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Champions League Semi Finals Thread
Kimbo- Number of posts : 38171
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Re: Champions League Semi Finals Thread
fack we might lose to them
no dortmund player can be suspended for the final
no dortmund player can be suspended for the final
Jaime- Number of posts : 32027
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Re: Champions League Semi Finals Thread
Fair play to Dortmund they kept going for it. But honestly we made it very easy for them. Pepe was a spectator while Lewandowski scored two of his goals, another everyone stops waiting for the offside that never came, and just about the most naive penalty conceded by Xabi Alonso of all people. Dortmund's passing is nice and all but to me it's not more impressive than Real Sociedad. 3-0 at home isn't impossible but it means Jose is going to have to really go for it and that is the thing he hates most of all.
PROGRESS!
PROGRESS!
Hlebagone- Number of posts : 6086
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Re: Champions League Semi Finals Thread
Luis wrote:Jaime wrote:Luis wrote:Hlebagone wrote:Deluded F*ck™ wrote:I dislike Mourinho immensely but the very last thing I expect is for his teams to be out-run and out-muscled. Dortmund are quicker, sharper, stronger to everything.
1 league title in three years. Difficult to call his tenure a success on that evidence. First failure of his managerial career.
2 CL semis when they weren't getting past the last 16 years on end, beating the best team in the world to a title. Not that big a failure really.
It is an unequivocal failure. Florentino sold his soul to the devil bringing Jose and he was brought here for one reason. Win the Champions League.
And it's hard to do that. Before him you were getting spanked in the last 16. Last season he was unlucky not to make the final. Tonight has been a disaster but it was a disaster for Barca too last night. These things happen sometimes. I have no doubt if Mourinho stayed another 5 seasons he'd win one or two European cups and a few titles.
With the team Mourinho has at his disposal, getting to the semi final is par for the course. Compare this team to the one Liverpool dicked on or the 2008 one which came up quickest on a google search. Bit of credit to Mourinho for improving them but how many players from that team would be in Madrid's current team:
1 Iker Casillas
4 Sergio Ramos
5 Fabio Cannavaro
6 Mahamadou Diarra
7 Raúl González
8 Fernando Gago
11 Arjen Robben
14 Guti
16 Gabriel Heinze
17 Ruud van Nistelrooy
22 Miguel Torres
Excluding Casillas and Ramos for obvious reasons, I count Cannavaro, and even that's debatable as he was well past his best. It makes any comparison redundant really.
Pierre Littbarski- Number of posts : 12424
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Re: Champions League Semi Finals Thread
German football really on the up, and its not just at club level - with the likes of Martinez, Ribery, Robben and Lewandowski they'll be a real force in Brazil 2014
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Re: Champions League Semi Finals Thread
Silly Madrid. 3-1 was still doable. But 4-1 against this Dortmund...seems very difficult. I didnt expect Madrid to win, considering they got outplayed in the groupstages by them as well. But to get so humiliated, especially with Barca finally out, is embarrassing.
La Liga so weak or Bundesliga so strong. After the first SF it's already over...and after 12 years we have a German winner
La Liga so weak or Bundesliga so strong. After the first SF it's already over...and after 12 years we have a German winner
ERIK LAMELA- Number of posts : 1552
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Re: Champions League Semi Finals Thread
DOMILIATION!
Fey- Number of posts : 35349
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Re: Champions League Semi Finals Thread
Kroos wrote:fack we might lose to them
no dortmund player can be suspended for the final
Im praying for a Gotze winner, consideing I support them in Germany(together with HSV and Schalke)
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Re: Champions League Semi Finals Thread
Hlebagone wrote:Luis wrote:Jaime wrote:Luis wrote:Hlebagone wrote:Deluded F*ck™ wrote:I dislike Mourinho immensely but the very last thing I expect is for his teams to be out-run and out-muscled. Dortmund are quicker, sharper, stronger to everything.
1 league title in three years. Difficult to call his tenure a success on that evidence. First failure of his managerial career.
2 CL semis when they weren't getting past the last 16 years on end, beating the best team in the world to a title. Not that big a failure really.
It is an unequivocal failure. Florentino sold his soul to the devil bringing Jose and he was brought here for one reason. Win the Champions League.
And it's hard to do that. Before him you were getting spanked in the last 16. Last season he was unlucky not to make the final. Tonight has been a disaster but it was a disaster for Barca too last night. These things happen sometimes. I have no doubt if Mourinho stayed another 5 seasons he'd win one or two European cups and a few titles.
