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Jose wants Ashley Cole, Lampard and Gerrard

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Who is most likely to go?

Lampard: [ 1 ]; [4%]

Gerrard: [ 4 ]; [16%]

A.Cole: [ 4 ]; [16%]

None of them will go: [ 12 ]; [48%]

All of them will go: [ 3 ]; [12%]

2 will go: [ 1 ]; [4%]

Total Votes: 25

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Post n°1

Jose wants Ashley Cole, Lampard and Gerrard

by Luis Fri May 28, 2010 3:30 pm

Which one or more are most likely to join Mourinho at Real Madrid?

Personally I think Lampard is most likely to go. He's only got 2 or 3 more years left at the top and it's a chance for him to join Mourinho once again.

You could say the same for Gerrard but IMO Mourinho would want Lampard more than Gerrard and I really doubt Gerrard's family will want to move to Madrid.

Ashley Cole could be quite likely to go as well, there's not much left for him in England with his split from Cheryl, I think he'd want to get away and work with Mourinho again.

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Re: Jose wants Ashley Cole, Lampard and Gerrard

by fcb Fri May 28, 2010 3:33 pm

Ashley Cole is the most likely because Madrid think Marcelo isn't a good enough LB Rolling Eyes

But if I had to put my money on one of these options, I'd say none of them.

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Post n°3

Re: Jose wants Ashley Cole, Lampard and Gerrard

by Super Progress Fri May 28, 2010 3:34 pm

I don't think any of them will come and hopefully that will be the case. Cole is the most likely but I figure he won't leave England despite his problems there.

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Re: Jose wants Ashley Cole, Lampard and Gerrard

by Guest Fri May 28, 2010 3:34 pm

Would love for Gerrard/lampard to join

a midfield with kaka and lampard/gerrard is just ....

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Post n°5

Re: Jose wants Ashley Cole, Lampard and Gerrard

by Jaime Fri May 28, 2010 3:41 pm

kas wrote:Ashley Cole is the most likely because Madrid think Marcelo isn't a good enough LB

But if I had to put my money on one of these options, I'd say none of them.

He most certainly is not good enough for left back. You know this is true so quit rolling your eyes, pretending that we are being over critical. You wouldn't take him as left back either. He is good going forward but has not improved one bit defensively since he came to Europe. Maybe he can play left back against Xerez but not one manager has trusted him as left back in an important match. Not Capello, not Schuster, not Juande, not Pellegrini, not Dunga.

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Post n°6

Re: Jose wants Ashley Cole, Lampard and Gerrard

by Super Progress Fri May 28, 2010 4:58 pm

Jaime wrote:

kas wrote:Ashley Cole is the most likely because Madrid think Marcelo isn't a good enough LB

But if I had to put my money on one of these options, I'd say none of them.

He most certainly is not good enough for left back. You know this is true so quit rolling your eyes, pretending that we are being over critical. You wouldn't take him as left back either. He is good going forward but has not improved one bit defensively since he came to Europe. Maybe he can play left back against Xerez but not one manager has trusted him as left back in an important match. Not Capello, not Schuster, not Juande, not Pellegrini, not Dunga.

Marcelo has been at this club since 2007 without a big change defensively allthough he has improved offensively. He might improve in the future but so far he hasn't proven that he can truly be trusted against good teams.

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Re: Jose wants Ashley Cole, Lampard and Gerrard

by christmasborocooper Fri May 28, 2010 5:26 pm

kas wrote:Ashley Cole is the most likely because Madrid think Marcelo isn't a good enough LB

But if I had to put my money on one of these options, I'd say none of them.

He clearly isnt. If you think that guy is a good left back you are a fucking mental patient.

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Re: Jose wants Ashley Cole, Lampard and Gerrard

by Jaime Fri May 28, 2010 5:47 pm

borocooper wrote:

kas wrote:Ashley Cole is the most likely because Madrid think Marcelo isn't a good enough LB

But if I had to put my money on one of these options, I'd say none of them.

He clearly isnt. If you think that guy is a good left back you are a fucking mental patient.

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Re: Jose wants Ashley Cole, Lampard and Gerrard

by Aristoskank Fri May 28, 2010 6:48 pm

All of them will go.

It's silly season, so why not?

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Re: Jose wants Ashley Cole, Lampard and Gerrard

by The-Frank-Tavern Fri May 28, 2010 7:35 pm

gerrard n cashley, IF he genuinely wants them

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Post n°11

Re: Jose wants Ashley Cole, Lampard and Gerrard

by Luis Fri May 28, 2010 9:29 pm

I think Mourinho genuinely wants Lampard and Cole. He's aleays had a bit of an obsession with Stevie though, since he tried to get him twice in his Chelsea days, maybe he only wants him to prove he can get him.

