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    Post by debaser Fri Jun 17, 2011 11:11 am

    Aston Villa 2011/2012 Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTT_FyqZmCVoEdl08KuRsLL3aN4GTmxjDVREMuYYeHFxnhPRm8e

    Am I gonna be all right?
    No I'm not gonna be all right
    Nothing is all right now
    Am I gonna see the sun come up?
    Or am I going down?
    'cause every day I'm here
    All I feel is sheer
    Agony

    Friends tellin' me that maybe I need
    Some psychiatric help
    Yeah they're always so quick to tell you
    Just how to get on with it
    But I look into the mirror
    And all I see is age, fear
    And agony

    If I could just remember what it was like
    When I was younger
    Before all the joy and happiness
    Was replaced with hunger
    Now all I've got to show for the seeds that didn't grow
    Is agony
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    Post by rosenthal Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:25 pm


    Villa will be in for another mediocre season of hurt,
    unless the fans can accept and support their new manager.
    Stand behind him or be a mess for at least 2-3 seasons.
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    Post by debaser Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:47 pm

    It will have cooled down by the start of season. A few signings will appease people a bit, and every fan gets new-season optimism to a degree.

    But there's no way fans will stand behind McLeish if he doesn't offer good things on the pitch pretty quickly.

    For now I sit back, see who he signs & see what sorta team he starts playing. He has much to prove. It worries me plenty that he has responsibility for replaceing Young and (quite possibly) Downing. As far as I can tell, he knows nothing about attacking players.
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    Post by christmasborocooper Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:23 am

    Saw this on a look a like thread

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    Post by Glenarch of the Glen Sat Jun 18, 2011 7:24 am

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY39fkmqKBM
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    Post by Murray Sat Jun 18, 2011 1:39 pm

    Legendary McLeish goal in 1982 Scottish cup final

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    Post by christmasborocooper Sat Jun 18, 2011 1:40 pm

    The original Bergkamp.
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    Post by Isco Benny Sat Jun 18, 2011 1:51 pm

    christmasborocooper wrote:Saw this on a look a like thread

    Aston Villa 2011/2012 EckHam1

    Laugh
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    Post by Aristoskank Sat Jun 18, 2011 2:01 pm

    Agbonlahor: All we are saying is give McLeish a chance
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    Post by Puro Sat Jun 18, 2011 2:22 pm

    WOW! Shocked It's pretty shocking! ain't it Debbie? I have sympathy for Debbie.

    What was Lerner thinking? or has he now taken sides and become a cocksucker of the League/Mancs/Gill/Sluralex?

    The hiring of McLeish seems to me one of those where Lerner received the phone call to become a 'team player'. The Scottish c**t relegated Birmingham, Sluralex effectively had lost another of his cocksuckers: first it was Fat Sam (fired just in time, Blackburn was safe), and then McLeish who took Birmingham to the gutter.

    Who in their right mind hires a coach who just relegated a team? Unless there's some 'pork' thrown his way by the League/Mancs/Sluralex/Gill.

    I feel for you Debbie, McLeish was getting help from the refs. but that still wasn't enough to stave relegation.

    Of all the managers currently available, Lerner hires McLeish. The Khazar deemed McClaren not good enough for Villa, but hires McLeish? Shocked

    Fulham's signing of Marteen Jol looks 1,000 times better than Villa's recent move.

    Lerner's obviously not stupid, I KNOW he's now joined the Mancs and their clique.
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    Post by Isco Benny Sat Jun 18, 2011 4:10 pm

    Football 365 opinion piece:

    Antichrist In Aston But Hope For Salvation
    Posted 18/06/11 11:35EmailPrintSave

    So it's done, then, and we're all still here. The world didn't stop turning. It wasn't the coming of the Rapture, so maybe he isn't the antichrist after all. In the end, after the protests at Villa Park, the graffiti at the training ground, the vicious Facebook campaigns and the legal chestbeating from Birmingham's two closest neighbours, it all seemed a bit of an anti-climax.

    That was partly down to some clever timing. Announcing the appointment of Alex McLeish five minutes before the fixtures were unveiled on Friday morning ensured that, while the patrons of the Holte End were still slightly more concerned with the choice of the 25th Aston Villa manager than an opening game away at Fulham, most of the rest of the country had moved on to more interesting things. And you know what? Maybe it was just the prospect of that sunny Saturday afternoon in Putney in August - we're all bored of the close season already, after all - but the majority of Villa fans started to move on as well.

    Whether that was with an air of embracing the situation or grasping the nettle varied from case to case. There was something of a split amongst Villa fans last week, between those who didn't want Alex McLeish as manager because of his former employees - strange, quipped the comedians, since relegating Birmingham never normally goes down badly at Villa Park - and those who insisted... well... he's not very good, is he? The latter camp spread far beyond Aston Villa fans themselves, taking in wide swathes of the public, a large portion of the press, including Football365, and - or so it seemed - every single person who sent me a text, tweet or email last week. Schadenfreude is alive and well in cyberspace.