With the team Mourinho has at his disposal, getting to the semi final is par for the course. Compare this team to the one Liverpool dicked on or the 2008 one which came up quickest on a google search. Bit of credit to Mourinho for improving them but how many players from that team would be in Madrid's current team:
1 Iker Casillas
4 Sergio Ramos
5 Fabio Cannavaro
6 Mahamadou Diarra
7 Raúl González
8 Fernando Gago
11 Arjen Robben
14 Guti
16 Gabriel Heinze
17 Ruud van Nistelrooy
22 Miguel Torres
Excluding Casillas and Ramos for obvious reasons, I count Cannavaro, and even that's debatable as he was well past his best. It makes any comparison redundant really.
Guti, Robben and RVN aren't to be sniffed at, nor is Raul, arguably one of the best CL strikers of all time.
You can't just expect him to win a European Cup. Even Sir Alex fails to win a lot of them. It's very difficult to win one, as an Arsenal fan you should know this.
If you want a spectacular failure look at Mancini.
stinger- Number of posts : 6477
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Re: Champions League Semi Finals Thread
I think it's impossible for Real to keep a clean sheet against Borussia, they are way too good of counter attacking team.Jaime wrote:Fair play to Dortmund they kept going for it. But honestly we made it very easy for them. Pepe was a spectator while Lewandowski scored two of his goals, another everyone stops waiting for the offside that never came, and just about the most naive penalty conceded by Xabi Alonso of all people. Dortmund's passing is nice and all but to me it's not more impressive than Real Sociedad. 3-0 at home isn't impossible but it means Jose is going to have to really go for it and that is the thing he hates most of all.
PROGRESS!
Kroos- Number of posts : 9049
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Re: Champions League Semi Finals Thread
ok i admit it
lewa > gomez
lewa > gomez
Cristiano- Number of posts : 2557
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Re: Champions League Semi Finals Thread
Jaime wrote:Fair play to Dortmund they kept going for it. But honestly we made it very easy for them. Pepe was a spectator while Lewandowski scored two of his goals, another everyone stops waiting for the offside that never came, and just about the most naive penalty conceded by Xabi Alonso of all people. Dortmund's passing is nice and all but to me it's not more impressive than Real Sociedad. 3-0 at home isn't impossible but it means Jose is going to have to really go for it and that is the thing he hates most of all.
PROGRESS!
100% agree.
What I didn't understand though is how clumsy we looked, every Dortmund players was running past our players like they were freaking Maradona. Whenever we had the ball the players looked like they were about to lose it, they seemed overwhelmed by the occassion, pressing or atmosphere.
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Jaime- Number of posts : 32027
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Re: Champions League Semi Finals Thread
stinger wrote:I think it's impossible for Real to keep a clean sheet against Borussia, they are way too good of counter attacking team.Jaime wrote:Fair play to Dortmund they kept going for it. But honestly we made it very easy for them. Pepe was a spectator while Lewandowski scored two of his goals, another everyone stops waiting for the offside that never came, and just about the most naive penalty conceded by Xabi Alonso of all people. Dortmund's passing is nice and all but to me it's not more impressive than Real Sociedad. 3-0 at home isn't impossible but it means Jose is going to have to really go for it and that is the thing he hates most of all.
PROGRESS!
They are good on the counter no doubt about it but if they finish like they did against Malaga in la Rosaleda, for example, 3-0 is very possible.
stinger- Number of posts : 6477
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Re: Champions League Semi Finals Thread
Not saying that they will be always as efficient as today, but first match against Malaga was also an aberration. You will have to play high defensive line against them and Borussia will have many chances to attack space behind it. 3:0 is impossible, 4:1 - maybe.Jaime wrote:stinger wrote:I think it's impossible for Real to keep a clean sheet against Borussia, they are way too good of counter attacking team.Jaime wrote:Fair play to Dortmund they kept going for it. But honestly we made it very easy for them. Pepe was a spectator while Lewandowski scored two of his goals, another everyone stops waiting for the offside that never came, and just about the most naive penalty conceded by Xabi Alonso of all people. Dortmund's passing is nice and all but to me it's not more impressive than Real Sociedad. 3-0 at home isn't impossible but it means Jose is going to have to really go for it and that is the thing he hates most of all.
PROGRESS!
