where everybody hated him but through some good comebacks and spirit from his players, and stupidity from Barcelona, he barely won the league on head-to-head before being immediately sacked.

So basically 2 league titles - many other managers in that list did the same or better.

Did well with England in qualifications but that doesn't mean much since the main course is still to come, and that's next decade

He won league titles with 3 different clubs. The one with Roma is especially impressive. I don't think many managers in the list can match that.

What let's him down is his record in Europe this decade, which is pretty crap (never got beyond the QFs).

Yes, but I don't think the Juve ones count. So basically he has 1 impressive league title and 1 unimpressive league title. And as you pointed out, a crap record in Europe. Not even top 5 in the decade...maybe just about top 10.

Also worth noticing that we are basically discussing the European manager of the decade. I'm sure there are a few deserving candidates from South America who we don't know much about.

kas wrote:Yes, but I don't think the Juve ones count. So basically he has 1 impressive league title and 1 unimpressive league title. And as you pointed out, a crap record in Europe. Not even top 5 in the decade...maybe just about top 10.

Also worth noticing that we are basically discussing the European manager of the decade. I'm sure there are a few deserving candidates from South America who we don't know much about.

I think they count. Even without the help from the referees, i think Juve would've won the title. Capello did a very good job at Juve - he knows how to get the results against the midtable and smaller teams which is where the league title is won and lost.

He played shit football in Madrid, but in the end it's the achievements that count. You could underplay/overplay alot of managers' achievements, but the facts speak for themselves.

I think he deserves to be on the list. He's certainly top 10. Whether he's top 5 depends how you value domestic success as opposed to european success.

L r dd wrote:
Must have been that ref conspiracy which saw 10 sendings off for the teams that faced the 'best team' while reciecing a generous 8 or so pens as well.

How often do you just quote the number of red cards and pens ?

There must have been a conspiracy in favour of Cardiff City last season and Palace when they were in the Prem

Its the number of outrageous decisions that are right in view of the ref.

L r dd wrote:Glad you view a cl win and cl final highly though....surely when you add in 6 'best teams' and countless other cups you'll switch your vote?

He's only in that position because of 14 years of outrageous spending leading up to it yet still took 7 years to win the title.

Yup well done on ignoring everything that defeats your so called opinion.

L r dd wrote:Yup well done on ignoring everything that defeats your so called opinion.

There is nothing that defeats my opinion on this subject - how could it ?

Messiah wrote:Pep Guardiola isn't is obvious

He has won everything the he can win in only one season,which manager this decade can show such a record, may guess is none

And you would be wrong. Manuel Jose de Jesus won the treble+ in consecutive seasons with Al-Ahly - the only club and manager to achieve that this decade or any other for that matter.

He aslso won the Medal of Sport First Class - the only foreign coach to be awarded that honour.

kas wrote:Capello should be nowhere in this list...he would be probably be top of the 90s list though.

According to Wiki, this decade he won a league title very early on with Roma in 2000-2001. Fair enough.

Then 2 back to back titles with Juve but the 2nd one was revoked so I wouldn't consider the first one clean either.

And then one horrible season with Real Madrid where everybody hated him but through some good comebacks and spirit from his players, and stupidity from Barcelona, he barely won the league on head-to-head before being immediately sacked.

So basically 2 league titles - many other managers in that list did the same or better.

Did well with England in qualifications but that doesn't mean much since the main course is still to come, and that's next decade

Kas, I am disappointed in you... lately you have been talking a lot of shite.

Both of Juve's titles under Capello were revoked. But that said, Capello's Juve would ve probably won them without any calciopoli help... Juve cheated for over a decade, unfortunately for Capello proof was available only for his two seasons and not for the many titles they won under Lippi previously. Capello's Juve were far more impressive than any of Lippi's Juve's IMO, inspite of failures in europe. Some of Lippi's titles would not have happened without Moggi's cheating.

Capello's win with Roma was remarkable. And however unimpressive Capello's title win in Real was, fact is that he ended a losing cycle at the club without spending too much money. That in itself is quite impressive. Thats 4 league titles in 9 seasons, with 3 different clubs and 2 different leagues. Add to that England's most impressive qualification campaign ever, and you have a case for Capello to be on this list.

He deserves to be on this list more than any Barca manager, thats for sure. For me Capello >>> Lippi, in this decade or the previous one, or even the next one.

Anyways IMO this decade its basically between Ancelotti, Mourinho or SAF. I would pick Ancelotti, for his record in europe. But I do not rate him as one of the top 5 coaches in the world, he just has been more successful in europe.

EMP wrote:

Messiah wrote:Pep Guardiola isn't is obvious

He has won everything the he can win in only one season,which manager this decade can show such a record, may guess is none

And you would be wrong. Manuel Jose de Jesus won the treble+ in consecutive seasons with Al-Ahly - the only club and manager to achieve that this decade or any other for that matter.

He aslso won the Medal of Sport First Class - the only foreign coach to be awarded that honour.

was all of the done in his 1st year as a manager?, its Egypt Egypt

Fergle

Guardiola
Bobo
Don't you dare put Pep on the list.
Also I would suggest we make some criteria first so people have something to go by. For example it can't all just be titles. It could also be tactical contributions to the game. Spaletti using Totti as a striker who drops deep has started something. Ancelotti using Pirlo(Am) as a deeplying playmaker was also very interesting and led to Milan dominating teams in Europe and imo Italy winning the world cup being the only team to have a creative central midfielder(except Spain but they sucked).