    The attitude now is more philosophical. If he's the manager - if he's our manager - shouldn't we at least let him put a team out in claret and blue before we wheel out the boooooos and the bedsheets? OK, Birmingham played some awful football last season but, leaving aside the matter of not scoring enough goals, they looked alright the season before, on the way to their highest league finish in half a lifetime. And yes, he spent a fair few bob, but if you take over a poor team with few assets, your net spend is going to be high - the likes of Ben Foster, Scott Dann and Roger Johnson have only increased in value since arriving at St Andrews, and we'll probably see the proof of that with a couple of sales enforced by the financial pinch of relegation.

    Ah. Relegation. Of course, there are the relegations. I was trying not to think about those, but it's impossible to ignore them. Let's face it, the collapse after the League Cup win is really quite worrying - a good manager should be able to arrest such slides. Even if Villa surprise a few next season - and the fixture list suggests a good start is far from impossible - a couple of defeats on the trot will leave people wondering if the only way is down.

    That's something McLeish will have to deal with, as is the stigma of being a defensive manager in an age when the world wants to play like Barcelona. He's hinted that his Villa team will be different from his Birmingham side in that respect, and Gabby Agbonlahor has been wheeled out to say he's damn right they will. But - and especially with Ashley Young bound for Old Trafford - words will need backing up with deeds before anybody's really convinced.

    A dose of negative expectation, though, may not be the worst thing in the world. Last week, Philip Cornwall wrote - quite scathingly, if you ask me, but maybe I'm too sensitive - about the unrealistic expectations of Aston Villa fans raised on legends of league titles and European Cup wins. But those pointing back to 1982 miss the point. 12 months ago - one short year, for all that it seems a lifetime in some ways - Villa had just secured a third consecutive sixth-place finish in a season that had also taken in the journey from the Holte End to Wembley. Twice. Getting close to success isn't as distant a memory as success itself.

    And there, one suspects, is the rub. Martin O'Neill lost a lot of goodwill from Aston Villa fans when he sent the kids out and brought an end to what had been an exciting Uefa Cup run in 2009. Gerard Houllier put a dampener on the excitement Darren Bent's arrival had brought in January by playing the reserves against Manchester City in a game that put the winner a home tie against Reading away from a Wembley semi-final. Both were strange decisions - although O'Neill's, with Villa then ahead in the chase for fourth, was understandable if misguided. This is a club starved of silverware for 15 years.

    We all know the league title is out of reach, and call me old-fashioned, but what are fifth, sixth, seventh or ninth but degrees of failure? Alex McLeish won Birmingham City a cup. He put a trophy in the cabinet. If he does the same for Aston Villa, no-one will care that he came from a club that, lest we forget, also counts Peter Withe and Ron Saunders amongst its alumni. Over to you, Alex.

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    Post by debaser Sat Jun 18, 2011 4:40 pm

    Puro wrote:WOW! Shocked It's pretty shocking! ain't it Debbie? I have sympathy for Debbie.

    What was Lerner thinking? or has he now taken sides and become a cocksucker of the League/Mancs/Gill/Sluralex?

    The hiring of McLeish seems to me one of those where Lerner received the phone call to become a 'team player'. The Scottish c**t relegated Birmingham, Sluralex effectively had lost another of his cocksuckers: first it was Fat Sam (fired just in time, Blackburn was safe), and then McLeish who took Birmingham to the gutter.

    Who in their right mind hires a coach who just relegated a team? Unless there's some 'pork' thrown his way by the League/Mancs/Sluralex/Gill.

    I feel for you Debbie, McLeish was getting help from the refs. but that still wasn't enough to stave relegation.

    Of all the managers currently available, Lerner hires McLeish. The Khazar deemed McClaren not good enough for Villa, but hires McLeish? Shocked

    Fulham's signing of Marteen Jol looks 1,000 times better than Villa's recent move.

    Lerner's obviously not stupid, I KNOW he's now joined the Mancs and their clique.

    I suppose I can look forward to some soft penalty decisions this season then..

    There's this statement General Krulak (one of Villa's board) made on Facebook defending McLeish before we'd appointed him. I quote part:

    "You all cling to the fact that he has seen his lads relegated twice…well, the first time he was not with the Club long enough to make much of a difference. Secondly, …look at the owners he has worked for and their support of him monetarily. Then look at Randy and what he provides to his Managers. Third, look at his record with other Clubs…as a Manager and player. Check with Sir Alex and ask him about the man…you will get an entirely different sense."

