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    Post by Murray Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:48 pm

    bluenine wrote:
    fcb wrote:Good open attacking game, very entertaining. Barça showing the usual control of possession, but Milan pressuring well and putting in a lot of energy and effort. They had some great chances towards the end of the half, forcing Barça into some last ditch defending. Pep's 3-4-3 is being exploited well by Milan on the flanks.

    Good game from both sides, 2-3 at injury time... I still think Milan should have started Ambrosini or Nocerino in place of Aquilani.

    I guess this results suits us, I don't want Inter to face barca in the next round. Though to be fair, unless we see some serious improvement, we will lose to almost anyone.

    There's 3 months till the last 16, Inter will probably have another new manager by then.
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    Post by Puro Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:48 pm

    Arsenal with only ONE English player in their starting XI and they won the group already. Arsene Wenger KNOWS!
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    Post by TheCrazy58 Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:49 pm

    Rather spoilt by sloppy defending at the end (inevitable with Djourou and Diaby present on the pitch Grr ) but otherwise we played a good game, holding out and then griding out a win against an initially rampant Dortmund. Impressed with Koscielny's solidity at RB but Arteta and Song MOTM for me, bossing the middle of the pitch in 2H, tirelessly hassling opponents off the ball. And of course that assist from Song for the first goal.

    We avoid Barca in the last 16 cheers
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    Post by Sheffield gunner Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:56 pm

    TheCrazy58 wrote:Rather spoilt by sloppy defending at the end (inevitable with Djourou and Diaby present on the pitch Grr ) but otherwise we played a good game, holding out and then griding out a win against an initially rampant Dortmund. Impressed with Koscielny's solidity at RB but Arteta and Song MOTM for me, bossing the middle of the pitch in 2H, tirelessly hassling opponents off the ball. And of course that assist from Song for the first goal.

    We avoid Barca in the last 16 cheers

    Song was superb. Controlled everything in the middle in the second half. Feel a little bit for Dortmund having lost key players in Bender and Götze early on, but their lack of experience has been evident in this competition.

    Why did Cech draw his hands back from trying to save that header (for Leverkusen's winner). Really bizarre goalkeeping.
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    Post by Kroos Wed Nov 23, 2011 10:02 pm

    BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:where is ozil? this must be hurting him alot

    the leverkusen winner changed this Wink

    i did expect 2 points for tonight, so i am quite happy

    leverkusen has now a good chances to get out of the group as first

    dortmund has still a chance cheers

    they must beat marseille 4:0 king Crying or Very sad
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    Post by Isco Benny Wed Nov 23, 2011 11:01 pm

    Well impressed with Sturridge tonight. Created Chelsea's three best opportunities, through ball to Drogba in the first half was a particular beauty, and if Drogba hadn't been so selfish on 2 occasions literally taking the ball off him he would have had at least two goals to his name.

    Interesting fact: Sturridge has scored more goals for Chelsea this season than Torres, Anelka and Drogba combined. Stats! cheers Ale
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    Post by Puro Wed Nov 23, 2011 11:15 pm

    Laugh Laugh Laugh
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    Post by Ä Wed Nov 23, 2011 11:26 pm

    how was the Saxon prince tonight ? Whistle
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    Post by S4P Wed Nov 23, 2011 11:48 pm

    Puro wrote:Poor Villas-Boas, playing Terry, Lampard and Sturridge in a crucial CL game in Germany. Can't say I feel sorry for him. EVERYONE knows that to be successful, you play with the least amount of English players.

    DalglishGlen Johnson SHOWED THAT TO HIM IN HIS OWN FACE! Poor Villas-Boas! lol!

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    Post by fcb Thu Nov 24, 2011 5:10 am

    Superb game at the San Siro. Boateng's goal was something special - a combination of natural physical ability and instinctive skill that can never be taught.

    Xavi was simply majestic, even apart from the goal. The hallmark of a true world class player/legend - they don't just play "well" in the big games...they raise their game in them ok


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    Bit odd to see Arsenal already qualified as group winners and the other English sides struggling. It's usually the other way around. But Chelsea and the Manchesters are going to fuck up the Round of 16 - either win your groups or just get knocked out Grr

    (would be amusing to see these 3 in the Europa League though...I can just imagine the reaction of the Znipro Zelizegs of this world, who actually try to win the Europa League...they'd probably just want to withdraw from the competition Laughing )

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    Post by messiah Thu Nov 24, 2011 5:39 am

    bayern are no where near that far behind barca/real
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    Post by fcb Thu Nov 24, 2011 5:53 am

    messiah wrote:bayern are no where near that far behind barca/real

    I still think their best chance of winning is if they avoid Barça/Real on the way to the final. Then it's a home game for them, so anything's possible.
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    Post by Pras_tama Thu Nov 24, 2011 6:55 am

    I can see Bayern beat Real but not Barca
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    Post by Kroos Thu Nov 24, 2011 8:01 am

    real, bayern is 50:50 (when all players are fit for bayern)

    barca has still the fear factor for every team (especially in the knock out stage, you can expect that they raise there game there), they have to be beaten first, its a mental und a "we have the 3 best playes in the world" thing, and we dont give you the ball that easily Very Happy


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    Post by Fade out Thu Nov 24, 2011 8:53 am

    BVB showed up Bayern. They are beatable.