They are good on the counter no doubt about it but if they finish like they did against Malaga in la Rosaleda, for example, 3-0 is very possible.
messiah- Number of posts : 3084
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Re: Champions League Semi Finals Thread
Jaime wrote:stinger wrote:I think it's impossible for Real to keep a clean sheet against Borussia, they are way too good of counter attacking team.Jaime wrote:Fair play to Dortmund they kept going for it. But honestly we made it very easy for them. Pepe was a spectator while Lewandowski scored two of his goals, another everyone stops waiting for the offside that never came, and just about the most naive penalty conceded by Xabi Alonso of all people. Dortmund's passing is nice and all but to me it's not more impressive than Real Sociedad. 3-0 at home isn't impossible but it means Jose is going to have to really go for it and that is the thing he hates most of all.
PROGRESS!
They are good on the counter no doubt about it but if they finish like they did against Malaga in la Rosaleda, for example, 3-0 is very possible.
We stand a better chance of turning it around than Madrid,
shazlx- Number of posts : 5564
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Re: Champions League Semi Finals Thread
Your argument is seriously flimsy if you're using super inconsistent Guti and a passed it Raul.Luis wrote:Hlebagone wrote:Luis wrote:Jaime wrote:Luis wrote:Hlebagone wrote:Deluded F*ck™ wrote:I dislike Mourinho immensely but the very last thing I expect is for his teams to be out-run and out-muscled. Dortmund are quicker, sharper, stronger to everything.
1 league title in three years. Difficult to call his tenure a success on that evidence. First failure of his managerial career.
2 CL semis when they weren't getting past the last 16 years on end, beating the best team in the world to a title. Not that big a failure really.
It is an unequivocal failure. Florentino sold his soul to the devil bringing Jose and he was brought here for one reason. Win the Champions League.
And it's hard to do that. Before him you were getting spanked in the last 16. Last season he was unlucky not to make the final. Tonight has been a disaster but it was a disaster for Barca too last night. These things happen sometimes. I have no doubt if Mourinho stayed another 5 seasons he'd win one or two European cups and a few titles.
With the team Mourinho has at his disposal, getting to the semi final is par for the course. Compare this team to the one Liverpool dicked on or the 2008 one which came up quickest on a google search. Bit of credit to Mourinho for improving them but how many players from that team would be in Madrid's current team:
1 Iker Casillas
4 Sergio Ramos
5 Fabio Cannavaro
6 Mahamadou Diarra
7 Raúl González
8 Fernando Gago
11 Arjen Robben
14 Guti
16 Gabriel Heinze
17 Ruud van Nistelrooy
22 Miguel Torres
Excluding Casillas and Ramos for obvious reasons, I count Cannavaro, and even that's debatable as he was well past his best. It makes any comparison redundant really.
Guti, Robben and RVN aren't to be sniffed at, nor is Raul, arguably one of the best CL strikers of all time.
You can't just expect him to win a European Cup. Even Sir Alex fails to win a lot of them. It's very difficult to win one, as an Arsenal fan you should know this.
If you want a spectacular failure look at Mancini.
Madrid only won the league due to Pep fucking up with the 343 experiment and wrecking their well practiced tiki taka by buying Cesc. :p
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Re: Champions League Semi Finals Thread
Cristiano wrote:Jaime wrote:Fair play to Dortmund they kept going for it. But honestly we made it very easy for them. Pepe was a spectator while Lewandowski scored two of his goals, another everyone stops waiting for the offside that never came, and just about the most naive penalty conceded by Xabi Alonso of all people. Dortmund's passing is nice and all but to me it's not more impressive than Real Sociedad. 3-0 at home isn't impossible but it means Jose is going to have to really go for it and that is the thing he hates most of all.
PROGRESS!
100% agree.
What I didn't understand though is how clumsy we looked, every Dortmund players was running past our players like they were freaking Maradona. Whenever we had the ball the players looked like they were about to lose it, they seemed overwhelmed by the occassion, pressing or atmosphere.
There were long spells where both teams, in my opinion, looked equally disjointed but where as Dortmund had a real cutting edge we produced almost nothing in the final third of the pitch. Again a big fail from Ozil and ok he was isolated out on the wing but I would be shocked if he completed more than 30% of his passes, too much dribbling sideways, dispossessed to easily. Really poor from him. Khedira, well, I don't need to say anything more. Modric was ok but I think he wasn't fully fit either.
