rate cl winning contenders on current form

1. chelsea
2. barcelona
3. bayern
4. manu
5. real

If that was home form maybe.. but Chelsea have been average away from home most of this season.

id rather not rate them on form

chelsea can win on every pitch in europe, only barca would be tricky

they destroyed everything in the group stage

1. Bordeaux
2. Barcelona
3. Chelsea
4. Olympiakos
5. Inter

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:id rather not rate them on form

and existing class

If ibra were scoring and henry wasn't henry, i would have put us at one, since the midfield is returning to its best and the defense, i one of the best in Europe so far this season.

1.?
2. Barca
3. Inter
4. Bayern
5. Chelsea

Messiah wrote:If ibra were scoring and henry wasn't henry, i would have put us at one, since the midfield is returning to its best and the defense, i one of the best in Europe so far this season.

1.?
2. Barca
3. Inter
4. Bayern
5. Chelsea

So basically you have Barca at number one but have decided to call it number two ?

Unless of course you are reserving the No1 spot for Arsenal

Barca

Real / Chelsea / United

Inter

(1) Chelsea
(2) Barca
(3) Bayern
(4) Bordeaux
(5) Real? United?

Out of all the english sides, I think they have the most complete team and they have shown this tournament is high priority for them. They drew Inter Milan, excellent team, but just like the French teams are benefiting in Europe from the current level of competitiveness in their league-Inter is going to struggle in Europe as long as Milan/Juventus walk around like boneless idiots on the field preventing them from experiencing high levels of domestic competition.

I think even though Barca are not as good as last season, they still have enough capabilities to push for the title this season. Part of me hopes that the big two spanish giants meet up in the final, and Real rapes them but we can all dream right, lol.

As for Bayern, they have enough capabilties offensively to compete with the best but defensively I'm not convinced. They will only get better with time though, so I wouldn't rule them out.

Anyone that watched Bordeaux in group stages and in France would agree that they are the wild card this season. Should be interesting to see who they draw in the next round, because they will upset some side, I'm sure of it.

COTR #6 wrote:

Messiah wrote:If ibra were scoring and henry wasn't henry, i would have put us at one, since the midfield is returning to its best and the defense, i one of the best in Europe so far this season.

1.?
2. Barca
3. Inter
4. Bayern
5. Chelsea

So basically you have Barca at number one but have decided to call it number two ?

Unless of course you are reserving the No1 spot for Arsenal

Barca

Real / Chelsea / United

Inter

No i was thinking Bordeaux, but didn't want to put a team in that i haven't seen much of this season.

OrangeSky wrote:(1) Chelsea
(2) Barca
(3) Bayern
(4) Bordeaux
(5) Real? United?

Out of all the english sides, I think they have the most complete team and they have shown this tournament is high priority for them. They drew Inter Milan, excellent team, but just like the French teams are benefiting in Europe from the current level of competitiveness in their league-Inter is going to struggle in Europe as long as Milan/Juventus walk around like boneless idiots on the field preventing them from experiencing high levels of domestic competition.

I think even though Barca are not as good as last season, they still have enough capabilities to push for the title this season. Part of me hopes that the big two spanish giants meet up in the final, and Real rapes them but we can all dream right, lol.

As for Bayern, they have enough capabilties offensively to compete with the best but defensively I'm not convinced. They will only get better with time though, so I wouldn't rule them out.

Anyone that watched Bordeaux in group stages and in France would agree that they are the wild card this season. Should be interesting to see who they draw in the next round, because they will upset some side, I'm sure of it.

What kind of Ajax fan are you

Messiah wrote:

OrangeSky wrote:(1) Chelsea
(2) Barca
(3) Bayern
(4) Bordeaux
(5) Real? United?

Out of all the english sides, I think they have the most complete team and they have shown this tournament is high priority for them. They drew Inter Milan, excellent team, but just like the French teams are benefiting in Europe from the current level of competitiveness in their league-Inter is going to struggle in Europe as long as Milan/Juventus walk around like boneless idiots on the field preventing them from experiencing high levels of domestic competition.

