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    Post by Pierre Littbarski Sun May 15, 2011 11:33 pm

    Very harsh free-kick on WHAM that got Wigan back into it.

    Suarez should deffo have got a red - wondered how long it would be until we saw that side of him.

    You have to feel for Newcastle - Lampard usually averages 2 half-decent set-piece deliveries every 5 years and he comes up with two in one game.
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    Post by blutgraetsche Sun May 15, 2011 11:40 pm

    Noah und der Bale wrote:
    We re too good for Huntelaar who is, let's be honest, a midtable Bundesliga player at best. Which translates as a Championship player over here..@casts line and waits for bite

    How could Huntelaar have been possibly worse than the bunch you already have, especially the much hyped Russian babyface, a striker who (sic!) "has such a wonderful all-round game" (a pity that he is such a great all-rounder that he lacks the most important ability of any striker or even forward, goal scoring...)? So if the Hunter is Championship quality, your guys are better suited to the Scottish third division...
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    Post by christmasborocooper Mon May 16, 2011 8:29 am

    cheers
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    Post by Aristoskank Mon May 16, 2011 10:43 am

    Therein lies the perpetual issue with strikers - the fact is that consistent goalscorers with good all-round games are extremely rare. Generally, strikers are either one or the other. Spurs sold the best natural goalscorer England have (Bent) because his hold up play was apparently a bit shit and he wasn't at all creative. Then all of their remaining strikers proved that, for all they could dribble a bit or play some good passes or hold it up for other players to get involved, they couldn't actually fucking score any more often than about once every ten games.

    Basically, their fans (I'm mentioning no names but you all know the chocolate face I'm talking about) need to accept that they can either have a proper goalscorer, or a good all-round striker. They are not in a position to be competing for the few players that encompass both. Compromises are necessary.
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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Mon May 16, 2011 12:46 pm

    Yes we can, we had Berbatov, we had Mido (when he was serious about his career), we had Kanoute, all players who were brought in when we were a far inferior side. So tell me why can't we get that quality of CF again


    I judged Bent so harshly (which I don't regret seeing as he still hasn't landed at the top club Kimbo, Coops and Tweeds always told me he would go to - no offence 'baser) as the dynamics of our team at the time (Jenas-Zokora CM) exploited all of his weaknesses.

    The current bunch have been found out for what they are really, either too inconsistent (Defoe), too mentally flaky (Pav) or too shit (Crouch, Keane) to be a lead striker for a CL team, and the quality of players in our midfield make them look even worse.

    When have I ever said that Pav was on a level with Tevez, Van Persie, Drogba or Rooney?
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    Post by Isco Benny Mon May 16, 2011 1:20 pm

    Well said TS.

    Saints makes a decent and valid point - it IS difficult to find strikers who can encompass good goalscoring with an allround game, and also a mentality that takes them above simply being a "confidence" player - ie able to contribute something when in a dip, something Defoe nor Pav (both gifted footballers) seem capable of doing. But we have had them in our recent history. Berbatov was one of those and has never been properly replaced, whilst everywhere else on the park we've pretty much improved since those days (arguably not so at CB and GK, but that's by the by to this particular issue)

    So, if anyone cares to get involved - who IS a realistic target for Spurs, and can we write to Redknapp / Levy to recommend a 15million bid for Shola Ameobi is NOT the answer?

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    Post by christmasborocooper Mon May 16, 2011 1:23 pm

    Pav is obviously the man.
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    Post by debaser Mon May 16, 2011 1:27 pm

    Could you resign Berbatov? After all, most of your squad is players you sold and re-signed.
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    Post by christmasborocooper Mon May 16, 2011 1:32 pm

    cheers
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    Post by Isco Benny Mon May 16, 2011 1:32 pm

    Arshavin and Pav are unfortunately from the Mexico of Europe. Thus, lazy feckless bumscratching shoulder shruggers who will never have the "Work hard, Win at all costs" mentality to match their natural ability. It's a lost cause.