    Would fancy meeting you after eliminating one of the English clubs in round of 16.
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    Post by Kroos Thu Nov 24, 2011 9:34 am

    the good old times arround 2000

    Very Happy

    finally both teams up there again, the last decade was not really good for both clubs, but now the future looks bright to success in europe, both teams have plenty of time to reach there peak
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    Post by Ä Thu Nov 24, 2011 11:44 am

    Noah und der Bale wrote:Watching Leverkusen v Chelsea game.

    What on earth has happened to David Luis. He has verged on the pub league tonight, keeps giving away possession and looking positionally dodgy.

    Not a good performance from either side but Chelsea just about edging it.

    Lampard and Ballack showing their age, both have been poor.

    Best players, probably Castro and Sturridge

    lol! Laugh

    bernd

    comparing the Saxon Prince with Flumps

    the cheek

    Laugh Yikes

    I think the Daily Mirror concluded that Chelsea had been missing Ballack's LEADERSHIP

    the German papers, who HATED Ballack until a few weeks ago, made him the MOTM

    and this is what English SKY users have to say

    (note, the USERS are of interest, the SKY hacks just peddle propaganda)

    http://www.skysports.com/football/user_ratings/0,19768,11065_3447137,00.html

    cheers

    and please, bernd, explain to us

    how a Saxon GRANDDAD not much younger than Schumi

    can outplay somebody like Sturridge

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    allez and blut, as always, will remain silent on Ballack

    probably wise under the circumstances

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    Post by Isco Benny Thu Nov 24, 2011 12:12 pm

    Otto,

    Ballack was poor in the first half. The stellar observation you've quoted was made at half time.

    But credit the old fella: he made more of an impression second half, certainly more than that waste of fucking space Frank Lampard,

    but Roy Keane's claims that Ballack was "oustanding" had me laughing out loud.

    I could hear Herr Ballack's knees creaking from where I was sat on the sofa. Maybe it's just me, but having watched Modric and Parker for most of the season playing the kind of quick movement, slick passing football that last night's match was completely devoid of, I personally have come to expect a little bit more from a central midfielder than one who barely breaks a sweat for 60 minutes, walking around the centre circle gesticulating at his team mates (something Flumps has become an expert at as well) and contributing the odd header at set pieces.

    Sure, he began out-Lampard'ing Lampard by drifting into attacking positions in the second half and probably had the most shots of anyone on the pitch,

    but your misty eyed man crush is lost on me. Ballack even admitted after the game that Leverkusen got lucky, claiming a draw was about fair. Those sky users voted for Ballack because he's the only Leverkusen player they have ever heard of Laughing

    But look, I don't want to upset you old plum, and certainly not fall out over a Ball(s)ack. So how about this:

    Ballack is better than Flumps. cheers cheers

    But then that is hardly much of an accolade these days Laugh
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    Post by Allez les rouges Thu Nov 24, 2011 12:19 pm

    Bernd Blush
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    Post by Isco Benny Thu Nov 24, 2011 12:25 pm

    Otto,

    Let's see what the famously neutral Fifa said about the game (http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/clubfootball/news/newsid=1547152.html):

    "Daniel Sturridge, who rose above the general mediocrity, played an inch-perfect through-ball and Drogba rounded Bernd Leno before lashing wildly into the side-netting from a tight angle.

