The Next England Squad

Defender Terry has hurt his right hamstring and glute muscles and has spoken personally to the England management team.

Hope he got raped.

GK: Scott Carson, Ben Foster, Joe Hart
Def: Gary Cahill, Ashley Cole, Michael Dawson, Kieran Gibbs, Phil Jagielka, Glen Johnson, Joleon Lescott, Matthew Upson
Mid: Gareth Barry, Michael Carrick, Steven Gerrard, Adam Johnson, James Milner, Theo Walcott, Shaun Wright-Phillips, Ashley Young
Fwd: Darren Bent, Carlton Cole, Peter Crouch, Jermain Defoe, Wayne Rooney

He picks Carrick but not MilkFloat

Bizarre

Seems a better squad than last time

Scott Carson?! What the fuck?

england have so little talent i don't know why the fans get pissed when they don't go far in big tournaments

Messiah wrote:england have so little talent i don't know why the fans get pissed when they don't go far in big tournaments

The new generation is coming Yankee.




We are lacking in certain positions, the players aren't so bad though that a decent team can't be formed. I've said it 100 times before, people have to stop thinking about it in terms of individuals.

he looked good when i saw him the other day.

can be no worst than the other english strikers, bar rooney

Khadrim wrote:GK: Scott Carson, Ben Foster, Joe Hart
Def: Gary Cahill, Ashley Cole, Michael Dawson, Kieran Gibbs, Phil Jagielka, Glen Johnson, Joleon Lescott, Matthew Upson
Mid: Gareth Barry, Michael Carrick, Steven Gerrard, Adam Johnson, James Milner, Theo Walcott, Shaun Wright-Phillips, Ashley Young
Fwd: Darren Bent, Carlton Cole, Peter Crouch, Jermain Defoe, Wayne Rooney

From that lot...

..............................Hart.........................

G.Johnson.....Jagielka.....Lescott.....A.Cole

...................Carrick.....Barry..................

.......A.Johnson.....Gerrard.....Young.........

..........................Rooney.........................


No Huddlestone

Huddlestone + Rodwell > Carrick & Barry


I'll allow Walmart getting picked (good form 'n' all) but WTF is up with the choice of SWP instead of Lennon?!


agree with Kimbo re the future;

---------------------------Hart

Kyle Walker----Jagielka-------Lescott---------Cashley

---------------Huddlestone-----Rodwell

Lennon----------------Rooney-----------------A.Johnson

-------------------------Carroll

To the right honourable Deluded Fuck.

Can I put forward my personal opposition to the Huddlestone bandwagon, on the grounds he is overrated and looked as bad as Carrick in an England shirt when we played against Japan.

Thank you

Khadrim wrote:To the right honourable Deluded Fuck.

Can I put forward my personal opposition to the Huddlestone bandwagon, on the grounds he is overrated and looked as bad as Carrick in an England shirt when we played against Japan.

Thank you

Thought he did ok tbf - nothing spectacularly great or bad

If he puts in 3 or 4 mediocre performances in a row (or 25 if you are part of the golden generation), then you have a point.

Besides he's been in far better form than Carrick at club level for over a year... and is probably the main reason why I have this avatar & username.

Khadrim wrote:To the right honourable Deluded Fuck.

Can I put forward my personal opposition to the Huddlestone bandwagon, on the grounds he is overrated and looked as bad as Carrick in an England shirt when we played against Japan.

Thank you

Huddlestone was poor v Japan but nowhere near as bad as carrick v Mexico.

Deluded F*ck™ wrote:


I'll allow Walmart getting picked (good form 'n' all) but WTF is up with the choice of SWP instead of Lennon?!

pride, Capello is making excuses for leaving Walchart out of the WC 23 by making it a 2 horse race between him and Lemmon. SWP being a different type of option.

Carroll will be a forgotten man in 6 months, talk of building a team around him is ridiculous.

Khadrim wrote:To the right honourable Deluded Fuck.

Can I put forward my personal opposition to the Huddlestone bandwagon, on the grounds he is overrated and looked as bad as Carrick in an England shirt when we played against Japan.

Thank you

Feel free. Should leave you plenty of time to carry on your one-man campaign to paint Gareth Barry as the saviour of English football

Deluded F*ck™ wrote:

Khadrim wrote:To the right honourable Deluded Fuck.

Can I put forward my personal opposition to the Huddlestone bandwagon, on the grounds he is overrated and looked as bad as Carrick in an England shirt when we played against Japan.