    What about the Bundesliga? Apparently it's a frickin' Endless conveyor belt of talent? Those Teutons don't mind a little bit of "ARBEIT!!", maybe another look at Podolski? What about Gomez - he's probably looking for a step up out of a 3rd rate league?

    Otherwise I fear Redknapp might try and bring in Carlton Cole from newly relegated WHAM...
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    Post by christmasborocooper Mon May 16, 2011 1:42 pm

    Pav is surely just tired from not having enough break time? It cant be down to lazyness.
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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Mon May 16, 2011 1:46 pm

    Vucinic.
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    Post by christmasborocooper Mon May 16, 2011 1:48 pm

    Samaras IMHO
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    Post by Fade out Mon May 16, 2011 1:52 pm

    Deluded F*ck™ wrote:Vucinic.
    You're confident of signing him?

    He does look indifferent in second half of the season for Roma. But at his best, the most entertaining forward to watch.
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    Post by christmasborocooper Mon May 16, 2011 2:17 pm

    Kurányi surely?

    A tall Brazilian German who plays in Russia..he scores goals but not too many..I believe this is the sort of striker TS likes and would be happy to call his "brother". Therefore making him THE candidate for Spurs goal(but not too many plz) getter.
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    Post by Aristoskank Mon May 16, 2011 3:32 pm

    Deluded F*ck™ wrote:Yes we can, we had Berbatov, we had Mido (when he was serious about his career), we had Kanoute, all players who were brought in when we were a far inferior side. So tell me why can't we get that quality of CF again

    Mido's record with you was 41 apps (+20 sub apps) yielding 19 goals, 11 of which came in his one particularly notable season. Okay, he was a talented player but you probably saw the best of him - he never really replicated that anywhere else from what I remember.

    Back then there was a bit less hoarding of players, and the league was worse/easier to score in. Some of those stats are, being realistic, inflated relative to how we could expect those players to perform in the league in 2011/12.

    One of the main reasons is that you're the fifth/sixth best club in a league with three financial powerhouses and another club, Arsenal, whose are not quite on a part with the others but are still far wealthier than you. They can all afford, to a greater or lesser degree, to take the sort of player you would love to have and put up with his inconsistencies and moods by having another player also on high wages/big fees to replace him. Man Utd could afford to buy Berbatov, test him out with Rooney, find out it wasn't working, sit him on the bench, buy a few other strikers, try them out, sell some, keep the successful one, and will probably sell Berbatov at a considerable loss (at least 1/3 of his fee) and will still be able to afford to take all of the money they get and possibly more besides, and re-invest it in a new striker. Similar things are true of City and Chelsea, and certainly are true to a greater extent for Arsenal than for you. They can afford to pay Van Persie and Fabregas massive amounts of money and accept their proneness to injury and them blowing hot and cold, without worrying about dropping out the CL spots that are so important to their financial model and paying off the stadium.

    That's the biggest reason. Though you never know, the right player might become available in your price range. I hope you sign Adebayor and that he does brilliantly, and 'arry 'as an 'istory of doing quite well with African strikers and others of that mould. But since you can't guarantee CL football due to the financial muscle of the big four, it will be harder to persuade a player who could be playing for the fourth best team in Spain or third/fourth best in Germany or wherever. You can compete with those clubs financially and do well, but in the absence of CL football you can't offer the sort of money those clubs ahead of you in the Premiership can offer to a'either/or' or possibly second choice player.

    Nonetheless, you might get it right. It could have worked with Pav if he hadn't spent a couple of years losing sharpness and confidence on the bench. He has the right attributes, but to be fair has been quite poorly managed during his time at Spurs. Hence, he lacked the mentality to 'do stuff when he wasn't scoring' that you desire, despite having the ability.

    I judged Bent so harshly (which I don't regret seeing as he still hasn't landed at the top club Kimbo, Coops and Tweeds always told me he would go to - no offence 'baser) as the dynamics of our team at the time (Jenas-Zokora CM) exploited all of his weaknesses.

