Aston Villa 2011/2012

Geez, hope he is ok.

Romford Pele wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17566188

Fuck

Hope he gets better

Villa fans planning to show their support for Stilian Petrov this afternoon in 19th minute. Hope he beats it, but again I can't believe this was not discovered and treated earlier.

EMP wrote:Villa fans planning to show their support for Stilian Petrov this afternoon in 19th minute. Hope he beats it, but again I can't believe this was not discovered and treated earlier.

It's acute leukemia. For all we know, it's been diagnosed as early as it is possible..

Villa should be giving their players pre-emptive leukaemia treatment

EMP wrote:Villa fans planning to show their support for Stilian Petrov this afternoon in 19th minute. Hope he beats it, but again I can't believe this was not discovered and treated earlier.

Dumbest comment of the year by EMP

Murray wrote:

EMP wrote:Villa fans planning to show their support for Stilian Petrov this afternoon in 19th minute. Hope he beats it, but again I can't believe this was not discovered and treated earlier.

Dumbest comment of the year by EMP

Er wrong. This suggests that it relates to an original diagnosis of leukaemia. It is the most aggressive form of it, which means it is all the more necessary to screen for it, and catch it early, especially when any abnormality of white cells is found. If undiagnosed it can kill fast, so why should this not be tested for? Not blaming Aston Villa, but with all the money in football at top level, especially, it can ensure that everything is tested for. Why should it not be obliged to do that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acute_leukemia

EMP wrote:

Murray wrote:

EMP wrote:Villa fans planning to show their support for Stilian Petrov this afternoon in 19th minute. Hope he beats it, but again I can't believe this was not discovered and treated earlier.

Dumbest comment of the year by EMP

Er wrong. It relates to an original diagnosis of leukaemia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acute_leukemia

That means it, or leukaemia should have been detected earlier and that consequently he should have been checked earlier.

Sorry this is absurd. Acute = sudden onset. From the information we have, it's entirely possible that this was spotted as early as it is possible to spot.

"The early signs of AML are often vague and nonspecific, and may be similar to those of influenza or other common illnesses. Some generalized symptoms include fever, fatigue, weight loss or loss of appetite, shortness of breath, anemia, easy bruising or bleeding, petechiae (flat, pin-head sized spots under the skin caused by bleeding), bone and joint pain, and persistent or frequent infections.[6]"

Last week Petrov was reported to be ill - it sounds like he's gone in with flu-symptoms, his blood has been tested and they've found it's something far worse. But this is just speculating.

Simply put, we don't know the medical details of Petrov's case. And I find it very strange that someone who is always so meticulous about truth & justice, is willing to make such blanket statements on zero evidence..

debaser wrote:

EMP wrote:

Murray wrote:

EMP wrote:Villa fans planning to show their support for Stilian Petrov this afternoon in 19th minute. Hope he beats it, but again I can't believe this was not discovered and treated earlier.

Dumbest comment of the year by EMP

Er wrong. It relates to an original diagnosis of leukaemia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acute_leukemia

That means it, or leukaemia should have been detected earlier and that consequently he should have been checked earlier.

Sorry this is absurd. Acute = sudden onset. From the information we have, it's entirely possible that this was spotted as early as it is possible to spot.

"The early signs of AML are often vague and nonspecific, and may be similar to those of influenza or other common illnesses. Some generalized symptoms include fever, fatigue, weight loss or loss of appetite, shortness of breath, anemia, easy bruising or bleeding, petechiae (flat, pin-head sized spots under the skin caused by bleeding), bone and joint pain, and persistent or frequent infections.[6]"

Last week Petrov was reported to be ill - it sounds like he's gone in with flu-symptoms, his blood has been tested and they've found it's something far worse. But this is just speculating.

Simply put, we don't know the medical details of Petrov's case. And I find it very strange that someone who is always so meticulous about truth & justice, is willing to make such blanket statements on zero evidence..

I don't see any reason why the top end of football at least cannot screen for every single life-threatening condition. The EPL, UEFA and FIFA can afford to do it and have supported several initiatives to get the general public checked up and tested early. For example, CAF helped to get a major initiative of HIV/AIDS testing at the African Cup of Nations.

