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    Post by Ä Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:14 pm

    there is the old saying that you CANNOT practice penalties

    you just cannot recreate the special atmosphere and pressure of a World Cup game

    still

    it seems that Germans , for instance, HAVE often trained them

    speaking of the World Cup in 1990, where Beckenbauer led Germany to the title

    the KAISER says that they practiced penalties after EVERY training session

    or rather, the designated penalty takers DID

    he says that he had NO DOUBTS AT ALL Germany would beat England

    in the Semis

    when it came to penalties

    because after all the training sessions, penalties had become second nature to Brehme and Co

    " our boys were so good, they could have shot down a fly on the crossbar "

    for the 2006 World Cup

    Klinsi and Löw even devised a special way of training penalties

    or rather, the psychologist did

    in order to build up pressure and train PRECISION

    the penalty taker would have to ANNOUNCE which corner he would PICK

    meanwhile, some of the other players would move frantically BEHIND the goal and make noises, in order to distract the sharp-shooter

    in the Sommermärchen documentary

    there is the funny scene where Borowski tells Hildebrand which corner he has chosen

    and Hilde STILL cannot save the ball

    to the hilarity of the players

    LATER

    Hilde would ask the film director to CUT the scene from the movie

    Laugh

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    as far as I understand Capello is also practising penalties

    McLaren, in the past, did NOT though

    so

    a) what does penalty practise look like with your national team ?

    b) do you have enough sharp-shooters for a penalty shoot out ?

    in Germany, now that Ballack, Frings, Kuranyi are out

    we only have

    Poldi, Schweini and Jansen

    the OTHERS I am not sure about

    Neutral

    this time, we could actually lose penalties against Argentina in the Quarters

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    Post by Ä Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:23 pm

    ah

    by the way

    a new penalty RULE has been introduced for this World Cup

    you are no longer allowed to start, then stop , wait and take it then

    it seems the penalty has to be taken in one go/movement

    I wonder who will be affected by that
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    Post by Tweesus Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:24 pm

    Well Rooney, Milner, Gerrard and Lampard are the penalty takers for their respective clubs.

    They're all very decent IMO although Lampard is in a bit of a penalty rut at the moment, having missed the last two.

    Ashley Cole is likely to be our fifth penalty taker and he's pretty decent at them.

    Barry used to be the penalty taker at Villa before he moved - he's a bit erratic with them though and I'd be worried for us if he stepped up to take one.
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    Post by debaser Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:26 pm

    Ä wrote:ah

    by the way

    a new penalty RULE has been introduced for this World Cup

    you are no longer allowed to start, then stop , wait and take it then

    it seems the penalty has to be taken in one go/movement

    I wonder who will be affected by that

    I pray that Ronaldo gets called up on that one. In a crucial shoot-out. And then misses his retake Biggrin
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    Post by fcb Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:29 pm

    debaser wrote:
    Ä wrote:ah

    by the way

    a new penalty RULE has been introduced for this World Cup

    you are no longer allowed to start, then stop , wait and take it then

    it seems the penalty has to be taken in one go/movement

    I wonder who will be affected by that

    I pray that Ronaldo gets called up on that one. In a crucial shoot-out. And then misses his retake Biggrin

    ok

    Every non-Portuguese football fan in the world would cheer if that happened.


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    Post by debaser Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:29 pm

    Tweesus wrote:Well Rooney, Milner, Gerrard and Lampard are the penalty takers for their respective clubs.

    They're all very decent IMO although Lampard is in a bit of a penalty rut at the moment, having missed the last two.

    Ashley Cole is likely to be our fifth penalty taker and he's pretty decent at them.

    Barry used to be the penalty taker at Villa before he moved - he's a bit erratic with them though and I'd be worried for us if he stepped up to take one.

    Barry's very good at pens. Would trust him more than most others you listed when it comes to England (just have to remember 06 to never trust Gerrard and Lampard again in a shootout).

    But England players of this generation seem to just fall to pieces as soon as it comes to a big shoot out (Hargreaves aside). Would not be confident against anyone!
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    Post by Tweesus Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:31 pm

    Wasn't Gerrard's penalty quite good at the WC06 though? Its just that Ricardo did fantastically to save it?

    My memory of it may be shady...
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    Post by Ä Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:34 pm

    Capello seems to have instilled a new confidence in the players

    maybe it does the trick

    the Dutch seem to have a few very decent penalty takers these days

    robben, vdv, persie..

    van Bommel should also be decent
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    Post by Hlebagone Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:36 pm

    Tweesus wrote:Wasn't Gerrard's penalty quite good at the WC06 though? Its just that Ricardo did fantastically to save it?

    My memory of it may be shady...

    Neither Lampards nor Gerrards were terrible. Ricardo was out of this world. Only Carraghers was truly shocking.
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    Post by debaser Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:40 pm

    Tweesus wrote:Wasn't Gerrard's penalty quite good at the WC06 though? Its just that Ricardo did fantastically to save it?

    My memory of it may be shady...

    Nope. It was a nice height and middle left. Keeper only had to dive the right way, nothing outlandish. Watch the shootout here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2iNGFRtLkI

    Gerrard looks terrified walking up (as did Lampard). As soon as you saw him, you knew he'd miss and he did.

    That was the crucial one as well. 1-1, Portugal had just missed 2 in a row. We'd have gone 2-1 up and got the momentum. But he failed No

    --

    Also, we have to pray we don't use 'penalty specialist' Carragher again. He was brought on a sub just to take a penalty...and then was so dopey he took the thing before the ref whistled and had to re-take (and miss) Doh
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    Post by Tweesus Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:44 pm

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    Post by Ricardo Jol Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:46 pm

    to practise always help. period..