    So they actually did talk to Ferguson - whose only interest in Aston Villa is 6pts a season and somewhere to palm off overpriced fringe players - about who we should get as manager Doh But I do think it's less conspiracy than pure naivety - they just got played by Ferguson. Been there before - David O'Leary buying Eric Djemba-Djemba and say how highly Fergie thought of him Doh
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    Post by blutgraetsche Sat Jun 18, 2011 4:43 pm

    SAF owns the EPL. Ale
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    Post by DD Sat Jun 18, 2011 4:47 pm

    That is just awful ... No

    No wonder Fergle came out with this gem
    SAF wrote:"At the end of the day, what will count is this - can he do the job for Villa?" said Ferguson.

    "It doesn't matter whether there are 50 against him, 500 against him or five against him because the experience and the ability he has got, believe me, he will prove that he can do the job.

    "I've known him for a long time and I know his abilities. I know how conscientious he is.

    "I know the determination and work ethic he's always had to make sure he does the job right."
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/13805626.stm
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    Post by Puro Sat Jun 18, 2011 5:05 pm

    debaser wrote:
    I suppose I can look forward to some soft penalty decisions this season then..

    There's this statement General Krulak (one of Villa's board) made on Facebook defending McLeish before we'd appointed him. I quote part:

    "You all cling to the fact that he has seen his lads relegated twice…well, the first time he was not with the Club long enough to make much of a difference. Secondly, …look at the owners he has worked for and their support of him monetarily. Then look at Randy and what he provides to his Managers. Third, look at his record with other Clubs…as a Manager and player. Check with Sir Alex and ask him about the man…you will get an entirely different sense."

    So they actually did talk to Ferguson - whose only interest in Aston Villa is 6pts a season and somewhere to palm off overpriced fringe players - about who we should get as manager Doh But I do think it's less conspiracy than pure naivety - they just got played by Ferguson. Been there before - David O'Leary buying Eric Djemba-Djemba and say how highly Fergie thought of him Doh

    McLeish got that during his time at Birmingham. Just like Steve Bruce gets his share of PK's at Sunderland (the all important Wigan game!).

    The bottom line is that Aston Villa is done as a proud/historic/traditional English club. YOU are now relegated to Sunderland status or any other club that employs Sluralex's cocksuckers.

    The new Blackburn owners (the Indians) realized right away that Fat Sam's loyalty was first them 6 points to the Mancs when Sluralex needs them points. That's why they fired his ass.

    Now, being that Aston Villa is a club with great tradition, you may be helped to reach Europa League, BUT YOU WILL NEVER CHALLENGE FOR THE TITLE while Sluralex is in charge. Perhaps Lerner realized all of this, fully knowing his limitations, and chose to join the Mancs/Sluralex/Gill/The League's clique.

    Interesting to see how the American Khazars (Lerner and Glazers) have joined forces. A very nice "strategic" partnership with Villa NEVER challenging them of course.
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    Post by Sgoater1 Sat Jun 18, 2011 5:44 pm



    Just think of him as a ginger mole, sent to Brum to work for Villa and relegate them now he has returned...i cant think of anything positive to write about his return...
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    Post by Luis Sat Jun 18, 2011 7:32 pm

    He'll be better than Houllier at least though. Houllier should never be managing a premier league club now, not in a million years. Pires is 37 for fucks sake.
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    Post by blutgraetsche Sun Jun 19, 2011 2:07 pm

    Outrage over Alex McLeish's move to Aston Villa is lazy tribalism

    Man swaps job? So what? It's not as if Big 'Eck was synonymous with Birmingham City

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/jun/19/alex-mcleish-aston-villa-birmingham

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    Post by Isco Benny Sun Jun 19, 2011 2:28 pm

    Laugh I would imagine the Brum connection is merely the icing on a very stinky shit cake for Villa fans.

    Villa are a club who should rightfully expect to be aiming for better than a manager who just got his side relegated (how did this happen by the way if he were merely a Slur Alex cocksucker one must wonder? But that's for another time) playing some of the shittest football in the league.

    To think Mclaren was laughed at as a potential replacement. Seems to me Forest got the better deal on this one, and Fulham struck gold with Jol.



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    Post by blutgraetsche Sun Jun 19, 2011 2:36 pm

    What if Villa finish higher than Fulham next season? That's not far fetched, despite all the man love Jolibear seems to get on the island.

    Debbie needs to stop whining. It's life. It could be worse, they could have (re-)signed Hitzlsperger.
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    Post by Isco Benny Sun Jun 19, 2011 2:41 pm

    blutgraetsche wrote:What if Villa finish higher than Fulham next season? That's not far fetched, despite all the man love Jolibear seems to get on the island.

    Debbie needs to stop whining. It's life. It could be worse, they could have (re-)signed Hitzlsperger.

    Player v player comparison, it would be a travesty if they didn't finish above Fulham.

    The issue is philosophy - Jol's has always been to play attractive football using width and pace and employing ball playing defenders / midfielders. as he did at Spurs. Which incidentally is what Villa are traditionally know for.