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Re: Champions League Semi Finals Thread
messiah wrote:Jaime wrote:stinger wrote:I think it's impossible for Real to keep a clean sheet against Borussia, they are way too good of counter attacking team.Jaime wrote:Fair play to Dortmund they kept going for it. But honestly we made it very easy for them. Pepe was a spectator while Lewandowski scored two of his goals, another everyone stops waiting for the offside that never came, and just about the most naive penalty conceded by Xabi Alonso of all people. Dortmund's passing is nice and all but to me it's not more impressive than Real Sociedad. 3-0 at home isn't impossible but it means Jose is going to have to really go for it and that is the thing he hates most of all.
PROGRESS!
They are good on the counter no doubt about it but if they finish like they did against Malaga in la Rosaleda, for example, 3-0 is very possible.
We stand a better chance of turning it around than Madrid,
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Luis wrote:I don't understand. This is the special one's team right?
Special loser more like it.
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Re: Champions League Semi Finals Thread
stinger wrote:Not saying that they will be always as efficient as today, but first match against Malaga was also an aberration. You will have to play high defensive line against them and Borussia will have many chances to attack space behind it. 3:0 is impossible, 4:1 - maybe.Jaime wrote:stinger wrote:I think it's impossible for Real to keep a clean sheet against Borussia, they are way too good of counter attacking team.Jaime wrote:Fair play to Dortmund they kept going for it. But honestly we made it very easy for them. Pepe was a spectator while Lewandowski scored two of his goals, another everyone stops waiting for the offside that never came, and just about the most naive penalty conceded by Xabi Alonso of all people. Dortmund's passing is nice and all but to me it's not more impressive than Real Sociedad. 3-0 at home isn't impossible but it means Jose is going to have to really go for it and that is the thing he hates most of all.
PROGRESS!
They are good on the counter no doubt about it but if they finish like they did against Malaga in la Rosaleda, for example, 3-0 is very possible.
i doubt that you will put pressure on BVB, at least not much
they outclassed you in every area, there is no chance for madrid, your organisation is so weak, i am praying this so long
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Fey wrote:Sickening from Lionel Lewandowski( is he already a Bayern player ?) to score 4 times...now the so called goat did the same against Leverkussen...he does it against Madrid in a semi-final. 8 goals against Madrid ffs! Is La Liga overrated, or Malaga that good!
I feel sorry for Madrid, finally have more % ball possession then their opponent they still lose big time..
But on the other hand...the financial healthy ones are the ones who are gonna play the final, that is a nice thing.
Hahah Kaka, is coming on, didnt knew he still play football.
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So little composure and intelligence it was like a PL with technique! Great fun.Jaime wrote:Cristiano wrote:Jaime wrote:Fair play to Dortmund they kept going for it. But honestly we made it very easy for them. Pepe was a spectator while Lewandowski scored two of his goals, another everyone stops waiting for the offside that never came, and just about the most naive penalty conceded by Xabi Alonso of all people. Dortmund's passing is nice and all but to me it's not more impressive than Real Sociedad. 3-0 at home isn't impossible but it means Jose is going to have to really go for it and that is the thing he hates most of all.
PROGRESS!
100% agree.
What I didn't understand though is how clumsy we looked, every Dortmund players was running past our players like they were freaking Maradona. Whenever we had the ball the players looked like they were about to lose it, they seemed overwhelmed by the occassion, pressing or atmosphere.
There were long spells where both teams, in my opinion, looked equally disjointed but where as Dortmund had a real cutting edge we produced almost nothing in the final third of the pitch. Again a big fail from Ozil and ok he was isolated out on the wing but I would be shocked if he completed more than 30% of his passes, too much dribbling sideways, dispossessed to easily. Really poor from him. Khedira, well, I don't need to say anything more. Modric was ok but I think he wasn't fully fit either.
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Luis wrote:Jaime wrote:Luis wrote:Hlebagone wrote:Deluded F*ck wrote:I dislike Mourinho immensely but the very last thing I expect is for his teams to be out-run and out-muscled. Dortmund are quicker, sharper, stronger to everything.
1 league title in three years. Difficult to call his tenure a success on that evidence. First failure of his managerial career.
2 CL semis when they weren't getting past the last 16 years on end, beating the best team in the world to a title. Not that big a failure really.
It is an unequivocal failure. Florentino sold his soul to the devil bringing Jose and he was brought here for one reason. Win the Champions League.