I think even though Barca are not as good as last season, they still have enough capabilities to push for the title this season. Part of me hopes that the big two spanish giants meet up in the final, and Real rapes them but we can all dream right, lol.

As for Bayern, they have enough capabilties offensively to compete with the best but defensively I'm not convinced. They will only get better with time though, so I wouldn't rule them out.

Anyone that watched Bordeaux in group stages and in France would agree that they are the wild card this season. Should be interesting to see who they draw in the next round, because they will upset some side, I'm sure of it.

What kind of Ajax fan are you

Exactly what I was about to post when I saw that comment. Already knew he was a very good poster but now he is a great one.

OrangeSky you are now a honoray Madridista.

Messiah wrote:If ibra were scoring and henry wasn't henry, i would have put us at one, since the midfield is returning to its best and the defense, i one of the best in Europe so far this season.

1.?
2. Barca
3. Inter
4. Bayern
5. Chelsea

Sorry, but Barca's midfield won't be at its best unless Pep will stop playing Busquets instead of Yaya Monstor...

Super Guti wrote:

Messiah wrote:

OrangeSky wrote:(1) Chelsea
(2) Barca
(3) Bayern
(4) Bordeaux
(5) Real? United?

Out of all the english sides, I think they have the most complete team and they have shown this tournament is high priority for them. They drew Inter Milan, excellent team, but just like the French teams are benefiting in Europe from the current level of competitiveness in their league-Inter is going to struggle in Europe as long as Milan/Juventus walk around like boneless idiots on the field preventing them from experiencing high levels of domestic competition.

I think even though Barca are not as good as last season, they still have enough capabilities to push for the title this season. Part of me hopes that the big two spanish giants meet up in the final, and Real rapes them but we can all dream right, lol.

As for Bayern, they have enough capabilties offensively to compete with the best but defensively I'm not convinced. They will only get better with time though, so I wouldn't rule them out.

Anyone that watched Bordeaux in group stages and in France would agree that they are the wild card this season. Should be interesting to see who they draw in the next round, because they will upset some side, I'm sure of it.

What kind of Ajax fan are you

Exactly what I was about to post when I saw that comment. Already knew he was a very good poster but now he is a great one.

OrangeSky you are now a honoray Madridista.

stinger wrote:

Messiah wrote:If ibra were scoring and henry wasn't henry, i would have put us at one, since the midfield is returning to its best and the defense, i one of the best in Europe so far this season.

1.?
2. Barca
3. Inter
4. Bayern
5. Chelsea

Sorry, but Barca's midfield won't be at its best unless Pep will stop playing Busquets instead of Yaya Monstor...

Of course, but at least he is starting to play Xaviesta again, we will see if he continues now that kieta is back.

Super Guti wrote:

Messiah wrote:

OrangeSky wrote:(1) Chelsea
(2) Barca
(3) Bayern
(4) Bordeaux
(5) Real? United?

Out of all the english sides, I think they have the most complete team and they have shown this tournament is high priority for them. They drew Inter Milan, excellent team, but just like the French teams are benefiting in Europe from the current level of competitiveness in their league-Inter is going to struggle in Europe as long as Milan/Juventus walk around like boneless idiots on the field preventing them from experiencing high levels of domestic competition.

I think even though Barca are not as good as last season, they still have enough capabilities to push for the title this season. Part of me hopes that the big two spanish giants meet up in the final, and Real rapes them but we can all dream right, lol.

As for Bayern, they have enough capabilties offensively to compete with the best but defensively I'm not convinced. They will only get better with time though, so I wouldn't rule them out.

Anyone that watched Bordeaux in group stages and in France would agree that they are the wild card this season. Should be interesting to see who they draw in the next round, because they will upset some side, I'm sure of it.

What kind of Ajax fan are you

Exactly what I was about to post when I saw that comment. Already knew he was a very good poster but now he is a great one.

OrangeSky you are now a honoray Madridista.

Why would I like Barca?

Six wrote:If that was home form maybe.. but Chelsea have been average away from home most of this season.

