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    Ibrahimovic - Biggest big game choker EVER?

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    Post by BoBo Vieri 32 Thu Apr 29, 2010 1:26 pm

    Noah and the Bale wrote:
    BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:in answer to the title, i still think henry is a bigger big game choke.

    Not convinced. I remember Henry scoring a beauty at the Bernabeu to knock out Real Madrid in the quarters (?) not so long ago. Hat trick at Roma, hat trick at the San Siro - admittedly in the group stages, but the kind of feats in the CL that Ibra has yet to match

    Yeh like you said, round of 16 and group stages, not really big games. His record in semi finals and finals is terrible, especially when you take into account that he's played with some of the most creative players of the last generation.
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    Post by Super Progress Thu Apr 29, 2010 1:44 pm

    Romford Pele wrote:
    Noah and the Bale wrote:My issue with Ibrahamovic is he's a lazy conte to boot- fair enough if he'd been running around off the ball, trying to get into decent positions, chasing the centrebacks - simple fact is that he doesn't. I was watching him last night and his movement is non existent.

    I don't see how if can work with Barcelona's attack which is comprised of small, quick players who run into space, play short one-twos - it's also why Eto'o worked so well for them, as he had the energy and work rate to make space for himself.

    If they are going to insist on playing with a bigger guy upfront, they need someone with more pace and stamina.

    He's not done too badly in La Liga in terms of finishing, but up against the top defences in the World he has yet to prove he can really cut it

    Someone like Milito or even Aliadebayor would have been a better option. Ale

    I'm still yet to be fully convinced by him.
    I don't know about Milito but Adebayor would actually have made quite a bit of sense. The only reason I thought it was stupid at the time was he would have had a huge price tag.

    Batman wrote:Heard a stat that in the first leg (Inter vs Barca) Victor Valdes ran more than Zlatan during the match.
    I don't think that was completely true. From what I remember Zlatan ran a bit more then Valdes in that game but if you look at Valdes' running in Arsenal then yes he ran more the Zlatan.

    BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:
    Noah and the Bale wrote:
    BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:in answer to the title, i still think henry is a bigger big game choke.

    Not convinced. I remember Henry scoring a beauty at the Bernabeu to knock out Real Madrid in the quarters (?) not so long ago. Hat trick at Roma, hat trick at the San Siro - admittedly in the group stages, but the kind of feats in the CL that Ibra has yet to match

    Yeh like you said, round of 16 and group stages, not really big games. His record in semi finals and finals is terrible, especially when you take into account that he's played with some of the most creative players of the last generation.
    Contrary to popularly belief Zlatans best chance to make his mark was for Inter because they played a system that suited him. The problem there was that he had nobody else who had any creativity or even great players to pass to. In Serie A Inter could steamroll the teams and Zlatan didn't struggle as much but in Europe their team got exposed for lack of the athletic ability(compard to England) and most certainly their lack of any creative players. He just isn't quite suited for the top game.

    If he was a battering ram who was creative then he would be a force but he is a SS who is big and strong.
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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Thu Apr 29, 2010 2:57 pm

    Yeah I agree, he's an SS in a TM's Body.
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    Post by Super Progress Thu Apr 29, 2010 2:57 pm

    The Santa Stalker™️ wrote:Yeah I agree, he's an SS in a TM's Body.
    ok
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    Post by DeLux Thu Apr 29, 2010 4:16 pm

    Super Madrid wrote:
    The Santa Stalker™️ wrote:Yeah I agree, he's an SS in a TM's Body.
    ok

    Hmm. A tall and "lazy" SS. Who does that remind me of?

    I'm sure had Barca gone out with a Milito-type, battering ram of a forward people would just level other, but similar, complaints - "He can't hold up the ball", "all he does is score" etc
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    Post by Pierre Littbarski Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:22 pm

    He is not even the biggest choker at the club - 3rd behind Agbonlahenry and Messi.
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    Post by BoBo Vieri 32 Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:55 pm

    Olé wrote:
    Super Madrid wrote:
    The Santa Stalker™️ wrote:Yeah I agree, he's an SS in a TM's Body.
    ok

    Hmm. A tall and "lazy" SS. Who does that remind me of?

    Bergkamp?
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    Post by Dick Grayson Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:57 pm

    Berbatov is the biggest game choker ever!!!
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    Post by Romford Pele Thu Apr 29, 2010 9:03 pm

    BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:
    Olé wrote:
    Super Madrid wrote:
    The Santa Stalker™️ wrote:Yeah I agree, he's an SS in a TM's Body.
    ok

    Hmm. A tall and "lazy" SS. Who does that remind me of?

    Bergkamp?

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    Post by Super Progress Thu Apr 29, 2010 10:59 pm

    Olé wrote:
    Super Madrid wrote:
    The Santa Stalker™️ wrote:Yeah I agree, he's an SS in a TM's Body.
    ok

    Hmm. A tall and "lazy" SS. Who does that remind me of?

    I'm sure had Barca gone out with a Milito-type, battering ram of a forward people would just level other, but similar, complaints - "He can't hold up the ball", "all he does is score" etc
    I wouldn't exactly say Milito is a battering ram though. Drogba/Iaquinta/Torres or even Rooney is players I would say could have done a bit more damage. I was talking about a striker type that can hold up the ball but also hassle the defenders. I you misunderstood me, because I didn't mean a poacher.

    Tall and lazy SS? Berbatov?
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    Post by S4P Fri Apr 30, 2010 12:08 am

    Barcelona's last 4 CL semi-finals at the Nou Camp:

    Barcelona 0-0 AC Milan
    Barcelona 0-0 Manchester United
    Barcelona 0-0 Chelsea
    Barcelona 1-0 Inter Milan

    So there has clearly been a progression since Ibrahimovic joined Whistle Wink

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