Ibrahimovic - Biggest big game choker EVER?

Sure, he managed to score 2 goals against us, but it should be noted that by that point he was playing against Alex song as centre back - who isn't a centre back, and then faced possibly the EPL's worst keeper in goal.

Against Inter he came up against quality and yet again FAILED. The commentary team were taking the piss out of him! How can this guy be worth £45m?

Is it any coincidence that Inter FINALLY after selling him have made the final?

Is it any coincidence that Barca having signed him have FAILED to reach the final?

He's the world's biggest ever big game choker. WG

It must really burn you that he scored a brace against your team

Tweesus wrote:Sure, he managed to score 2 goals against us, but it should be noted that by that point he was playing against Alex song as centre back - who isn't a centre back, and then faced possibly the EPL's worst keeper in goal.

Against Inter he came up against quality and yet again FAILED. The commentary team were taking the piss out of him! How can this guy be worth £45m?

Is it any coincidence that Inter FINALLY after selling him have made the final?

Is it any coincidence that Barca having signed him have FAILED to reach the final?
He's the world's biggest ever big game choker. WG

I think he didnt played for inter the last 35 years or so.

I think we did failed to reach the final several times before we signed him.

And yes, his biggest problem is his movement in the box and around it. He is simply too slow for our play.

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:It must really burn you that he scored a brace against your team

I think I've dealt with that above.
- champinship keeper
- midfielder playing in defence

Its hardly top class defending you're up against if that's the case. Its worth noting that when Gallas was on the pitch, he choked

Tweesus wrote:Sure, he managed to score 2 goals against us, but it should be noted that by that point he was playing against Alex song as centre back - who isn't a centre back, and then faced possibly the EPL's worst keeper in goal.

Against Inter he came up against quality and yet again FAILED. The commentary team were taking the piss out of him! How can this guy be worth £45m?

Is it any coincidence that Inter FINALLY after selling him have made the final?

Is it any coincidence that Barca having signed him have FAILED to reach the final?

He's the world's biggest ever big game choker. WG

he'll alway have his critics but the fact is that in the 6 seasons since he took over Chelsea the club have won the Premier League, League Cup and FA Cup twice each. Most fans would be happy with that.

Yes.

Tweesus wrote:Sure, he managed to score 2 goals against us, but it should be noted that by that point he was playing against Alex song as centre back - who isn't a centre back, and then faced possibly the EPL's worst keeper in goal.

This is easy to say in hindsight. Unfair comment. They were good goals.

Tweesus wrote:Against Inter he came up against quality and yet again FAILED. The commentary team were taking the piss out of him! How can this guy be worth £45m?

Effectively 65m

Tweesus wrote:Is it any coincidence that Inter FINALLY after selling him have made the final?

No. They got a CL expert (Etoo) in exchange for Ibrahimovic (along with some other changes), and it shows.

Tweesus wrote:Is it any coincidence that Barca having signed him have FAILED to reach the final?

Yes. If the team played better and a few things went their way, Barça could have reached the final with (despite? ) Ibrahimovic.

Tweesus wrote:He's the world's biggest ever big game choker. WG

Probably, yeah. But I think the word "choker" is wrong. He's not a choker...it's just that he's not good enough for the absolute top level. Nowhere near world class.

Tweesus wrote:

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:It must really burn you that he scored a brace against your team

I think I've dealt with that above.
- champinship keeper
- midfielder playing in defence

Its hardly top class defending you're up against if that's the case. Its worth noting that when Gallas was on the pitch, he choked

How good the defending was is irrelevent. He scored two against you in a big game, he also scored against Stuttgart, hence not really much of a choker.

Sure he got owned by the CB partnership in the world last night, just like most other strikers (including Drogba) have this season.

I always said that.

Ibraha = Shit

Blue9 used to badmouth Ego'o earlier this season, but I told him to be patient, and see what the fucker is capable of..

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:

Sure he got owned by the CB partnership in the world last night, just like most other strikers (including Drogba) have this season.

Drogba at least impacted on the games - you could tell he was there! Ibrah was completely ANONYMOUS - and that, playing for a team that had 86% possession.

Its a travesty bobi, don't deny it. He's completely and utterly overrated. He's a slightly better but slightly more erratic Dimitar Berbatov.