Leukaemia is also a well known potentially killer disease, so why shouldn't football's governing body initiate a health programme to screen players and help catch it early, especially if it can be agressive and absolutely need to be caught early? It can afford it, so should it not be obliged to do it and hopefully encourage others to have check ups too. This is not just about Petrov; it's about the health of players, whose employers or governing body can afford to do it and should be obliged to do that, especially on potentially life-threatening diseases.

Edit: There is no mass screening programme or procedure for this.

EMP wrote:

debaser wrote:

EMP wrote:

Murray wrote:

EMP wrote:Villa fans planning to show their support for Stilian Petrov this afternoon in 19th minute. Hope he beats it, but again I can't believe this was not discovered and treated earlier.

Dumbest comment of the year by EMP

Er wrong. It relates to an original diagnosis of leukaemia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acute_leukemia

That means it, or leukaemia should have been detected earlier and that consequently he should have been checked earlier.

Sorry this is absurd. Acute = sudden onset. From the information we have, it's entirely possible that this was spotted as early as it is possible to spot.

"The early signs of AML are often vague and nonspecific, and may be similar to those of influenza or other common illnesses. Some generalized symptoms include fever, fatigue, weight loss or loss of appetite, shortness of breath, anemia, easy bruising or bleeding, petechiae (flat, pin-head sized spots under the skin caused by bleeding), bone and joint pain, and persistent or frequent infections.[6]"

Last week Petrov was reported to be ill - it sounds like he's gone in with flu-symptoms, his blood has been tested and they've found it's something far worse. But this is just speculating.

Simply put, we don't know the medical details of Petrov's case. And I find it very strange that someone who is always so meticulous about truth & justice, is willing to make such blanket statements on zero evidence..

I don't see any reason why the top end of football at least cannot screen for every single life-threatening condition. The EPL, UEFA and FIFA can afford to do it and have supported several initiatives to get the general public checked up and tested early. For example, CAF helped to get a major initiative of HIV/AIDS testing at the African Cup of Nations.

Leukaemia is also a well known potentially killer disease, so why shouldn't football's governing body initiate a health programme to screen players and help catch it early, especially if it can be agressive and absolutely need to be caught early? It can afford it, so should it not be obliged to do it and hopefully encourage others to have check ups too. This is not just about Petrov; it's about the health of players, whose employers or governing body can afford to do it and should be obliged to do that, especially on potentially life-threatening diseases.

You're still missing the point badly. Acute leukemia is a very aggressive disease - it starts with one white blood cell going malignant and escalates rapidly. There is no known way to see this in advance - there is no cancer until the cancer starts. It's quite probable that there was no cancer in Petrov's body until very recently. Screening would be useless in such cases. Also this type of leukemia is incredibly rare in people under 60.

You're just making wild claims of what 'should' be done, when it's not necessarily even possible. Don't exploit one person's medical problems for some other cause. I say again: from what we know, it is entirely possible that this was diagnosed as early as it is possible to diagnose. And that it was diagnosed early because he is a footballer. I don't know and you certainly don't know. Please just stop talking uninformed bollocks. It's insulting.

debaser wrote:

EMP wrote:

debaser wrote:

EMP wrote:

Murray wrote:

EMP wrote:Villa fans planning to show their support for Stilian Petrov this afternoon in 19th minute. Hope he beats it, but again I can't believe this was not discovered and treated earlier.

Dumbest comment of the year by EMP

Er wrong. It relates to an original diagnosis of leukaemia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acute_leukemia

That means it, or leukaemia should have been detected earlier and that consequently he should have been checked earlier.

Sorry this is absurd. Acute = sudden onset. From the information we have, it's entirely possible that this was spotted as early as it is possible to spot.

"The early signs of AML are often vague and nonspecific, and may be similar to those of influenza or other common illnesses. Some generalized symptoms include fever, fatigue, weight loss or loss of appetite, shortness of breath, anemia, easy bruising or bleeding, petechiae (flat, pin-head sized spots under the skin caused by bleeding), bone and joint pain, and persistent or frequent infections.[6]"

Last week Petrov was reported to be ill - it sounds like he's gone in with flu-symptoms, his blood has been tested and they've found it's something far worse. But this is just speculating.

Simply put, we don't know the medical details of Petrov's case. And I find it very strange that someone who is always so meticulous about truth & justice, is willing to make such blanket statements on zero evidence..

I don't see any reason why the top end of football at least cannot screen for every single life-threatening condition. The EPL, UEFA and FIFA can afford to do it and have supported several initiatives to get the general public checked up and tested early. For example, CAF helped to get a major initiative of HIV/AIDS testing at the African Cup of Nations.