    Chelsea picked up where they had left off and were in front inside three minutes of the restart. Sturridge floated another fabulous ball into Drogba, who brilliantly held off Friedrich before turning and rifling left-footed into the bottom corner for only his second goal of the season"

    Ale

    But of course, all the hype was about Ballack's return game against Chelsea. But stepping away from that, Sturridge was MOTM by some considerable distance and the only player who was capable of making numerous creative, defence splitting passes all night Ale







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    Post by Ä Thu Nov 24, 2011 1:00 pm

    Noah und der Bale wrote: Sturridge was MOTM by some considerable distance Ale


    Laugh

    comparing Sturridge with Ballack is like comparing English Marmalade with Grandma's Homemade JAM

    ffs

    Yikes

    wow

    so a FIFA.com HACK praises a few decent moves by a player

    so WHAT ?! scratch

    I have NO problem with that at all

    if you are impressed by the nature of the OFFICIAL praise though

    let's face it Bernd

    those "English language" FIFA texts are all written by NATIVE speakers, who happen to be English, who happen to be smitten with ENglish propaganda

    tfsma

    of more interest are the SKY users

    most of them will be ENGLISH, ie, all exposed to English media propaganda

    and I fail to understand why they would have to give Ballack an average score of 8.6 , when they could easily go for a 7 or 6

    or, hey

    4.3

    like they handed out to Flumps

    lol!

    it's also a mystery to me what Balle would do so much better than Sturridge in their estimation

    if Sturridge was so BRILLANT and Balle was merely waving his arms and waiting for the odd ball to hit, whilst mostly NOT breaking sweat

    you have A LOT OF EXPLAINING to do, my fine Hungarian Biggrin

    as I said, all those German papers that basically wish DEATH upon Ballack now raving about his game and leadership, should be a give-away that we are witnissing something

    HISTORIC

    just as FAZ, the ideologically PURIST Ballack haters, barely mentioning his name after the game,

    is indicative, that a few DOGMATISTS of the worst kind (we have one or two of them on HERE)

    are and always will be

    "unbelehrbar"

    what worries me about YOU though, my dear bernd

    is that your REPUTATION could suffer

    by association

    and no, I don't mean with allez nodding so enthusiastically in the background

    one cannot choose one's fans , let's face it Whistle

    I mean

    you are more in the tabloid than broadsheet corner these days

    the "Sun" did indeed have Sturridge as the MOTM

    meanwhile, this is what the "Independent" had to say

    ""
    A pace ahead, even his face mask could not conceal Michael Ballack's identity.


    The cocksure strut, the languid, arrogant grace is still unmistakable.

    At 35, Ballack remains the sort of presence his former club so plainly lack
    . ""

    Biggrin

    since I like you, bernd,

    in fact quite a bit

    I will give you the benefit of the doubt

    and assume

    that your loyalty to "SUN"-like thinking merely reflects your loyalty to the decent SUN journalists, who will all "possibly" lose their jobs soon, when everything related to Murdoch will have to close down for LEGAL reasons

    YOU think this is unfair

    and want to give the "decent" Sun journalists, who had nothing to do with Murdoch filth, your unstinting support

    such is your fair play, decency and compassion

    THAT is my spin of the story

    and I am sticking to it

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    Post by Allez les rouges Thu Nov 24, 2011 1:07 pm

    Otto calling anyone else tabloid Laugh

    That article also attributes the winning goal to Arne Friedrich Smile
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    Post by Isco Benny Thu Nov 24, 2011 2:24 pm

    Laugh Brilliant Otto.

    Although it hasn't been lost on me the irony that I'm apparently "tabloid" for rating actual productivity over "a cocksure strut", even though I'm sure the most handsome man in all of Saxony did look very pretty strutting round the pitch whilst everyone else was running Laughing


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    Post by Ä Thu Nov 24, 2011 4:00 pm

    Noah und der Bale wrote:Laugh Brilliant Otto.

    Although it hasn't been lost on me the irony that I'm apparently "tabloid" for rating actual productivity over "a cocksure strut", even though I'm sure the most handsome man in all of Saxony did look very pretty strutting round the pitch whilst everyone else was running Laughing



    Balle hit the woodwork with a header

    produced a sensational overhead-scissor kick

    and had another good chance that was foiled by

    "Cech the Czech"

    (see what I did here ? )

    Cool

    the Independent believes he could have had a hat-trick

    (how does a nice pass by Sturridge compare with that ? )

    meanwhile he was bossing his sissyboy team-mates and driving them to physical endeavors previously not thought possible outside of Fuentes' Spain

    doing ALL of THIS

    he STILL had the composure and genius to

    STRUT

    in a cocksure way

    (many would slouch in a limp-cocked way under those conditions)

    how is THAT not an achievement, me wonders ?

    a day or so prior to the game he also WOKE and SHOOK up his team by criticizing them GOOD

    saying they had it TOO GOOD at Bayer

    luxury everywhere, leading to massive complacency

    he also bemoaned a lack of internal friction and debates

    WITHOUT Balle on the pitch yesterday, the Rhineland chaps would have SNOOZED to death

    so really

    to measure the Saxon's value, you really also have to look at the kind of influence he has on his team-mates

    unfortunately, as Willy Sagnol says

    you need at least TWO of Ballack's/Effe's... kind

    and Bayer only have one

    having said that

    what do you make of Bayer's goalie talent, LENO, bernd ?