Why does that matter much in the CL? Get a 1-0 at home and lose 2-1 away, and they're through. Get a pair of draws and with enough away goals, they're through, etc.

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My rankings (assuming full fitness for each team):

1. Chelsea
2. Barcelona
3. Manchester United
4. Real Madrid
5. Inter (yes, I'm falling into the trap again)
6. Bordeaux
7. Arsenal
8. Bayern Munich
9. Milan
10. Porto
11. Fiorentina
12. Lyon
13. Sevilla
14. CSKA Moskow
15. Olympiakos
16. Stuttgart

1. Chelsea
2. Barca







The rest.

stinger wrote:

Super Guti wrote:

Messiah wrote:

OrangeSky wrote:(1) Chelsea
(2) Barca
(3) Bayern
(4) Bordeaux
(5) Real? United?

Out of all the english sides, I think they have the most complete team and they have shown this tournament is high priority for them. They drew Inter Milan, excellent team, but just like the French teams are benefiting in Europe from the current level of competitiveness in their league-Inter is going to struggle in Europe as long as Milan/Juventus walk around like boneless idiots on the field preventing them from experiencing high levels of domestic competition.

I think even though Barca are not as good as last season, they still have enough capabilities to push for the title this season. Part of me hopes that the big two spanish giants meet up in the final, and Real rapes them but we can all dream right, lol.

As for Bayern, they have enough capabilties offensively to compete with the best but defensively I'm not convinced. They will only get better with time though, so I wouldn't rule them out.

Anyone that watched Bordeaux in group stages and in France would agree that they are the wild card this season. Should be interesting to see who they draw in the next round, because they will upset some side, I'm sure of it.

What kind of Ajax fan are you

Exactly what I was about to post when I saw that comment. Already knew he was a very good poster but now he is a great one.

OrangeSky you are now a honoray Madridista.

OrangeSky is a woman?

kas wrote:

Six wrote:If that was home form maybe.. but Chelsea have been average away from home most of this season.

Why does that matter much in the CL? Get a 1-0 at home and lose 2-1 away, and they're through. Get a pair of draws and with enough away goals, they're through, etc.

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My rankings (assuming full fitness for each team):

1. Chelsea
2. Barcelona
3. Manchester United
4. Real Madrid
5. Inter (yes, I'm falling into the trap again)
6. Bordeaux
7. Arsenal
8. Bayern Munich
9. Milan
10. Porto
11. Fiorentina
12. Lyon
13. Sevilla
14. CSKA Moskow
15. Olympiakos
16. Stuttgart

I think it matters here because of Barca! I know you love to place yourselves as underdogs but Barcelona havent lost in the league all season, whilst Chelsea have lost 3 away and when they have won, its been scraping by. Barca have what, drawn a couple in a row at one point - massive dip in form eh? Even if you haven't been playing outstanding stuff, Chelsea certainly haven't consistently been doing that either.

Super Guti wrote:

stinger wrote:

Super Guti wrote:

Messiah wrote:

OrangeSky wrote:(1) Chelsea
(2) Barca
(3) Bayern
(4) Bordeaux
(5) Real? United?

Out of all the english sides, I think they have the most complete team and they have shown this tournament is high priority for them. They drew Inter Milan, excellent team, but just like the French teams are benefiting in Europe from the current level of competitiveness in their league-Inter is going to struggle in Europe as long as Milan/Juventus walk around like boneless idiots on the field preventing them from experiencing high levels of domestic competition.

I think even though Barca are not as good as last season, they still have enough capabilities to push for the title this season. Part of me hopes that the big two spanish giants meet up in the final, and Real rapes them but we can all dream right, lol.

As for Bayern, they have enough capabilties offensively to compete with the best but defensively I'm not convinced. They will only get better with time though, so I wouldn't rule them out.

Anyone that watched Bordeaux in group stages and in France would agree that they are the wild card this season. Should be interesting to see who they draw in the next round, because they will upset some side, I'm sure of it.

What kind of Ajax fan are you

Exactly what I was about to post when I saw that comment. Already knew he was a very good poster but now he is a great one.