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Re: Jose wants Ashley Cole, Lampard and Gerrard

by fcb Sat May 29, 2010 7:58 am

Giovani van Bronckhorst wasn't a good enough LB either, but Barça did fine with him. The point is, if you invest in a 20 year old and he doesn't turn out to be Maldini in his prime, you can't just make a bigger signing and replace him (or move him to a backup role in the team). Either let him improve (which won't happen by changing coaches and tactical systems every season) or build your tactics in such a way that it emphasises his strengths but reduces his weaknesses. That's what any correctly managed squad and tactical system is supposed to do.

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Re: Jose wants Ashley Cole, Lampard and Gerrard

by christmasborocooper Sat May 29, 2010 11:17 am

Or..they just realise that this guy is not a left back and move on. Just stick him on the left wing. Why play someone who cant defend, in defence?

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Re: Jose wants Ashley Cole, Lampard and Gerrard

by TM Sat May 29, 2010 12:13 pm

borocooper wrote:Or..they just realise that this guy is not a left back and move on. Just stick him on the left wing. Why play someone who cant defend, in defence?

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Re: Jose wants Ashley Cole, Lampard and Gerrard

by Puro Sun May 30, 2010 12:20 am

I sincerely hope that all THREE of them are starters for Real Madrid next season. Not only starters, but that Real Madrid play Lampard AND Gerrard as central midfielders.

I can't wait to see them play central midfield in La Liga, and Ashley Cole as left back. How about that Kas! You'd think the Madridistas would agree with having them on the team, no?

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Re: Jose wants Ashley Cole, Lampard and Gerrard

by Jaime Sun May 30, 2010 3:37 am

kas wrote:Giovani van Bronckhorst wasn't a good enough LB either, but Barça did fine with him. The point is, if you invest in a 20 year old and he doesn't turn out to be Maldini in his prime, you can't just make a bigger signing and replace him (or move him to a backup role in the team). Either let him improve (which won't happen by changing coaches and tactical systems every season) or build your tactics in such a way that it emphasises his strengths but reduces his weaknesses. That's what any correctly managed squad and tactical system is supposed to do.

And what if he does not improve? I'm pretty sure that no matter what coach or what tactical system is employed, marking the other team's right winger is pretty much the job of the left back. Also jumping to head crosses away from danger is a pretty minimal expectation. We are not asking for Maldini in his prime, we are asking for a reasonable left back that is even the slightest bit competent at defending. I don't think this is too much to ask.

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Re: Jose wants Ashley Cole, Lampard and Gerrard

by fcb Sun May 30, 2010 6:28 am

I wonder how much of an impact that goal against Sevilla has had on Marcelo's reputation...

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Re: Jose wants Ashley Cole, Lampard and Gerrard

by christmasborocooper Sun May 30, 2010 9:34 am

Any credible manager will be moving this guy to the wing or selling him. He's quick, skillful, seems to strike the ball well..but not very good when it comes to defending.. Pop quiz for the silly, which of those attributes seems out of place for a defender?

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Re: Jose wants Ashley Cole, Lampard and Gerrard

by Jaime Sun May 30, 2010 11:10 am

kas wrote:I wonder how much of an impact that goal against Sevilla has had on Marcelo's reputation...

It only served to reinforce everything we already knew about him from the previous two and a half years. Nothing has changed ffs!

You still don't have an explanation for why no manager will play him as left back in an important match.

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Re: Jose wants Ashley Cole, Lampard and Gerrard

by Pras_tama Sun May 30, 2010 11:30 am

Was Roberto Carlos good at defense?

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Re: Jose wants Ashley Cole, Lampard and Gerrard

by Super Progress Sun May 30, 2010 1:53 pm

kas wrote:I wonder how much of an impact that goal against Sevilla has had on Marcelo's reputation...

It wouldn't have been so bad if he hadn't repeated that exact same problem a year before against Betis where they got two goals in exactly that manner. I like Marcelo but I can no longer defend his lack of defensive ability. He is a bad marker and very inconsistent in one on one's. If he has a good enough contribution offensively then a case might be made for him being allowed some freedom with somebody providing cover but that could harm the rest of the team.

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Re: Jose wants Ashley Cole, Lampard and Gerrard

by Jaime Sun May 30, 2010 4:09 pm

SLG wrote:Was Roberto Carlos good at defense?

He was a much better defender than people give him credit for. His biggest flaw was he would bomb forward and leave space behind him. But his 1 v 1 defending was very good, his tackling was very good, and his marking was acceptable when he got around to tracking back.

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