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    Post by Kroos Wed Feb 03, 2010 12:20 pm

    vanbommel:

    - our (i like him, he thinks hes a german Wink) target must be to get the 4th cl place, and we start with it against Ac florenz
    -he believes football stars are more interested in the bundesliga now, because they realize the bundelsiga is more attractive then seriea and all the problems the league has


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    Post by Axeslammer Wed Feb 03, 2010 12:23 pm

    Von Bommel's a smart lad : he knows how not to bite the hand that feeds him Ale


    .....he also knows Dutchies have been able to sell *anything* to the Germans since the beginning of time Laugh

    Having said that : Ozil and Podolski really are the hottest talents on the planet Magic
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    Post by Fade out Wed Feb 03, 2010 12:26 pm

    Axeslammer wrote:Having said that : Ozil and Podolski Kroos really are the hottest talents on the planet Magic

    cheers
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    Post by anglophileHedgehog Wed Feb 03, 2010 12:27 pm

    Özil wrote:vanbommel:

    - our (i like him, he thinks hes a german Wink) target must be to get the 4th cl place, and we start with it against Ac florezn
    -he believes foootball stars are more interested in the bundesliga now, because they realize the bundelsiga is more attarctive then seriea and all the problems the league has
    I smell a Dutch conspiracy. Suspect
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    Post by Tweesus Wed Feb 03, 2010 12:32 pm

    If I were a footballer I'd rather join a Bundesliga club than a Serie A club.

    - better crowds
    - no corruption
    - no racism
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    Post by Kroos Wed Feb 03, 2010 12:33 pm

    Tweesus wrote:If I were a footballer I'd rather join a Bundesliga club than a Serie A club.

    - better crowds
    - no corruption
    - no racism

    less wages compared to italien top clubs Shocked
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    Post by Tweesus Wed Feb 03, 2010 12:35 pm

    Not massivle less though. And the German league seems to be more competitive.

    How does tax work out anyway? The wages may be less but I seem to remember tax in Italy is a lot higher on high earners.
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    Post by Calidad Wed Feb 03, 2010 2:08 pm

    Still think Serie A has the best depth out of any leagues. Genuine talent throughout.
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    Post by Axeslammer Wed Feb 03, 2010 2:20 pm

    Özil wrote:

    less wages compared to italien top clubs Shocked

    Toni on 10M a year in Germany !!! lol!


    There's no way he can be shite for that money anywhere else.

    As I said earlier : Germans will pay for *anything* as long as you properly hype it Ale




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    Post by BoBo Vieri 32 Wed Feb 03, 2010 2:26 pm

    Tweesus wrote:If I were a footballer I'd rather join a Bundesliga club than a Serie A club.

    - better crowds
    - no corruption
    - no racism

    Yeh because there has never been any corruption or racism in German football Rolling Eyes
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    Post by BoBo Vieri 32 Wed Feb 03, 2010 2:29 pm

    Axeslammer wrote:
    Özil wrote:

    less wages compared to italien top clubs Shocked

    Toni on 10M a year in Germany !!! lol!


    There's no way he can be shite for that money anywhere else.

    As I said earlier : Germans will pay for *anything* as long as you properly hype it Ale




    ....anyone want some of our export-tomatoes ? Razz

    Yeh, 38 goals in 60 games - so shite! Makaay must've been really shite in that case.
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    Post by Tweesus Wed Feb 03, 2010 2:40 pm

    BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:
    Tweesus wrote:If I were a footballer I'd rather join a Bundesliga club than a Serie A club.

    - better crowds
    - no corruption
    - no racism

    Yeh because there has never been any corruption or racism in German football Rolling Eyes

    Yeh, like twenty years ago.

    That's like saying that you wouldn't holiday in Bali because they're all cannibals Doh

    Germany WAS racist and corrupt, like twenty years ago.

    Italy IS racist and corrupt NOW.
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    Post by BoBo Vieri 32 Wed Feb 03, 2010 2:43 pm

    Tweesus wrote:
    BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:
    Tweesus wrote:If I were a footballer I'd rather join a Bundesliga club than a Serie A club.

    - better crowds
    - no corruption
    - no racism

    Yeh because there has never been any corruption or racism in German football Rolling Eyes

    Yeh, like twenty years ago.

    That's like saying that you wouldn't holiday in Bali because they're all cannibals Doh

    Germany WAS racist and corrupt, like twenty years ago.

    Italy IS racist and corrupt NOW.

    Doh

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundesliga_scandal_(2005)

    http://edition.cnn.com/2006/SPORT/football/09/27/germany.racism/index.html

    Again, you appear to have got your maths wrong tweeds. 2005/2006 was not 20 years ago.
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    Post by Axeslammer Wed Feb 03, 2010 2:49 pm

    BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:

    Yeh, 38 goals in 60 games - so shite! Makaay must've been really shite in that case.

    You clearly don't watch Bundesliga...