    Big 'Eck is known for employing a defense-first philosophy, which I can't imagine will wash at Villa Park.

    I'd wager the punters at Craven Cottage will get far more for their money next season
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    Post by debaser Sun Jun 19, 2011 2:42 pm

    Whenever I read a particularly shite football piece in the Guardian it always turns out to be by Paul Hayward. This turns out to be no exception.

    Why? McLeish's suitability for the Villa post, you will notice, was barely discussed. Claret-faced and most certainly blue inside, the most trenchant Villa antis were too busy calling him "blue-nose scum" to come up with a better objection than his previous place of employment. Simply, McLeish could not be manager of Villa because he had just been manager of Birmingham. That was about as cerebral as it got.

    This was discussed ad nauseum. Protesters outside Villa Park are the most visible, but it's bullshit strawman journalism to pretend their views are representative of every Villa fan out there. The biggest things against McLeish, said by nearly everyone, was the fact the chap's been relegated 2 out of the 3 seasons he's managed in the PL and that his side played godawful football.

    If Villa fans need to worry it should be because McLeish is a cautious, not a speculative appointment. He has a record of making do. Retrenchment at Villa Park seemed to stop with the arrival of Darren Bent but will return if Ashley Young and Stewart Downing are sold. These bigger questions are merely obscured by the hysterical response to McLeish's supposed perfidy in staying local.

    Thanks, you patronising fuckwit. Nobody would possibly have thought to worry about these things if you hadn't come along Doh

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    Post by blutgraetsche Sun Jun 19, 2011 2:44 pm

    Debbie strikes me as a results first person, he shouldn't be bothered too much. He's used to it anyway by supporting England...

    Edit: Too late, sorry debbie, didn't want to make you angry. Wanted to cheer you up a little actually, in my caring German way.
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    Post by blutgraetsche Sun Jun 19, 2011 2:53 pm

    Maybe this will cheer you up then......hopefully....

    Aston Villa's new manager Alex McLeish given £40m in transfer funds and targets Scott Dann - report

    Recently-installed Villans boss lines up talented defender from his former club Birmingham City, but is told he must find £15m to prise the player away from St Andrew's

    http://www.goal.com/en/news/9/england/2011/06/19/2538618/aston-villas-new-manager-alex-mcleish-given-40m-in-transfer
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    Post by debaser Sun Jun 19, 2011 2:55 pm

    blutgraetsche wrote:Debbie strikes me as a results first person, he shouldn't be bothered too much. He's used to it anyway by supporting England...

    Edit: Too late, sorry debbie, didn't want to make you angry. Wanted to cheer you up a little actually, in my caring German way.

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    Post by debaser Sun Jun 19, 2011 2:56 pm

    I like Hitz btw. What made you think I'd hate him coming back? Not exactly the type of player we need at the minute, but he always did best for Villa when he was here.
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    Post by blutgraetsche Sun Jun 19, 2011 2:58 pm

    I don't like him and just thought it would be appropriate to diss him while I was at it. Just felt right...
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    Post by Sheffield gunner Sun Jun 19, 2011 3:47 pm

    Don't like him as a player, or don't like his personality?

    He's always come across quite well I thought. His interviews in Zeit over the season have been quite interesting as well. Plus he has the whole comedy accent thing going on.
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    Post by Isco Benny Sun Jun 19, 2011 3:57 pm

    Hitz said the EPL >> Bundesliga, which is why he's a thoroughly excellent chap and also probably why Blut doesn't like him Laughing

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    Post by Puro Sun Jun 19, 2011 6:15 pm

    Since I like Debbie, I wasted some of my precious time looking at Sluralex's cocksucker's managerial record in order to find some sense, some good reasoning as to why the American Khazar, Lerner, thought he was a good coach for Aston Villa. I FOUND NO GOOD REASON AT ALL BASED ON MERITS! lol!

    Sluralex's cocksucker coached Rangers during the time in what was arguably Celtic's glorious recent years of owning the SPL. The cocksucker made sure Celtic won the SPL almost every year he was at Rangers. Moreover, he actually finished THIRD with Rangers one season. I ask Mes Amis, how does someone, ANYONE!, manages to finish THIRD when there are only TWO TEAMS COMPETING??? lol!

    Before Rangers, the cocksucker 'coached' Motherwell (a midtable Scottish team), and he managed to make them bottom feeders almost his entire stay there. Laugh

    EVERYONE KNOWS he sent Birmingham down TWICE proving once again his less than stellar coaching career. So we have the failures at Motherwell, RANGERS!!! and Birmingham, but it is real good to be one of them Sluralex's cocksuckers. You get to coach Aston Villa. It really sucks to be Aston Villa since McLeish has proven to be a failure EVERYWHERE. Laugh

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