    However, I doubt when you just train it a few times just before the tourney or whatever it probably doesn't help that much.
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    Post by Hlebagone Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:17 pm

    Hlebagone wrote:
    Tweesus wrote:Wasn't Gerrard's penalty quite good at the WC06 though? Its just that Ricardo did fantastically to save it?

    My memory of it may be shady...

    Neither Lampards nor Gerrards were terrible. Ricardo was out of this world. Only Carraghers was truly shocking.

    Changed my mind. Gerrard's was pretty poor.
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    Post by Axeslammer Mon Jun 07, 2010 3:13 pm

    Ä wrote:

    the Dutch seem to have a few very decent penalty takers these days

    robben, vdv, persie..

    van Bommel should also be decent

    We've also broken our duck (is that the right expression ?) in 2004 by winning on penalties to Sweden.....so we might even have some self confidence this time.
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    Post by Jaime Mon Jun 07, 2010 3:21 pm

    kas wrote:
    debaser wrote:
    Ä wrote:ah

    by the way

    a new penalty RULE has been introduced for this World Cup

    you are no longer allowed to start, then stop , wait and take it then

    it seems the penalty has to be taken in one go/movement

    I wonder who will be affected by that

    I pray that Ronaldo gets called up on that one. In a crucial shoot-out. And then misses his retake Biggrin

    ok

    Every non-Portuguese football fan in the world would cheer if that happened.

    Doesn't Simao take them like this as well?
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    Post by fcb Mon Jun 07, 2010 3:30 pm

    Jaime wrote:
    kas wrote:
    debaser wrote:
    Ä wrote:ah

    by the way

    a new penalty RULE has been introduced for this World Cup

    you are no longer allowed to start, then stop , wait and take it then

    it seems the penalty has to be taken in one go/movement

    I wonder who will be affected by that

    I pray that Ronaldo gets called up on that one. In a crucial shoot-out. And then misses his retake Biggrin

    ok

    Every non-Portuguese football fan in the world would cheer if that happened.

    Doesn't Simao take them like this as well?

    Maybe. But he's not a high profile c*nt like Ronaldo is Ale
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    Post by EM Seleção e Selecção Mon Jun 07, 2010 10:50 pm

    kas wrote:
    Jaime wrote:
    kas wrote:
    debaser wrote:
    Ä wrote:ah

    by the way

    a new penalty RULE has been introduced for this World Cup

    you are no longer allowed to start, then stop , wait and take it then

    it seems the penalty has to be taken in one go/movement

    I wonder who will be affected by that

    I pray that Ronaldo gets called up on that one. In a crucial shoot-out. And then misses his retake Biggrin

    ok

    Every non-Portuguese football fan in the world would cheer if that happened.

    Doesn't Simao take them like this as well?
    Figo started that movement

    Maybe. But he's not a high profile c*nt like Ronaldo is Ale
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    Post by EM Seleção e Selecção Mon Jun 07, 2010 10:51 pm

    debaser wrote:
    Tweesus wrote:Wasn't Gerrard's penalty quite good at the WC06 though? Its just that Ricardo did fantastically to save it?

    My memory of it may be shady...

    Nope. It was a nice height and middle left. Keeper only had to dive the right way, nothing outlandish. Watch the shootout here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2iNGFRtLkI

    Gerrard looks terrified walking up (as did Lampard). As soon as you saw him, you knew he'd miss and he did.

    That was the crucial one as well. 1-1, Portugal had just missed 2 in a row. We'd have gone 2-1 up and got the momentum. But he failed No

    --

    Also, we have to pray we don't use 'penalty specialist' Carragher again. He was brought on a sub just to take a penalty...and then was so dopey he took the thing before the ref whistled and had to re-take (and miss) Doh
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    Post by Ä Mon Jun 07, 2010 10:57 pm

    statistically

    the difference between English and German penalties

    the Englanders are TOO IMPATIENT

    once the ref whistles, an English player only needs 0.28 seconds to get his body into motion, almost as if he could not wait to get it over with

    the German wait 0.64 seconds

    also English penalty takers are afraid to establish eye-contact with the goalie

    more than 50% do try to look away

    only 1/3 of the Germans AVERT eye-contact

    the rest look straight into the eyes of the enemy goalie
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    Post by L r dd Mon Jun 07, 2010 11:16 pm

    kas wrote:
    debaser wrote:
    Ä wrote:ah

    by the way

    a new penalty RULE has been introduced for this World Cup

    you are no longer allowed to start, then stop , wait and take it then

    it seems the penalty has to be taken in one go/movement

    I wonder who will be affected by that

    I pray that Ronaldo gets called up on that one. In a crucial shoot-out. And then misses his retake Biggrin

    ok

    Every non-Portuguese football fan in the world would cheer if that happened.

    Not true Evil or Very Mad
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    Post by christmasborocooper Mon Jun 07, 2010 11:20 pm

    I really dont feel like I can trust any of our takers apart from Barry.

    Lampard and Gerrard have the history of missing important pens for England. Rooney I dunno..there's something about him, I think he'd try and place it bottom left and the keeper will guess it.

    I think Milner would Paul Ince it.

    Jamie Theakston should be in goal for us though.
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    Post by L r dd Mon Jun 07, 2010 11:25 pm

    I want a penalty shoot out we have to overcome it. Hopefully in the SF the final would be impossible to watch you cant say anything now but at the time it'd be to heart racing i wouldn't want to risk a genuine heart attack.

    Rooney wouldn't bottle it but his pens aint the best.
    Lampard i'd trust.
    Gerrard i hope would now be confident he'd score.
    Barry no idea
    Milner who knows.

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