Thank you

Thought he did ok tbf - nothing spectacularly great or bad

If he puts in 3 or 4 mediocre performances in a row (or 25 if you are part of the golden generation), then you have a point.

Besides he's been in far better form than Carrick at club level for over a year... and is probably the main reason why I have this avatar & username.

One game versus Japan is how we are to now rate Huddlestone's England potential?

At least he can pass the ball, unlike Gaz Spaz who had more than just a game against Japan to show us what a pointlessly overrated footballer he has become, looking even worse than Carrick in an England shirt

WRONG

I think Gaz Baz showed us v Liverpool t'other night that he is very much a box to box CM rather than a DM or holding player.

I think Huddlestone and Barry could play together and take it in turns to go forward whereas Lampard and Gerrard could never do this as they are both AM's really.

Squad:

Goalkeepers: Nikolay Mihailov (FC Twente), Vladislav Stoyanov (Sheriff Tiraspol)

Defenders: Veselin Minev (Levski Sofia), Zhivko Milanov (Vaslui), Stanislav Genchev (Vaslui), Ivan Ivanov (Alania), Zahari Sirakov (Amkar), Ilian Stoyanov (Sanfrecce), Stanislav Manolev (PSV Eindhoven)

Midfielders: Stanislav Angelov (Steaua Bucharest), Chavdar Yankov (Metallurh Donetsk), Stiliyan Petrov (Aston Villa), Georgi Peev (Amkar), Nikolay Dimitrov (Kasampasa)

Forwards: Martin Petrov (Bolton), Iliyan Mitsanski (Kaiserslautern), Valeri Domovchiyski (Hertha Berlin), Valeri Bojinov (Parma), Martin Kamburov (Dalian Shide), Dimitar Rangelov (Borussia Dortmund), Ivelin Popov (Litex Lovech)



I though Blagoy Georgiev, the Terek Grozny player, would be in there - he looks the sort of player that makes things happen

Anyhow, Bojinov scored and should be their biggest threat but we must beat them - I really cannot see us getting a win in Switzerland seeing how they play under Hitzfeld - I would take 4 points from these games no worries.

Fingers crossed Dawson doesn't play

Noah and the Bale wrote:

Deluded F*ck™ wrote:

Khadrim wrote:To the right honourable Deluded Fuck.

Can I put forward my personal opposition to the Huddlestone bandwagon, on the grounds he is overrated and looked as bad as Carrick in an England shirt when we played against Japan.

Thank you

Thought he did ok tbf - nothing spectacularly great or bad

If he puts in 3 or 4 mediocre performances in a row (or 25 if you are part of the golden generation), then you have a point.

Besides he's been in far better form than Carrick at club level for over a year... and is probably the main reason why I have this avatar & username.

One game versus Japan is how we are to now rate Huddlestone's England potential?

At least he can pass the ball, unlike Gaz Spaz who had more than just a game against Japan to show us what a pointlessly overrated footballer he has become, looking even worse than Carrick in an England shirt

I am being harsh on Huddlestone comparing him to Carrick, but he hasn't impressed me. And definitely isn't the saviour tottenham supporters potray him as. He is hardly the next Glenn Hoddle.

I will defend Barry as he has shown to be very good playing for England at times. He isn't a DM but a CM forced to play as a holding midfielder due to the inability of Lampard and Gerrard to play as part of a team. He went to the world cup injured and didn't recover enough to get to the pace of the game.

Khadrim wrote:

Noah and the Bale wrote:

Deluded F*ck wrote:

Khadrim wrote:To the right honourable Deluded Fuck.

Can I put forward my personal opposition to the Huddlestone bandwagon, on the grounds he is overrated and looked as bad as Carrick in an England shirt when we played against Japan.

Thank you

Thought he did ok tbf - nothing spectacularly great or bad

If he puts in 3 or 4 mediocre performances in a row (or 25 if you are part of the golden generation), then you have a point.

Besides he's been in far better form than Carrick at club level for over a year... and is probably the main reason why I have this avatar & username.

One game versus Japan is how we are to now rate Huddlestone's England potential?

At least he can pass the ball, unlike Gaz Spaz who had more than just a game against Japan to show us what a pointlessly overrated footballer he has become, looking even worse than Carrick in an England shirt

I am being harsh on Huddlestone comparing him to Carrick, but he hasn't impressed me. And definitely isn't the saviour tottenham supporters potray him as. He is hardly the next Glenn Hoddle.