    Makaay was not on top of his game, but he still wasted very few chances....unlike a certain mister Toni.

    Look at Toni's EC performance.....or should we say *non*-performance ? Laugh

    Schweini and some other Germans even went on record to say how they missed Makaay, because he did *not* waste all those good chances given to him.

    In all honesty :

    * Gomez is almost just as bad, the amount of chances he misses is incredible.

    * Makaay is proving at Feyenoord how far over the hill he really is : it's time for the geriatrics ward for him.


    .....yet, to state Toni being anywhere near decent !!!

    Lol, don't make me laugh lol!
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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Wed Feb 03, 2010 2:59 pm

    Conclusion; They're all shite (apart from Roy, he was good for Super Depor)
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    Post by Axeslammer Wed Feb 03, 2010 3:14 pm

    The Santa Stalker™️ wrote:Conclusion; They're all shite (apart from Roy, he was good for Super Depor)

    Roy *was* good no doubt about it.

    ....just not in his German years (he had already degraded to decent at that time).

    Maybe Toni was also good in his Italian years : I wouldn't know, didn't see him play back then....so I have no judgment on that.


    I did see him play in Germany....and that was "crying with the hat on" as we say in Holland Wink
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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Wed Feb 03, 2010 3:23 pm

    Toni had that one amazing season for Fiorentina 5 years ago.
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    Post by OrangeSky Wed Feb 03, 2010 3:34 pm

    I agree with Van Bommel, never thought I'd say that. By continuing to do well in Europe, and anything on the lines of how the German sides did last year will guarentee that the Italians lose a spot in Europe to the Germans. Those things aren't set in stone. If the Italians continue to underachieve in Europe, and you all witnessed what Bayern did to Juve and what they will do to Viola...then I think it's very possible for the Germans.

    Personally, both of those leagues I have always loved so it doesn't matter to me. I like the culture and authenticity of Italian league, like someone already stated bottom German sides couldn't really touch the bottom Italian ones. Just overall a amazing league to watch. As for the Germans, grown up visiting Werder/Hamburg and BVB games. No one really brings the atmosphere that the Germans do, as well as competitiveness of the league is amazing as well. There are less people in Italy so not fair to throw fanbase/crowds into their faces, but both leagues have their own qualities that I admire.
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    Post by Ricardo Jol Wed Feb 03, 2010 4:13 pm

    Axeslammer wrote:
    The Santa Stalker™️ wrote:Conclusion; They're all shite (apart from Roy, he was good for Super Depor)

    Roy *was* good no doubt about it.

    ....just not in his German years (he had already degraded to decent at that time).

    Maybe Toni was also good in his Italian years : I wouldn't know, didn't see him play back then....so I have no judgment on that.


    I did see him play in Germany....and that was "crying with the hat on" as we say in Holland Wink

    He he "Crying with a hat on..." Your anti-German chip on your shoulder is also sometimes "crying with a hat on...." while you even support "the German 020 satelite club...."

    Doh

    Good old Roy trashed once your favourite 020 club when he played for Bayern. He scored a hattrick against them and he demolished the whole 020 abwehr that game.

    Ale

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    Post by BoBo Vieri 32 Wed Feb 03, 2010 5:44 pm

    Axeslammer wrote:
    BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:

    Yeh, 38 goals in 60 games - so shite! Makaay must've been really shite in that case.

    You clearly don't watch Bundesliga...

    Makaay was not on top of his game, but he still wasted very few chances....unlike a certain mister Toni.

    Look at Toni's EC performance.....or should we say *non*-performance ? Laugh

    Schweini and some other Germans even went on record to say how they missed Makaay, because he did *not* waste all those good chances given to him.

    In all honesty :

    * Gomez is almost just as bad, the amount of chances he misses is incredible.

    * Makaay is proving at Feyenoord how far over the hill he really is : it's time for the geriatrics ward for him.


    .....yet, to state Toni being anywhere near decent !!!

    Lol, don't make me laugh lol!

    So how can you explain Toni's better goals to game ratio?

    38 goals in 60 games is decent what ever way you look at it.
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    Post by Axeslammer Wed Feb 03, 2010 5:55 pm

    BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:

    So how can you explain Toni's better goals to game ratio?


    Bundesliga being like the Scottish league.

    If I got 10 chances per match even I would end up with some goals Ale

    BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:

    38 goals in 60 games is decent what ever way you look at it.

    No it isn't : numbers without context have no meaning.

    Even his teammates complained about his lack of efficiency : explain that.

    Van Gaal was having a terrible start, with his forwards missing too many chances : he still didn't call up Toni....explain that Ale


    Take the evidence we all saw : his performance at EC 2008.....explain that.

    Face it : Toni is a hasbeen.
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    Post by BoBo Vieri 32 Wed Feb 03, 2010 6:18 pm

    Axeslammer wrote:

    Bundesliga being like the Scottish league.

    If I got 10 chances per match even I would end up with some goals Ale

    Didn't really answer my question.