Leukaemia is also a well known potentially killer disease, so why shouldn't football's governing body initiate a health programme to screen players and help catch it early, especially if it can be agressive and absolutely need to be caught early? It can afford it, so should it not be obliged to do it and hopefully encourage others to have check ups too. This is not just about Petrov; it's about the health of players, whose employers or governing body can afford to do it and should be obliged to do that, especially on potentially life-threatening diseases.

You're still missing the point badly. Acute leukemia is a very aggressive disease - it starts with one white blood cell going malignant and escalates rapidly. There is no known way to see this in advance - there is no cancer until the cancer starts. It's quite probable that there was no cancer in Petrov's body until very recently. Screening would be useless in such cases. Also this type of leukemia is incredibly rare in people under 60.

You're just making wild claims of what 'should' be done, when it's not necessarily even possible. Don't exploit one person's medical problems for some other cause. I say again: from what we know, it is entirely possible that this was diagnosed as early as it is possible to diagnose. And that it was diagnosed early because he is a footballer. I don't know and you certainly don't know. Please just stop talking uninformed bollocks. It's insulting.

Having checked up on it, there is no mass screening programme on it, so you are right. Without specifically looking you wouldn't find it. Sorry.

Get well soon

EMP wrote:

debaser wrote:

EMP wrote:

Murray wrote:

EMP wrote:Villa fans planning to show their support for Stilian Petrov this afternoon in 19th minute. Hope he beats it, but again I can't believe this was not discovered and treated earlier.

Dumbest comment of the year by EMP

Er wrong. It relates to an original diagnosis of leukaemia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acute_leukemia

That means it, or leukaemia should have been detected earlier and that consequently he should have been checked earlier.

Sorry this is absurd. Acute = sudden onset. From the information we have, it's entirely possible that this was spotted as early as it is possible to spot.

"The early signs of AML are often vague and nonspecific, and may be similar to those of influenza or other common illnesses. Some generalized symptoms include fever, fatigue, weight loss or loss of appetite, shortness of breath, anemia, easy bruising or bleeding, petechiae (flat, pin-head sized spots under the skin caused by bleeding), bone and joint pain, and persistent or frequent infections.[6]"

Last week Petrov was reported to be ill - it sounds like he's gone in with flu-symptoms, his blood has been tested and they've found it's something far worse. But this is just speculating.

Simply put, we don't know the medical details of Petrov's case. And I find it very strange that someone who is always so meticulous about truth & justice, is willing to make such blanket statements on zero evidence..

I don't see any reason why the top end of football at least cannot screen for every single life-threatening condition. The EPL, UEFA and FIFA can afford to do it and have supported several initiatives to get the general public checked up and tested early. For example, CAF helped to get a major initiative of HIV/AIDS testing at the African Cup of Nations.

Leukaemia is also a well known potentially killer disease, so why shouldn't football's governing body initiate a health programme to screen players and help catch it early, especially if it can be agressive and absolutely need to be caught early? It can afford it, so should it not be obliged to do it and hopefully encourage others to have check ups too. This is not just about Petrov; it's about the health of players, whose employers or governing body can afford to do it and should be obliged to do that, especially on potentially life-threatening diseases.

Edit: There is no mass screening programme or procedure for this.

So you think footballers lives are more important than everybody elses? What a loathsome c**t you are.

Sad as it is on Petrov I hope he will get through this but it seems we are all being shown a heightened of sense sensitivity by the media, do you feel this is good or bad. It is positive for awareness point of view and makes people become more caring of others misfortunes. It also can negatively enforce a two tier healthcare if only the very top stars and rich get treated.

"football" has used the Muamba situation as one long PR exercise, and will probably continue to do so with Petrov. The reality is that these guys didn't get sick from a lack of medical care, they didn't bring it upon themselves by poor diet or letting a homeless guy finger them at the bus stop. It's just dumb luck. There's no George Best or Justin Fashanu parable to learn from here.

Sad news about Petrov - as a professional sportsman he's got one of the best bases (in terms of general health) to recover from this - see Lance Armstrong, Saku Koivu, John Hartson etc. Sure he'll be fine in the long run.

Baser I'm convinced you guys are getting relegated. Birmingham seemed to be well out of trouble at this stage last season... Kimbo will love it though!