And it's hard to do that. Before him you were getting spanked in the last 16. Last season he was unlucky not to make the final. Tonight has been a disaster but it was a disaster for Barca too last night. These things happen sometimes. I have no doubt if Mourinho stayed another 5 seasons he'd win one or two European cups and a few titles.
You really do chat some bollocks don't you mate?
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Cristiano wrote:Superior teams. Superior League.
2 teams don't make a league.
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Re: Champions League Semi Finals Thread
shazlx wrote:Your argument is seriously flimsy if you're using super inconsistent Guti and a passed it Raul.Luis wrote:Hlebagone wrote:Luis wrote:Jaime wrote:Luis wrote:Hlebagone wrote:Deluded F*ck™ wrote:I dislike Mourinho immensely but the very last thing I expect is for his teams to be out-run and out-muscled. Dortmund are quicker, sharper, stronger to everything.
1 league title in three years. Difficult to call his tenure a success on that evidence. First failure of his managerial career.
2 CL semis when they weren't getting past the last 16 years on end, beating the best team in the world to a title. Not that big a failure really.
It is an unequivocal failure. Florentino sold his soul to the devil bringing Jose and he was brought here for one reason. Win the Champions League.
And it's hard to do that. Before him you were getting spanked in the last 16. Last season he was unlucky not to make the final. Tonight has been a disaster but it was a disaster for Barca too last night. These things happen sometimes. I have no doubt if Mourinho stayed another 5 seasons he'd win one or two European cups and a few titles.
With the team Mourinho has at his disposal, getting to the semi final is par for the course. Compare this team to the one Liverpool dicked on or the 2008 one which came up quickest on a google search. Bit of credit to Mourinho for improving them but how many players from that team would be in Madrid's current team:
1 Iker Casillas
4 Sergio Ramos
5 Fabio Cannavaro
6 Mahamadou Diarra
7 Raúl González
8 Fernando Gago
11 Arjen Robben
14 Guti
16 Gabriel Heinze
17 Ruud van Nistelrooy
22 Miguel Torres
Excluding Casillas and Ramos for obvious reasons, I count Cannavaro, and even that's debatable as he was well past his best. It makes any comparison redundant really.
Guti, Robben and RVN aren't to be sniffed at, nor is Raul, arguably one of the best CL strikers of all time.
You can't just expect him to win a European Cup. Even Sir Alex fails to win a lot of them. It's very difficult to win one, as an Arsenal fan you should know this.
If you want a spectacular failure look at Mancini.
Madrid only won the league due to Pep fucking up with the 343 experiment and wrecking their well practiced tiki taka by buying Cesc. :p
There's no doubt Rule is one of the greatest CL strikers of all time. Not in 2008 though. RVN was passed his best, and Guti, whilst magical, was inconsistent, as Shazlx notes.
It is undoubtedly difficult to win a CL. But Mourinho was brought in with this very specific mandate. On his own terms, he's a failure. Whilst not a failure to the same level as Mancini terms in the CL, it's a failure
This Madrid team, unless it goes through next week, will have failed to reach a CL final under Mourinho, yet alone win it. What is more, this season they have regressed. Mourinho works in 2/3 year projects, so for madrid to have gone backwards is ample evidence of his failings.
The Arsenal point is fairly redundant. Wenger could have achieved more in the Champions League, but has operated on a fraction of the budget.
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Re: Champions League Semi Finals Thread
So strange from a Mourinho team not to have organisation and structure. Very happy with the result though. Was a piss take that Madrid got regarded as the second best team just because they aren't as good as Barcelona. Well most teams aren't as good as Barcelona :pKroos wrote:stinger wrote:Not saying that they will be always as efficient as today, but first match against Malaga was also an aberration. You will have to play high defensive line against them and Borussia will have many chances to attack space behind it. 3:0 is impossible, 4:1 - maybe.Jaime wrote:stinger wrote:I think it's impossible for Real to keep a clean sheet against Borussia, they are way too good of counter attacking team.Jaime wrote:Fair play to Dortmund they kept going for it. But honestly we made it very easy for them. Pepe was a spectator while Lewandowski scored two of his goals, another everyone stops waiting for the offside that never came, and just about the most naive penalty conceded by Xabi Alonso of all people. Dortmund's passing is nice and all but to me it's not more impressive than Real Sociedad. 3-0 at home isn't impossible but it means Jose is going to have to really go for it and that is the thing he hates most of all.