    And no you wouldn't score any goals in any league since you're a fat sack of shit Ale


    No it isn't : numbers without context have no meaning.

    Even his teammates complained about his lack of efficiency : explain that.

    Van Gaal was having a terrible start, with his forwards missing too many chances : he still didn't call up Toni....explain that Ale


    Take the evidence we all saw : his performance at EC 2008.....explain that.

    Face it : Toni is a hasbeen.

    Toni has good movement and can read the game. He'll get in all the right positions but misses a few more chances. A bit like Inzaghi but Toni has more to his game. Anyway, for all this talk of lack of efficiency, 38 goals in 60 games is still a pretty good return.

    Van Gaal doesn't like a striker of Toni's characteristics. He wants someone with more pace.

    EC2008 he was shite. But then that's not relevant here since we are talking about his Bundesliga performances.
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    Post by Super Progress Wed Feb 03, 2010 7:13 pm

    This thread lol!

    I like the German league but to claim it is stronger then the italian is strange unless you look at stuff like crowds and how well they are managed financially. In terms of quality they have the best strength in depth of all leagues. The big teams have failed big time in Europe and no doubt about that but yet they have still had Cl winner and a final appearance in the last 5 years.

    The German league might very well catch up in the big leagues of Europe but they still aren't there and I don't care too much about whether or not they get some more points due to German top teams doing well in Europa League.
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    Post by Fey Wed Feb 03, 2010 7:56 pm

    Bommelt has a fair point, I think the strength in depth is huge in the Bundesliga, a club like Hertha are rock bottom. What the Bundesliga really lacks is 1 or 2 real top clubs besides Bayern. If Bayern are shite, everyone can win it. Italy has three of them. If Milan and Juve dont win it, Inter wins it.

    The Serie A is just not from this time anymore, look at those stadiums ffs. Most of those are emty as well.
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    Post by Kroos Wed Feb 03, 2010 8:06 pm

    indeed, at least one top club besides bayern would be fine

    hsv
    schalke
    dortmund

    would be fine, all have history, a huge arena, they just need more money to upgrade there squads with some superstars
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    Post by Tweesus Thu Feb 04, 2010 10:54 am

    The claims about Serie A having talent at every level of the league is also bullshit. You could say the same about the EPL is you looked at it with tainted glasses - ie players like Geovanni and Bullard at Hull. If they both played in Serie A they'd be practically world class.
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    Post by BoBo Vieri 32 Thu Feb 04, 2010 12:57 pm

    I thought you had to play for one of the big 4 in the EPL to be considered world class.
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    Post by OrangeSky Thu Feb 04, 2010 2:43 pm

    Super Guti wrote:
    I like the German league but to claim it is stronger then the italian is strange unless you look at stuff like crowds and how well they are managed financially. In terms of quality they have the best strength in depth of all leagues. The big teams have failed big time in Europe and no doubt about that but yet they have still had Cl winner and a final appearance in the last 5 years.

    It isn't really about attendance of fans. Little fact though, Bundesliga.2 has a higher attendance than Serie A. Serie A is lacking competitiveness, in Germany the top 5 teams in the league are seperated by 9 points---that is the same as the difference between 1st and 2nd in Italy. That means offcourse to win the title in Germany this season, alot of teams are pushing themselves and each other which will only help them in Europe. If things don't change in Italy, they could gain a Europe spot IMO.

    Tweesus wrote:The claims about Serie A having talent at every level of the league is also bullshit. You could say the same about the EPL is you looked at it with tainted glasses - ie players like Geovanni and Bullard at Hull. If they both played in Serie A they'd be practically world class.

    Watch Catania or watch Hull City? Ummm.......the choice is so hard.
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    Post by bluenine Thu Feb 04, 2010 3:21 pm

    OrangeSky wrote:
    It isn't really about attendance of fans. Little fact though, Bundesliga.2 has a higher attendance than Serie A. Serie A is lacking competitiveness, in Germany the top 5 teams in the league are seperated by 9 points---that is the same as the difference between 1st and 2nd in Italy. That means offcourse to win the title in Germany this season, alot of teams are pushing themselves and each other which will only help them in Europe. If things don't change in Italy, they could gain a Europe spot IMO.

    Good posts there, Orange.

    I completely agree re top teams, Inter have had little in terms of competition, and that is hurting Serie A in europe. A LOT!

    However, just below the top 2-3, Serie A has a very high level of competiton for european spots. A couple of bad games, and Fiorentina have droped out of the top ten. Juve and 13th placed Parma are separated by just 5 points. This is the engine room of Serie A, which is keeping the league healthy. There is a wider distribution of talent across the league than some of the other top leagues.
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    Post by Axeslammer Thu Feb 04, 2010 7:38 pm

    bluenine wrote:Serie A has a very high level of competiton for european spots.

    Why though ?

    Italian sides outside the CL don't seem to take the competition serious(ly ?)...

    I might be mistaken, but that's the sincere impression I've gotten through the years.

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