In América it's Carlos Bianchi. In Europe it's between Mourinho and Benítez, very hard to separate these two. The EPL dimwits will say "Fergie's been the best..." blah blah blah, they'll just repeat what the English media tell them sheep. In fact, Ferguson doesn't even make the top 5 best coaches of the decade.

Puro wrote:In América it's Carlos Bianchi. In Europe it's between Mourinho and Benítez, very hard to separate these two. The EPL dimwits will say "Fergie's been the best..." blah blah blah, they'll just repeat what the English media tell them sheep. In fact, Ferguson doesn't even make the top 5 best coaches of the decade.

how?

Super Higuain wrote:Guardiola
Bobo
Don't you dare put Pep on the list.
Also I would suggest we make some criteria first so people have something to go by. For example it can't all just be titles. It could also be tactical contributions to the game. Spaletti using Totti as a striker who drops deep has started something. Ancelotti using Pirlo(Am) as a deeplying playmaker was also very interesting and led to Milan dominating teams in Europe and imo Italy winning the world cup being the only team to have a creative central midfielder(except Spain but they sucked).

Italy = Football's lab

I would argue that Ferguson has also contributed outside titles. Using Tevez-Rooney-Ronaldo with their actual striker playing on the wing was different. I think it was a variation on what Spaletti was doing but Ferguson nonetheless pulled it off and unlike Spaletti he managed to make it effective in Cl(Of course he had more money but still).

Puro
What has Bianchi done recently? I remember his good Boca team that wooped Robinho/Diego's Santos in the final. He disapointed with Atletico Madrid allthough that can be said about any manager that has worked at Atletico in the past decade.

Super Higuain wrote:I would argue that Ferguson has also contributed outside titles. Using Tevez-Rooney-Ronaldo with their actual striker playing on the wing was different. I think it was a variation on what Spaletti was doing but Ferguson nonetheless pulled it off and unlike Spaletti he managed to make it effective in Cl(Of course he had more money but still).
Puro
What has Bianchi done recently? I remember his good Boca team that wooped Robinho/Diego's Santos in the final as well as Real Madrid in the old Intercontinental cup. He disapointed with Atletico Madrid allthough that can be said about any manager that has worked at Atletico in the past decade.

there fixed it for ye...

he also had a great time at Velez Sarsfield before he went to Boca, where he won eveything he could win with a traditionally small club(including a thrashing to Capello's Milan)

Bianchi was definitely the most succesful coach in SouthAmerica, but I'd say that his ability to motivate players and handle groups overpassed his abilities as a tactician. That said he could teach a trick or two to any coach in the world.

I remember the game against Milan during his days at Boca for the intercontinental cup...he was worried about Ancelotti's FB's so he arranged for Boca players to make it look like our own FB's were on a streak scoring lots and lots of goals during practice and making sure that Ancelotti's men would see this...they were afraid of Clemente Rodriguez through the whole game, I mean fucking Cafú was told not to attack but rather be more worried about our own fb

Bianchi would be a better candidate for the "94-2004" period rather than the past decade

Barrilete's_Cosmic_Xmas wrote:

Super Higuain wrote:I would argue that Ferguson has also contributed outside titles. Using Tevez-Rooney-Ronaldo with their actual striker playing on the wing was different. I think it was a variation on what Spaletti was doing but Ferguson nonetheless pulled it off and unlike Spaletti he managed to make it effective in Cl(Of course he had more money but still).
Puro
What has Bianchi done recently? I remember his good Boca team that wooped Robinho/Diego's Santos in the final as well as Real Madrid in the old Intercontinental cup. He disapointed with Atletico Madrid allthough that can be said about any manager that has worked at Atletico in the past decade.

there fixed it for ye...

he also had a great time at Velez Sarsfield before he went to Boca, where he won eveything he could win with a traditionally small club(including a thrashing to Capello's Milan)

Bianchi was definitely the most succesful coach in SouthAmerica, but I'd say that his ability to motivate players and handle groups overpassed his abilities as a tactician. That said he could teach a trick or two to any coach in the world.

I remember the game against Milan during his days at Boca for the intercontinental cup...he was worried about Ancelotti's FB's so he arranged for Boca players to make it look like our own FB's were on a streak scoring lots and lots of goals during practice and making sure that Ancelotti's men would see this...they were afraid of Clemente Rodriguez through the whole game, I mean fucking Cafú was told not to attack but rather be more worried about our own fb

Bianchi would be a better candidate for the "94-2004" period rather than the past decade

Isn't he considered the most succesful coach in South America's history or something. Genius idea about the full backs.

Messiah wrote:

EMP wrote:

Messiah wrote:Pep Guardiola isn't is obvious

He has won everything the he can win in only one season,which manager this decade can show such a record, may guess is none

And you would be wrong. Manuel Jose de Jesus won the treble+ in consecutive seasons with Al-Ahly - the only club and manager to achieve that this decade or any other for that matter.

He aslso won the Medal of Sport First Class - the only foreign coach to be awarded that honour.

was all of the done in his 1st year as a manager?, its Egypt Egypt

You need a geography lesson. Last time I checked winning the treble involved winning the Champion's League of your continent as well. It's Africa, Africa! - the same continent that Toure Yaya among others come from.

I voted Sir Alex Ferguson. 6 EPLs!!!!!