OrangeSky you are now a honoray Madridista.

OrangeSky is a woman?

Yes, but is she hot?

It may seem like I always place Barça as an underdog but I always predict what I feel.

I don't think league form translates to CL form. Chelsea probably are the most desperate for the CL title out of any of that group of 16. Well, Real Madrid too but they're not a good enough team yet.

kas wrote:It may seem like I always place Barça as an underdog but I always predict what I feel.

I don't think league form translates to CL form. Chelsea probably are the most desperate for the CL title out of any of that group of 16. Well, Real Madrid too but they're not a good enough team yet.

Inter too, but they are probably still incomplete for the CL.

Black Magic wrote:

Super Guti wrote:

stinger wrote:

Super Guti wrote:

Messiah wrote:

OrangeSky wrote:(1) Chelsea
(2) Barca
(3) Bayern
(4) Bordeaux
(5) Real? United?

Out of all the english sides, I think they have the most complete team and they have shown this tournament is high priority for them. They drew Inter Milan, excellent team, but just like the French teams are benefiting in Europe from the current level of competitiveness in their league-Inter is going to struggle in Europe as long as Milan/Juventus walk around like boneless idiots on the field preventing them from experiencing high levels of domestic competition.

I think even though Barca are not as good as last season, they still have enough capabilities to push for the title this season. Part of me hopes that the big two spanish giants meet up in the final, and Real rapes them but we can all dream right, lol.

As for Bayern, they have enough capabilties offensively to compete with the best but defensively I'm not convinced. They will only get better with time though, so I wouldn't rule them out.

Anyone that watched Bordeaux in group stages and in France would agree that they are the wild card this season. Should be interesting to see who they draw in the next round, because they will upset some side, I'm sure of it.

What kind of Ajax fan are you

Exactly what I was about to post when I saw that comment. Already knew he was a very good poster but now he is a great one.

OrangeSky you are now a honoray Madridista.

OrangeSky is a woman?

Yes, but is she hot?

Who gives a shit. Knows a lot about football and dislikes Barca. It doesn't get much better then that.

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:

kas wrote:It may seem like I always place Barça as an underdog but I always predict what I feel.

I don't think league form translates to CL form. Chelsea probably are the most desperate for the CL title out of any of that group of 16. Well, Real Madrid too but they're not a good enough team yet.

Inter too, but they are probably still incomplete for the CL.

Incomplete in the mind, IMO we can compete with the best out there. I guess the games with Chelsea will tell whether we can compete or not. I don't expect Inter to sleep through this one, I expect a fight.

Lessor sides have won the CL...

bluenine wrote:

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:

kas wrote:It may seem like I always place Barça as an underdog but I always predict what I feel.

I don't think league form translates to CL form. Chelsea probably are the most desperate for the CL title out of any of that group of 16. Well, Real Madrid too but they're not a good enough team yet.

Inter too, but they are probably still incomplete for the CL.

Incomplete in the mind, IMO we can compete with the best out there. I guess the games with Chelsea will tell whether we can compete or not. I don't expect Inter to sleep through this one, I expect a fight.

Lessor sides have won the CL...

Wish i could say the same. I really want Inter to do well in the CL, but for the last few seasons i've been optimistic about them getting far only to be left disappointed. This time i'm not going to expect anything!

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:

bluenine wrote:

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:

kas wrote:It may seem like I always place Barça as an underdog but I always predict what I feel.

I don't think league form translates to CL form. Chelsea probably are the most desperate for the CL title out of any of that group of 16. Well, Real Madrid too but they're not a good enough team yet.

Inter too, but they are probably still incomplete for the CL.

Incomplete in the mind, IMO we can compete with the best out there. I guess the games with Chelsea will tell whether we can compete or not. I don't expect Inter to sleep through this one, I expect a fight.

Lessor sides have won the CL...

Wish i could say the same. I really want Inter to do well in the CL, but for the last few seasons i've been optimistic about them getting far only to be left disappointed. This time i'm not going to expect anything!