PROGRESS!
They are good on the counter no doubt about it but if they finish like they did against Malaga in la Rosaleda, for example, 3-0 is very possible.
i doubt that you will put pressure on BVB, at least not much
they outclassed you in every area, there is no chance for madrid, your organisation is so weak, i am praying this so long
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- Post n°327
Re: Champions League Semi Finals Thread
Sergio Busquets wrote:Luis wrote:Jaime wrote:Luis wrote:Hlebagone wrote:Deluded F*ck wrote:I dislike Mourinho immensely but the very last thing I expect is for his teams to be out-run and out-muscled. Dortmund are quicker, sharper, stronger to everything.
1 league title in three years. Difficult to call his tenure a success on that evidence. First failure of his managerial career.
2 CL semis when they weren't getting past the last 16 years on end, beating the best team in the world to a title. Not that big a failure really.
It is an unequivocal failure. Florentino sold his soul to the devil bringing Jose and he was brought here for one reason. Win the Champions League.
And it's hard to do that. Before him you were getting spanked in the last 16. Last season he was unlucky not to make the final. Tonight has been a disaster but it was a disaster for Barca too last night. These things happen sometimes. I have no doubt if Mourinho stayed another 5 seasons he'd win one or two European cups and a few titles.
You really do chat some bollocks don't you mate?
Says the numpty who is arguing Suarez's bite is worse than Defoe's because Defoe's was only 'a nibble'
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- Post n°328
Re: Champions League Semi Finals Thread
Comparing Malagas and Madrids performances against Dortmund shows you how much of a better manager Pelligrini is than Mourinho.
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- Post n°329
Re: Champions League Semi Finals Thread
Luis wrote:Sergio Busquets wrote:Luis wrote:Jaime wrote:Luis wrote:Hlebagone wrote:Deluded F*ck wrote:I dislike Mourinho immensely but the very last thing I expect is for his teams to be out-run and out-muscled. Dortmund are quicker, sharper, stronger to everything.
1 league title in three years. Difficult to call his tenure a success on that evidence. First failure of his managerial career.
2 CL semis when they weren't getting past the last 16 years on end, beating the best team in the world to a title. Not that big a failure really.
It is an unequivocal failure. Florentino sold his soul to the devil bringing Jose and he was brought here for one reason. Win the Champions League.
And it's hard to do that. Before him you were getting spanked in the last 16. Last season he was unlucky not to make the final. Tonight has been a disaster but it was a disaster for Barca too last night. These things happen sometimes. I have no doubt if Mourinho stayed another 5 seasons he'd win one or two European cups and a few titles.
You really do chat some bollocks don't you mate?
Says the numpty who is arguing Suarez's bite is worse than Defoe's because Defoe's was only 'a nibble'
Well you are the only person who thinks Madrid didn't get outplayed by Bayern last year.
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- Post n°330
Re: Champions League Semi Finals Thread
shazlx wrote:So strange from a Mourinho team not to have organisation and structure. Very happy with the result though. Was a piss take that Madrid got regarded as the second best team just because they aren't as good as Barcelona. Well most teams aren't as good as Barcelona :pKroos wrote:stinger wrote:Not saying that they will be always as efficient as today, but first match against Malaga was also an aberration. You will have to play high defensive line against them and Borussia will have many chances to attack space behind it. 3:0 is impossible, 4:1 - maybe.Jaime wrote:stinger wrote:I think it's impossible for Real to keep a clean sheet against Borussia, they are way too good of counter attacking team.Jaime wrote:Fair play to Dortmund they kept going for it. But honestly we made it very easy for them. Pepe was a spectator while Lewandowski scored two of his goals, another everyone stops waiting for the offside that never came, and just about the most naive penalty conceded by Xabi Alonso of all people. Dortmund's passing is nice and all but to me it's not more impressive than Real Sociedad. 3-0 at home isn't impossible but it means Jose is going to have to really go for it and that is the thing he hates most of all.
PROGRESS!
They are good on the counter no doubt about it but if they finish like they did against Malaga in la Rosaleda, for example, 3-0 is very possible.
i doubt that you will put pressure on BVB, at least not much
they outclassed you in every area, there is no chance for madrid, your organisation is so weak, i am praying this so long
mourinho in europe was always defensive football, he is very much overrated as coach, high line, attacking, its much harder to teach
mou is overrated, but still a good coach
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