    I know, but by Christ is it fun to tease you about it since he's actually done pretty well, albeit for second-tier teams, and since your own preferred players have gone off the boil.

    The current bunch have been found out for what they are really, either too inconsistent (Defoe), too mentally flaky (Pav) or too shit (Crouch, Keane) to be a lead striker for a CL team, and the quality of players in our midfield make them look even worse.

    Crouch's goals got you into the CL, through the group stage, and past Milan. I think he's the most useful of your current crop of strikers, though only as a plan B sorta striker. But I've always liked Crouch, so I would think that. I certainly believe you should sell Defoe and Pav rather than selling one and bringing in another striker of similar ability who will only get so many games and never properly settle and blah blah the same problem squad-rotating strikers have at most clubs. Your whole squad is a bit like that - lots of good players, plenty of talent, but quite a number who are injured too often or are too inconsistent to really cut the mustard if you've got CL ambitions. The typical Redknapp squad in many ways. Big on numbers, big on talent, but never quite a properly gelled, integrated unit. I say sell two, buy one.
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    Post by Kimbo Mon May 16, 2011 3:48 pm

    I hope everyone noticed the new Ameobi making his debut yesterday. The dynasty lives on. <Ale>


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    Post by Ä Mon May 16, 2011 3:52 pm

    bernd

    you should make a move for KLOSE

    he's a FREE agent now

    and could easily leave Bayern this summer

    Heynckes already has Gomez, Müller, Olic and probably young shooting star Petersen at his disposal

    and Dortmund no longer seem to be interested in Klose either

    probably because he would burst their salary structure

    Klose is still one of the top 5 strikers in the world

    the LEAST selfish striker in the world

    brilliant in the air, the ground and in the water

    and his pace is second to none: ask Terry and Upson

    if you need a new goalie, go for Rost or Wiese or Adler

    a cheap defender with potential would be Mertesacker

    and just for laughs

    try to get one of the BENDER brothers

    would be our contribution to global humour Whistle
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    Post by christmasborocooper Mon May 16, 2011 4:10 pm

    Sign Demba Ba.
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    Post by Sgoater1 Mon May 16, 2011 4:20 pm

    Well im back from London...just about recovered haha. What an amazing day, spent with my mates who i have been through all the shit with. Before a lot of our big games like Backburn for promotion and the semi v U*d ive seen ex players before the game and we've gone on to win, so when were in the pub pre game i was getting worried i hadnt seen anyone until.... Uwe Rosler suddenly arrived in the pub...what a legend.

    Its was a nervy game as it just seemed we'd never score but we dominated it throughout and thankfully it came. Yaya Toure will go down in history now. I thought Richards and Kompany were excellent. Lescott had a good game at all, Stoke just couldnt play their normal game as we dealt with all their long balls and they had nothing in the midfield cos it was owned by De Jong. De Jong is fucking incredible, he just won everything on sat and broke up play with ease, i fucking love that guy and he should have got MOTM although Balotelli did very well.

    It was just an incredible day, i cant tell you how much it meant, ive waited all my life to see it and i think it will be start of something great. Mancini has done what he set out to do this season and i believe he is the right man to take us forward. Weve got a great young team that will only get better and with a few new additions in the summer i think we can win the title next season.

    People say we lack team spirit but people just read how much our players our paid and make assumptions. If you look at our behind the scene footage on our website you can see how good it is, we have a lot of young players and they seem to get on very well, i think they becoming even more gelled by the success and the future is very very bright.

    Hopefully we can win the last 2 games and get third to end the best season ever in style... come on City.

    Oh and thanks to everyone for their congratulations and wishes <Ale>

    Nice of the club to not parade the trophy around tomorrow night out of respect for Stoke, see we're not total c**ts Smile
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    Post by Pierre Littbarski Mon May 16, 2011 6:51 pm

    christmasborocooper wrote:Sign Demba Ba.

    Great shout.

    If Spurs could have got Iaquinta 2 years ago that would have been ideal.

    Vagner Love would be great in the EPL - never understood why he isn't rated.