Me neither and especially since they missed out on Ledesma. When they struggle to keep the ball that much in Cl it isn't a coincidence. Same basic problems allthough at least they have Pandev now to add some creativity.

bluenine wrote:

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:

kas wrote:It may seem like I always place Barça as an underdog but I always predict what I feel.

I don't think league form translates to CL form. Chelsea probably are the most desperate for the CL title out of any of that group of 16. Well, Real Madrid too but they're not a good enough team yet.

Inter too, but they are probably still incomplete for the CL.

Incomplete in the mind, IMO we can compete with the best out there. I guess the games with Chelsea will tell whether we can compete or not. I don't expect Inter to sleep through this one, I expect a fight.

Lessor sides have won the CL...

Yeah thats how I feel about the matter. Inter plays with such a high level of confidence domestically, that it's a real shame that they have yet to translate that into European success. I think what helps though is acquiring players like Sneijder and Eto'o who have no reason to feel insecure or question their capabilities in Europe. You need to be consistent to win the league, god knows these competitions are based on draws that could systemtically favor you or not. To draw another English Powerhouse, when there are were French, Spanish and German sides there for the picking has got to suck as well. So good luck to Inter, but def not favorites in that draw!

OrangeSky wrote:

bluenine wrote:

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:

kas wrote:It may seem like I always place Barça as an underdog but I always predict what I feel.

I don't think league form translates to CL form. Chelsea probably are the most desperate for the CL title out of any of that group of 16. Well, Real Madrid too but they're not a good enough team yet.

Inter too, but they are probably still incomplete for the CL.

Incomplete in the mind, IMO we can compete with the best out there. I guess the games with Chelsea will tell whether we can compete or not. I don't expect Inter to sleep through this one, I expect a fight.

Lessor sides have won the CL...

Yeah thats how I feel about the matter. Inter plays with such a high level of confidence domestically, that it's a real shame that they have yet to translate that into European success. I think what helps though is acquiring players like Sneijder and Eto'o who have no reason to feel insecure or question their capabilities in Europe. You need to be consistent to win the league, god knows these competitions are based on draws that could systemtically favor you or not. To draw another English Powerhouse, when there are were French, Spanish and German sides there for the picking has got to suck as well. So good luck to Inter, but def not favorites in that draw!

To add to that, we have terrorised the opposition in Serie A for 4 years now, so they give us a lot of respect. When Inter play a Serie A game, its not only that our players are full of confidence, but also the opposition is a bit scared... In Europe, Inter players look edgy, while the opposition comes in with confidence.

We need some big wins to put this mental thing to bed. Games against a team like Chelsea are a perfect platform for this. But obviously, it won't be easy.... Chelsea will start as favourites in this tie, no doubt.

Özil wrote:1. chelsea
2. barcelona
3. bayern
4. manu
5. real

Özil wrote:chelsea can win on every pitch in europe, only barca would be tricky

they destroyed everything in the group stage

OrangeSky wrote:(1) Chelsea
(2) Barca
(3) Bayern
(4) Bordeaux
(5) Real? United?

Out of all the english sides, I think they have the most complete team and they have shown this tournament is high priority for them. They drew Inter Milan, excellent team, but just like the French teams are benefiting in Europe from the current level of competitiveness in their league-Inter is going to struggle in Europe as long as Milan/Juventus walk around like boneless idiots on the field preventing them from experiencing high levels of domestic competition.

kas wrote:

Six wrote:If that was home form maybe.. but Chelsea have been average away from home most of this season.

Why does that matter much in the CL? Get a 1-0 at home and lose 2-1 away, and they're through. Get a pair of draws and with enough away goals, they're through, etc.

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My rankings (assuming full fitness for each team):

1. Chelsea
2. Barcelona
3. Manchester United
4. Real Madrid
5. Inter (yes, I'm falling into the trap again)
6. Bordeaux
7. Arsenal
8. Bayern Munich
9. Milan
10. Porto
11. Fiorentina
12. Lyon
13. Sevilla
14. CSKA Moskow
15. Olympiakos
16. Stuttgart

Tweesus wrote:1. Chelsea
2. Barca







The rest.