I'm sure he'll make up for it in the World Cu....oh.

Royston Glennthe wrote:he'll alway have his critics but the fact is that in the 6 seasons since he took over Chelsea the club have won the Premier League, League Cup and FA Cup twice each. Most fans would be happy with that.

Nice try glenn, but he's clearly talking about our defender, Branislav, not Roman.

Tweesus wrote:Sure, he managed to score 2 goals against us, but it should be noted that by that point he was playing against Alex song as centre back - who isn't a centre back, and then faced possibly the EPL's worst keeper in goal.

Against Inter he came up against quality and yet again FAILED. The commentary team were taking the piss out of him! How can this guy be worth £45m?

Is it any coincidence that Inter FINALLY after selling him have made the final?

Is it any coincidence that Barca having signed him have FAILED to reach the final?

He's the world's biggest ever big game choker. WG

Its funny that everyone is getting on Ibra's case for "choking", when he has scored 3 goals in 5 games of CL KO stage this season.

In contrast, Eto'o has only scored 1 in 6 games...

Agendas

The difference is that Ibrahimovic plays shit whether he scores or not, and Eto'o plays well whether he scores or not.

Fenomeno wrote:I always said that.

Ibraha = Shit

Blue9 used to badmouth Ego'o earlier this season, but I told him to be patient, and see what the fucker is capable of..

Maybe it goes both ways?

Ibra & Eto'o are both finding it tough at their new clubs, but both are top players and soon they will come good.

If you think Ibra misses too many chances, then you should look at some of the sitters Eto'o has missed at critical moments for us. But I cannot doubt his work ethic & professionalism, the very reason why he was shown the door at Barca - at Inter its his main strength and the reason why we fans love him.

bluenine wrote:

Tweesus wrote:Sure, he managed to score 2 goals against us, but it should be noted that by that point he was playing against Alex song as centre back - who isn't a centre back, and then faced possibly the EPL's worst keeper in goal.

Against Inter he came up against quality and yet again FAILED. The commentary team were taking the piss out of him! How can this guy be worth £45m?

Is it any coincidence that Inter FINALLY after selling him have made the final?

Is it any coincidence that Barca having signed him have FAILED to reach the final?

He's the world's biggest ever big game choker. WG

Its funny that everyone is getting on Ibra's case for "choking", when he has scored 3 goals in 5 games of CL KO stage this season.

In contrast, Eto'o has only scored 1 in 6 games...

Agendas

Eto'o plays now for Inter, what do you expect?

And he has scored in 2 CL finals so people tend to give him credit.

Etoo's definitely a worse finisher than Ibrahimovic.


@Bluenine: Etoo's work ethic and professionalism (on the pitch) wasn't why he was shown the door! In fact, that was the biggest argument in favour of keeping him, the way he defends from the front...not sure where you got this idea from

Do feel sorry for him, cos I knew he'd get the blame if Barcelona didn't win the CL this season.

When Man Utd played so defensively in 2008, did Barcelona score?

When Chelsea did it in 2009 it took them into injury time of the 2nd leg to find a breakthrough.

Liverpool also showed in 2007 that if you are patient, Organised & DISCIPLINED, Barca can be snuffed out.

It's nothing that hasn't happened to them before so to pin it all on Ibrah is harsh.

Barca need to improve their away form in Europe before anything - and Zlatan scored 3 of their 4 away goals in the KO's this year.

kas wrote:Etoo's definitely a worse finisher than Ibrahimovic.


@Bluenine: Etoo's work ethic and professionalism (on the pitch) wasn't why he was shown the door! In fact, that was the biggest argument in favour of keeping him, the way he defends from the front...not sure where you got this idea from

Thats not what I said...

The Santa Stalker wrote:Do feel sorry for him, cos I knew he'd get the blame if Barcelona didn't win the CL this season.

When Man Utd played so defensively in 2008, did Barcelona score?

When Chelsea did it in 2009 it took them into injury time of the 2nd leg to find a breakthrough.

Liverpool also showed in 2007 that if you are patient, Organised & DISCIPLINED, Barca can be snuffed out.

It's nothing that hasn't happened to them before so to pin it all on Ibrah is harsh.