I will defend Barry as he has shown to be very good playing for England at times. He isn't a DM but a CM forced to play as a holding midfielder due to the inability of Lampard and Gerrard to play as part of a team. He went to the world cup injured and didn't recover enough to get to the pace of the game.

Barry definitely isn't the saviour you portray him as, and unlike Huddlestone - he's had plenty of chances to prove it.

And frankly, defending Barry yet at the same time declaring you've not "been impressed" with Huddlestone is far more criminal IMO than Spurs fans suggesting Huddlestone deserves a chance to play for more than just one game in a friendly against Japan before passing judgement

God forbid if England were to have a 2 footed midfielder in the squad who can actually pass the ball short and long, hold and build possession. As opposed to one's who shoot / hit 50 yard glamour passes / run around a lot

Noah and the Bale wrote:

Khadrim wrote:

Noah and the Bale wrote:

Deluded F*ck™ wrote:

Khadrim wrote:To the right honourable Deluded Fuck.

Can I put forward my personal opposition to the Huddlestone bandwagon, on the grounds he is overrated and looked as bad as Carrick in an England shirt when we played against Japan.

Thank you

Thought he did ok tbf - nothing spectacularly great or bad

If he puts in 3 or 4 mediocre performances in a row (or 25 if you are part of the golden generation), then you have a point.

Besides he's been in far better form than Carrick at club level for over a year... and is probably the main reason why I have this avatar & username.

One game versus Japan is how we are to now rate Huddlestone's England potential?

At least he can pass the ball, unlike Gaz Spaz who had more than just a game against Japan to show us what a pointlessly overrated footballer he has become, looking even worse than Carrick in an England shirt

I am being harsh on Huddlestone comparing him to Carrick, but he hasn't impressed me. And definitely isn't the saviour tottenham supporters potray him as. He is hardly the next Glenn Hoddle.

I will defend Barry as he has shown to be very good playing for England at times. He isn't a DM but a CM forced to play as a holding midfielder due to the inability of Lampard and Gerrard to play as part of a team. He went to the world cup injured and didn't recover enough to get to the pace of the game.

Barry definitely isn't the saviour you portray him as, and unlike Huddlestone - he's had plenty of chances to prove it.

And frankly, defending Barry yet at the same time declaring you've not "been impressed" with Huddlestone is far more criminal IMO than Spurs fans suggesting Huddlestone deserves a chance to play for more than just one game in a friendly against Japan before passing judgement :ale:

God forbid if England were to have a 2 footed midfielder in the squad who can actually pass the ball short and long, hold and build possession. As opposed to one's who shoot / hit 50 yard glamour passes / run around a lot

You can say he has all those attributes as much as you like. Whilst you may watch him all the time for Tottenham I only watch them sporadically and he hasn't shown me he can run the midfield like Barry has done.

When he does I will say so but it seems pointless arguing with you as you refuse to acknowledge the good games Barry has had for England and are too wiling to right him off for good.

The importance of the Japan game was that it was a chance for Huddlestone to knock Carrick out of the WC squad and he couldn't. Wouldn't have made much difference in the WC but it would've pleased me. And made your point more credible.

I can see both sides of this argument.

Attributes wise Hudd is what this country is crying out for (along with footballing CB's and a good GK who can pass) - he was poor v Japan but, seriously, Carrick v Mexico - does it get worse ?!

Khadrim wrote:

Noah and the Bale wrote:

Khadrim wrote:

Noah and the Bale wrote:

Deluded F*ck wrote:

Khadrim wrote:To the right honourable Deluded Fuck.

Can I put forward my personal opposition to the Huddlestone bandwagon, on the grounds he is overrated and looked as bad as Carrick in an England shirt when we played against Japan.

Thank you

Thought he did ok tbf - nothing spectacularly great or bad

If he puts in 3 or 4 mediocre performances in a row (or 25 if you are part of the golden generation), then you have a point.

Besides he's been in far better form than Carrick at club level for over a year... and is probably the main reason why I have this avatar & username.

One game versus Japan is how we are to now rate Huddlestone's England potential?

At least he can pass the ball, unlike Gaz Spaz who had more than just a game against Japan to show us what a pointlessly overrated footballer he has become, looking even worse than Carrick in an England shirt

I am being harsh on Huddlestone comparing him to Carrick, but he hasn't impressed me. And definitely isn't the saviour tottenham supporters potray him as. He is hardly the next Glenn Hoddle.