Aye, it's certainly not out of realms of possibility with the teams below us starting to show some fight ('cept Wolves).

The only thing I fear about relegation is that we'd be too broke to pay off McLeish or they'd decide he should stay on as he has got a team promoted back up before

I think I said in the other thread, playing in the championship with a homegrown team and a new manager would be bloody lovely compared to a season like this one..

debaser wrote:playing in the championship with a homegrown team and a new manager would be bloody lovely compared to a season like this one..

give it a year and that will be the Liverpool fans new mantra.

you can't possibly be serious? How long are Aliagbonlahor, Alialbrighton, Bannon and co going to hang around when they'll have the likes of Spurs and Liverpool sending them love letters?

Relegation is less likely to bring a sexy streamlined young squad than people expect, you're much more likely to see all your decent U25s picked off leaving you with a front 3 of Warnock/Heskey/Hutton while your new manager bulks out the squad with SPL journeymen.

Nervous conjecture aside you really only need 2 wins to be safe.

Relegation could be good in the long term like it was for Newcastle but really there's nothing positive about it. Fortunately I don't think I'll ever see my team relegated but I would imagine it being a horrible feeling.

Agree with *insert alias here* though; Villa will find a few wins to stay up. Wolves, Wigan and QPR down for me.

Terry Phillips wrote:

debaser wrote:playing in the championship with a homegrown team and a new manager would be bloody lovely compared to a season like this one..

give it a year and that will be the Liverpool fans new mantra.

you can't possibly be serious? How long are Aliagbonlahor, Alialbrighton, Bannon and co going to hang around when they'll have the likes of Spurs and Liverpool sending them love letters?

Relegation is less likely to bring a sexy streamlined young squad than people expect, you're much more likely to see all your decent U25s picked off leaving you with a front 3 of Warnock/Heskey/Hutton while your new manager bulks out the squad with SPL journeymen.

Nervous conjecture aside you really only need 2 wins to be safe.

I only say compared to this season. Obviously I'd prefer to stay up, but if we are just going to have a shit manager and play shit football and be satisfied with finishing 14th, being in the PL is pretty pointless and depressing.

I don't think many of the kids would be snapped up. Agbonlahor maybe, but most of the others aren't really established enough (cf. West Ham with likes of Collison, Tomkins - decent prospects but not so tempting for PL clubs to sign)..We could sell Bent and Zog and then there wouldn't be financial pressure to sell others.

Don't worry Debster, Villa won't relegate. They are too boring for that.

It's just a typical Villa low-average year 13-16 place. In a typical average Villa season they end 8-12. In a high-average Villa season it's 5-7 place.

Mind you, it would be quite an achievement to relegate 2 Birmingham teams in one year time.

Fey wrote:Don't worry Debster, Villa won't relegate. They are too boring for that.

It's just a typical Villa low-average year 13-16 place. In a typical average Villa season they end 8-12. In a high-average Villa season it's 5-7 place.

Mind you, it would be quite an achievement to relegate 2 Birmingham teams in one year time.

You're something else Fey

Hleb confirms what we all knew:

Hleb played under McLeish at Birmingham City during the 2010-11 season while on loan from Barcelona, having struggled to establish himself in the first team at Camp Nou.

The Belarus international described McLeish as "not a bad bloke" but launched a scathing criticism of his tactical preparation during a campaign in which Birmingham were relegated from the Premier League.

"At Birmingham, the team played the long-ball game, practically bypassing midfield," Hleb told Russian website RIA Novosti.

"To get into the game you had to play up front or linger at the back with the defenders to get hold of the ball, which more often than not flew right past me.

"The day before a game he would come onto the pitch and show us what to do: 'You stand here, the goalkeeper will give you the ball here, kick it as far as you can and don't pass to anyone nearby. And we all run.'"

I just know you'll take points of us though. Redknapp always makes hard work of games against McLeish.

http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2012/05/14/aston-villa-alex-mcleish-to-be-sacked-today-97319-30963679/

Please let it be true. The Premier League will be a far better place!

Perhaps Martinez' move to Villa is now on the cards in the end after all? Or can Roberto aim higher?

I'd like to see Martinez try his hand at somewhere like Villa first before he moves higher. He's sill young so he has more than enough time.

There are rumours that Liverpool may be in for him?

I thought Martinez already turned down Villa before Mcleish was hired?