Barca need to improve their away form in Europe before anything - and Zlatan scored 3 of their 4 away goals in the KO's this year.

Agreed with everything except the comment on away form. Sure, it's been poor this season, but in general I don't see what's wrong with it?

bluenine wrote:

kas wrote:Etoo's definitely a worse finisher than Ibrahimovic.


@Bluenine: Etoo's work ethic and professionalism (on the pitch) wasn't why he was shown the door! In fact, that was the biggest argument in favour of keeping him, the way he defends from the front...not sure where you got this idea from

Thats not what I said...

I don't understand...so what do you love about him then?

Tweesus wrote:Against Inter he came up against quality and yet again FAILED. The commentary team were taking the piss out of him! How can this guy be worth £45m?

So Clive Tydlesley is the yardstick by which we measure a player's quality?



By your/his logic Ribery's one of the best players in the world.

He's without a doubt the most clueless pundit around, whose punditry consists solely of hyperbole and human interest stories. A commentator's role is to commentate on the action, not give his opinion. If I want someone's opinion on the match I'll look to the analyst, who has some idea of what's going on on the pitch.

I didn't bother to watch the match, as I knew exactly what would happen, but I did flick back and forth right until the point where he started spouting how noble a team they are for not carrying sponsorship.

The Santa Stalker wrote:Do feel sorry for him, cos I knew he'd get the blame if Barcelona didn't win the CL this season.

Don't. He's a conte.

When Man Utd played so defensively in 2008, did Barcelona score?

When Chelsea did it in 2009 it took them into injury time of the 2nd leg to find a breakthrough.

Liverpool also showed in 2007 that if you are patient, Organised & DISCIPLINED, Barca can be snuffed out.

It's nothing that hasn't happened to them before so to pin it all on Ibrah is harsh.

Barca need to improve their away form in Europe before anything - and Zlatan scored 3 of their 4 away goals in the KO's this year.

Its not that - its the fact that he was utter shite regardless of not scoring. He literally did NOTHING. Everything bounced off him he didn't do anything creatively in the entire game. This, for a player that is regarded as world class, with a magical touch and incredible craft and vision.

Even when he scored against us, he did nothing else than score those 2 goals - no amazing passes, no great hold up play, no wonderful first time touches - pretty much everything bounced off him in fact.

My issue with Ibrahamovic is he's a lazy conte to boot- fair enough if he'd been running around off the ball, trying to get into decent positions, chasing the centrebacks - simple fact is that he doesn't. I was watching him last night and his movement is non existent.

I don't see how if can work with Barcelona's attack which is comprised of small, quick players who run into space, play short one-twos - it's also why Eto'o worked so well for them, as he had the energy and work rate to make space for himself.

If they are going to insist on playing with a bigger guy upfront, they need someone with more pace and stamina.

He's not done too badly in La Liga in terms of finishing, but up against the top defences in the World he has yet to prove he can really cut it

Noah and the Bale wrote:My issue with Ibrahamovic is he's a lazy conte to boot- fair enough if he'd been running around off the ball, trying to get into decent positions, chasing the centrebacks - simple fact is that he doesn't. I was watching him last night and his movement is non existent.

I don't see how if can work with Barcelona's attack which is comprised of small, quick players who run into space, play short one-twos - it's also why Eto'o worked so well for them, as he had the energy and work rate to make space for himself.

If they are going to insist on playing with a bigger guy upfront, they need someone with more pace and stamina.

He's not done too badly in La Liga in terms of finishing, but up against the top defences in the World he has yet to prove he can really cut it

Someone like Milito or even Aliadebayor would have been a better option.

I'm still yet to be fully convinced by him.

Heard a stat that in the first leg (Inter vs Barca) Victor Valdes ran more than Zlatan during the match.

in answer to the title, i still think henry is a bigger big game choke.

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:in answer to the title, i still think henry is a bigger big game choke.

Not convinced. I remember Henry scoring a beauty at the Bernabeu to knock out Real Madrid in the quarters (?) not so long ago. Hat trick at Roma, hat trick at the San Siro - admittedly in the group stages, but the kind of feats in the CL that Ibra has yet to match

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/football/thierry-henry.html

Certainly better than Ibra's in my view anyway