Championship & Football League

Romford Pele wrote:There's been so many examples of team's overachieving in their first season before dropping off alarmingly the next. What's worst is that there are no standout players in the team. And Grant Holt doesn't count.

There's also been examples of teams who overachieve at first (where any kind of survival is overachieving because they are expected to go down) but turn out to have sticking power (Stoke, Fulham, Bolton, Wigan).

Anyway, your problem here is that if you say there's no standout players then really you're saying their 12th place must be down to a standout manager.. By criticizing the quality of the team, you are praising the management skills of the guy you hate

christmasborocooper wrote:I think that bitterness about him leaving Colchester is biting through again..Lambert did extremely well, getting them promoted and keeping them in the league. Coyle got Burnley promoted then fucked off half way through the first season, no? Leaving them to get relegated..

How on earth is that in any way better than what Lambert has done? It's worse if anything..as he then got the team he moved to relegated as well.

Ultimately, Coyle's record is worse than Gary Megson's...

Slightly bitter, yes. But I still maintain it's way too early to assess how good a manager he is. And for the record, I don't see what was so impressive about Norwich last season.

Romford Pele wrote:Slightly bitter, yes. But I still maintain it's way too early to assess how good a manager he is. And for the record, I don't see what was so impressive about Norwich last season.

A team with no standout players managed to finish about Sunderland, Stoke, Villa, Bolton, Blackburn - all faaaaar more established PL clubs with much better squads on paper.

One season

Romford Pele wrote:One season

Indeed, it only took him ONE season to turn a bunch of mediocre players into a midtable topflight club. I agree that is impressive

Romford Pele wrote:One season

You realise when you make this argument you shit on Coyle? Who didn't even manage one season?

Despite a lot of praise Coyle was getting for various pundits I always disliked him following leaving Burnley. In the end - he probably had something good going there and should try to establish them in Premier League before going for bigger things.

Also, it just proves how good manager Tony Pullis is Not only for his 5:0 thrashing of Bolton in FA cup semifinal which started Coyle and Bolton demise

Edgar Davids has signed for Barnet

I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw that last night! Amazing

A fan attacked Chris Kirkland on the pitch tonight apparently.

Fucking idiot. Chris Kirkland took it like a bitch though.

Leeds fans Also chanting support for Jimmy Savile apparently

Dougie Freeman leaves Palace for Bolton, who are several places lower..

Very strange. Must be for money. But he was a Palace legend, played there for years and they give him a chance as manager, and he jumps ship for a declining Bolton

Yep, very surprising.

Bolton actually have a good team, much better than Palace, so not entirely surprising.

But he was doing a such a good job...with the team where he played for so long. I know it's probably money and what not but you'd just think he would've wanted to crack on with his good work.

Probably and he may look back with regret later on, but Bolton are a bigger club with better players. They also have better resources thus leaving better scope for progress in the long run

I think people forget that Bolton had Lee and Holden out for yonks. They could get into a lot of established EPL teams. They would never have got relegated if those two were available

Just be a shame to see another manager do a Coyle.

You're saying it like Coyle's finished

He's no Lambert.

Mick is back

That gif is great, been ages since I've seen it.

1-0 for about 30 minutes until Bikey spastics the place up and gives away a stupid pen.

Unbelievable this, we've battered them but gifted them three goals. Awful.

Tight at the top currently. We're close to automatic spots.

In other news, Henning Berg sacked after 57 days in charge. Great decision to sack Kean when they were about top of the league and bring in someone who's been sacked by his last club for being shit.

Also Notts Forrest sacked their manager for being 1 point off the play offs and only hours after they'd beaten Leeds 4-2.

Apparently the favourites for the Forest job are McLeish, Keane and Hughes, which can't be making Forest's fans too happy. I can't think of a more uninspiring list.

We're on SKY twice in 4 days