    HE is a goaltender I have A LOT of TIME for

    so

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    Post by Allez les rouges Thu Nov 24, 2011 4:26 pm

    Sorry this is not relevant but I just happened on this Smile

    http://www.stupidedia.org/stupi/Jens_Lehmann
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    Post by Isco Benny Thu Nov 24, 2011 4:58 pm

    Otto,

    yes Ballerina did infact hit the woodwork with a header, you get one extra gold star for having watched the match (something that cannot be said about SOME PEOPLE who like to comment on games they've not even bothered watching Whistle),

    however this was from a corner kick, and no one has ever doubted Ballerina's ability in the air. Set pieces are a forte for a player who struts around the pitch as it takes the very minimal amount of effort. Similarly, Ballerina's overhead kick came from a corner, and so was the subsequent shot saved by Cech.

    So, Ballerina is useful at set pieces. Wonderful. So it Peter Crouch Laugh Shame Ballerina couldn't pass urine if he tried.

    Meanwhile, Sturridge was creating chances for his team mates in open play, had a 30 yard run (yes run, not strut) and shot saved by the sausage munching goalkepper,

    was also nailed on through on goal in the second half from a Flumps through ball until Drogba decided to take the ball off him from an offside position. Seeing as a Flump through ball is as rare as Halley's comet, young Daniel would have been within his rights to have slapped Didier in the face (and no doubt felled the big man into a crumpled heap in the process). This then happened AGAIN when Malouda dinked a ball over the dithering Leverkusen defence, and there was Didier drifting infront of a perfectly positioned Sturridge to attempt a Van Basten type volley, which unsurprisingly didn't go in.

    So the only thing that stopped Sturridge from grabbing all the headlines last night was down to his more "illustrious" team mate pulling rank on the young lad. W to the G old plum, I only ever tell it how it is. I'm incapable of speaking anything but the gospel truth, so you really should pay attention so you can impress your REAL friends about the wonderfully accurate tales regaled on here by yours truly Ale

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    Post by Allez les rouges Thu Nov 24, 2011 5:22 pm

    Strutting > > > > > > > running

    Ale

    That is all.
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    Post by bluenine Thu Nov 24, 2011 6:21 pm

    fcb wrote:
    messiah wrote:bayern are no where near that far behind barca/real

    I still think their best chance of winning is if they avoid Barça/Real/Inter on the way to the final. Then it's a home game for them, so anything's possible.

    There, I corrected it for you... Bayern are our bitches Laughing

    We may not be good enough to beat Trabzonsporsporspor, we may not be good enough to reach quarters, but Bayern we will beat Smile
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    Post by Forza Italia!Forza Milan! Thu Nov 24, 2011 8:39 pm

    fcb wrote:Superb game at the San Siro. Boateng's goal was something special - a combination of natural physical ability and instinctive skill that can never be taught.

    Xavi was simply majestic, even apart from the goal. The hallmark of a true world class player/legend - they don't just play "well" in the big games...they raise their game in them ok


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    Bit odd to see Arsenal already qualified as group winners and the other English sides struggling. It's usually the other way around. But Chelsea and the Manchesters are going to fuck up the Round of 16 - either win your groups or just get knocked out Grr

    (would be amusing to see these 3 in the Europa League though...I can just imagine the reaction of the Znipro Zelizegs of this world, who actually try to win the Europa League...they'd probably just want to withdraw from the competition Laughing )

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    I think it's clear now that the likelihood of CL winners this season is:

    1. Barcelona
    2. Real Madrid


    3. Bayern Munich

    4. AC Milan

    5. Manchester United

    I don't think we should be that high. There are a lot of issues with our team, not least Nesta's injuries, no decent left-back to speak of, and a midfield that has only Aquilani as a proper and fairly consistent creator/distributor. Yesterday was a great game, but our defending was horrific, and Barcelona played much more intelligently, exploiting gaps when they showed up--and they showed up far too many times.

    Mexes is still not fit enough, and Yepes and Bonera are not Cl quality. We need a 35-year-old Nesta to stay fit for an entire season, something he couldn't do when he was a sprightly 26. Abate is awesome, does many things well--crossing is not always one of them.

    Van Bommel is always a lunge away from catastrophe, while Seedorf plays well when he wants to because he considers playing at Milan his birthright.

    Of course, in theory, we could play the semi-finals because we have incredible quality up front, but we aren't better than Man U, even now.
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    Post by fcb Thu Nov 24, 2011 8:57 pm

    Yes but you look at the other big teams this season, and Milan's experience should be good enough to make you a threat.

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