I will defend Barry as he has shown to be very good playing for England at times. He isn't a DM but a CM forced to play as a holding midfielder due to the inability of Lampard and Gerrard to play as part of a team. He went to the world cup injured and didn't recover enough to get to the pace of the game.

Barry definitely isn't the saviour you portray him as, and unlike Huddlestone - he's had plenty of chances to prove it.

And frankly, defending Barry yet at the same time declaring you've not "been impressed" with Huddlestone is far more criminal IMO than Spurs fans suggesting Huddlestone deserves a chance to play for more than just one game in a friendly against Japan before passing judgement

God forbid if England were to have a 2 footed midfielder in the squad who can actually pass the ball short and long, hold and build possession. As opposed to one's who shoot / hit 50 yard glamour passes / run around a lot

You can say he has all those attributes as much as you like. Whilst you may watch him all the time for Tottenham I only watch them sporadically and he hasn't shown me he can run the midfield like Barry has done.

When he does I will say so but it seems pointless arguing with you as you refuse to acknowledge the good games Barry has had for England and are too wiling to right him off for good.

The importance of the Japan game was that it was a chance for Huddlestone to knock Carrick out of the WC squad and he couldn't. Wouldn't have made much difference in the WC but it would've pleased me. And made your point more credible.

Actually, I do acknowledge Barry has made decent contributions to England performances. The problem is, these are going back sometime now - he's been getting progressively worse for England, which is mirrored by his performances in the premier League ; since moving to Man City I've been very underwhelmed by Gaz Baz. His main strengths were being able to play the easy ball well, and being predominantly left footed, offering balance for England when played next to our one footed (right peg) "superstars" Lampard / Gerrard.

That Barry's passing has become even worse than those 2 over the last year, it's why I no longer see him as an important/valuable member of the team. When was the last time Gareth Barry dominated midfield for England, or Man City for that matter?

Conversely, Huddlestone's form and impact have matured and become consistent over the last 6 months after a good 2-3 years of occassional glimpses for Spurs. It's not an overstatement to say he was arguably our star performer last season, particularly in the run in when he and Modric dominated Arsenal, Chelsea and Man City in vital must win games.

Yes, his performance against Japan was underwhelming, but we certainly need to have a player like Huddlestone in the squad at least, as he offers something very different to Gaz Baz, Lampard, Gerrard - namely proven ability to pass with either foot accurately, long and short. He won't get the goals, or display the same energy as those 3 (although Lampart is hardly a hard running midfielder), but if he isn't worthy of a call up right now - off the back of an appalling world cup and with Spurs having qualified for the CL, I don't know when he will be. Hence why there is just a little shock from Spurs fans to see him not there despite playing regularly and well, yet Carrick is, despite Carrick hardly playing (something Capello has long chimed as being vitally important)

Neil Warnock and Oliver Holt on ESPN now saying that its outrageous that Wilshere didn't make the squad ?!

WFT !!!!!!

Wilshere ???

Have I missed something ?

Why the fuck would he be in there ?

Insanity.

Oliver Holt has a big problem with Capello though, ive seen him recently on the Sunday Supplement show on Sky...him(and the rest to be honest) just kept saying he should resign, why hasnt he resigned? Why isnt he picking certain players? Why is he in charge still? Why has he not yet given up his job? or any other way you can put that question.

Pierre Littbarski wrote:Neil Warnock and Oliver Holt on ESPN now saying that its outrageous that Wilshere didn't make the squad ?!

WFT !!!!!!

Wilshere ???

Have I missed something ?

Why the fuck would he be in there ?

Kimbo's argument about building a squad for the actual tournament versus the risk of actually not getting to the tournament

Wilshere has every chance of being a solution to England's centre midfield woes Pierre, just not yet. A few more months of getting in Arsenal's first team and he'll be having Carrick's spot.

Bit mad to think he is someone Capello is going to throw into qualifiers now though

Loving the addition to your favourite players Cotter

Scott Loach

Any good Pierre?

Hlebagone wrote:Scott Loach

Any good Pierre?

So-so.

Decent shot stopper, decent kicker (by home nations' standards, his kicking would be comparatively shit if he was Spanish), doesn't make loads of errors but still makes a few.

Very tall - would like us to have cashed in on him really.

Will be a back up to Hart but never any chance of being world class.