    Doumbia would be very good and is only 23 - loads of pace, can score poachers goal and has ability too, already dislikes living in Russia (gets a bit nippy in the winter apparently Rolling Eyes) and there was talk of him being available for £5m in January Shocked

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    Post by Glenarch of the Glen Mon May 16, 2011 6:56 pm

    Spuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurs should look at Nikica Jelavic. I rate him very highly, a Kuyt-Berbatov hybrid.
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    Post by Sgoater1 Mon May 16, 2011 7:41 pm

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9Mye31q7JA

    This is very close to were i was stood...what a day !
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    Post by debaser Tue May 17, 2011 11:38 am

    Noah und der Bale wrote:Well said TS.

    Saints makes a decent and valid point - it IS difficult to find strikers who can encompass good goalscoring with an allround game, and also a mentality that takes them above simply being a "confidence" player - ie able to contribute something when in a dip, something Defoe nor Pav (both gifted footballers) seem capable of doing. But we have had them in our recent history. Berbatov was one of those and has never been properly replaced, whilst everywhere else on the park we've pretty much improved since those days (arguably not so at CB and GK, but that's by the by to this particular issue)

    So, if anyone cares to get involved - who IS a realistic target for Spurs, and can we write to Redknapp / Levy to recommend a 15million bid for Shola Ameobi is NOT the answer?


    How about Sturridge?
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    Post by Luis Tue May 17, 2011 12:45 pm

    Who ever the next Chelsea manager is should get Sturridge back and start him. Saints was right about him I admit, he's got the potential to be a brilliant forward. And with Anelka and possibly even Drogba leaving this summer it would make sense, although I have a feeling Chelsea will bid for Tevez.
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    Post by Aristoskank Tue May 17, 2011 2:06 pm

    Luis wrote:Who ever the next Chelsea manager is should get Sturridge back and start him. Saints was right about him I admit, he's got the potential to be a brilliant forward. And with Anelka and possibly even Drogba leaving this summer it would make sense, although I have a feeling Chelsea will bid for Tevez.

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    Carlton Cole mk II he is not, despite some people's pessimism.
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    Post by Sgoater1 Tue May 17, 2011 2:45 pm

    Pinky und der Brain wrote:
    Luis wrote:Who ever the next Chelsea manager is should get Sturridge back and start him. Saints was right about him I admit, he's got the potential to be a brilliant forward. And with Anelka and possibly even Drogba leaving this summer it would make sense, although I have a feeling Chelsea will bid for Tevez.

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    Carlton Cole mk II he is not, despite some people's pessimism.

    Saints just copied what i said when Sturridge came through the city academy i tipped him first Twisted Evil Cool

    I expect Chelsea to bid but i dont see why he'd want to go to them, we can offer him Champs league and a shot at the title plus he is happy with us, its a family issue that might cause him to go. If he leaves it will be to Inter or Real. If im wrong and we deal with Chelsea id like Drogba, or likewise if its Inter id try and include Eto'o or Snejder in a deal, Benezema from Real would be class.
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    Post by Sgoater1 Tue May 17, 2011 2:48 pm



    Big game for us tonight, 3rd is now possible but it wont be easy as we look to have Tevez and Balotelli out whilst Silva is a doubt...plus Stoke will be looking for revenge. Hopefully the likes of Dzeko, Milner and Johnson will be able to step in and do a job. If we win then it sets up a tense last day with Arsenal at Fulham and us at Bolton. We've done what we set out to do and finish top four (and win a cup) but top 3 would be the cherry on top. Come on City !
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    Post by Cesc Soler Tue May 17, 2011 8:06 pm

    Man City currently up to 3rd after an excellent goal from Tevez.
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    Post by Aristoskank Tue May 17, 2011 8:30 pm

    Sgoater1 wrote: Saints just copied what i said when Sturridge came through the city academy i tipped him first Twisted Evil Cool

    You slagged him off when he left your lot to go to Chelsea, and said he wouldn't amount to much while he was there.

    You were half-right, he hasn't shown his worth when playing for Chelsea yet...

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